Proposal: Alex Nedeljkovic to Edmonton

[StIvany4Norris]

A third is fine

They need to clear him out for the younger guys

 

[MessierThanThou]

I mean, Pickard has been as much as we could ask for from a backup this year. I don't think he's the problem necessarily, although if Oiler management is set on Skinner being part of the team in the future, we might have to upgrade on Pickard just as a piece of insurance. Pickard is clearly a backup, and a good one, but he's not a 1B, and it wouldn't be ideal to have him come in to bail out Skinner in the playoffs yet again this year.

As numerous people myself included have pointed out, Skinner and Pickard rank pretty low in GSAx and play relatively poorly given the quality of their team.

I have a soft spot for Pickard, but he was brought in as a third-string goalie and that's what he should really still be. Ned (GSAx 27th - min. 20 games) is performing better than Stu in GSAx (GSAx 35th - min. 20 games) on a much worse team, behind a defense that's even worse now than at the start of the year, and he's actually still somehow stringing together strong performances. It's not like Stu playing behind Nurse-Kulak when they were doing well, Ned is playing behind an aging Letang and Karlsson neglecting all zero defensive awareness, and then Vinny Desharnais and guys slightly above, at, or below his level...

Again, if there's no other goalies, adding Ned and keeping on Pickard as our third string is better than the status quo come playoff time, and his 2.5 cap hit makes it relatively low risk.

There needs to be some kind of goalie insurance in the playoffs anyway given how often Stu implodes and how unproven Pickard is. And our Bakersfield goalies inspire zero confidence right now.

If we can get Gibson at 50% retained, which I hope more than anything else we get, perfect, but it's looking like Vej isn't available, so if we can't get either guy, better to hedge our bets with Ned than do nothing. You just know Stu will collapse as he's done the last two playoffs...and his last game...and the game two games before that...and the game three games before that, and Pickard's GSAx (75th) is even lower than Stu's, which is even more concerning when you realize that Pickard has mostly played the weakest teams all season. And I say this as a fan of Picks who is very grateful that he saved our playoffs in the Vancouver series.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

And it's very obvious that you only included 2022-2023 because that year was the ony year where they had a notable difference

Nedjelkovic is pretty middling, he's a platoon goalie for sure, but saying he's not an upgrade on Pickard is pretty silly. He's a 1B goalie similar to Skinner. Hence why their stats in the last 2 years are extremely similar.

Or another way to put it that was nicely stated above: if Stuart Skinner was still what he was in 2022-2023, the Oilers wouldn't be worried about their goaltending.

You think a swing of 5.3 goals isn't significant? No wonder you guys think Nedeljkovic has any value. In the other Ned to EDM thread a Pens fan wanted more for Ned than the Avs gave up for Blackwood.

Even if we accept the bolded as true, why would we want our goaltending to be in the hands of two guys with gigantic question marks and more poor years than good years? I'm not about to have the wool pulled over my eyes by a nice 8 game stretch.

 

[Empoleon8771]

You think a swing of 5.3 goals isn't significant? No wonder you guys think Nedeljkovic has any value. In the other Ned to EDM thread a Pens fan wanted more for Ned than the Avs gave up for Blackwood.

Where is that number coming from? In the last 2 years, Nedjelkovic has a GSAx of -1.7. Skinner is at +0.3. It's a 2 GSAx difference over 2 seasons of play, that is nothing. They're both middling platoon goalies.

Also you're just literally lying about what Penguins fans are asking for. Every Penguins fan is asking for either a 2nd or 3rd for Nedjelkovic.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Where is that number coming from? In the last 2 years, Nedjelkovic has a GSAx of -1.7. Skinner is at +0.3. It's a 2 GSAx difference over 2 seasons of play, that is nothing. They're both middling platoon goalies.

Also you're just literally lying about what Penguins fans are asking for. Every Penguins fan is asking for either a 2nd or 3rd for Nedjelkovic.

you said 2022-23 was the only year they had a notable difference. It's not, since last year Skinner was +2.0 and Ned was -3.3. That's a big difference. You're wanting to lump them all together because it makes Ned look better, but not 2022-23 because it make him look worse.

I'm not lying.

Ned
Lizotte

2nd
3rd
Pickard
Podkolzin

Proposal: Thread 'EDM - PIT'

Monday at 2:58 PM

Lizotte
Nedeljkovic

for

2026 2nd
2025 3rd
Podkolzin (cap purposes)
Pickard (cap purposes)

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[Empoleon8771]

you said 2022-23 was the only year they had a notable difference. It's not, since last year Skinner was +2.0 and Ned was -3.3. That's a big difference. You're wanting to lump them all together because it makes Ned look better, but not 2022-23 because it make him look worse.

No, I'm not including 2022-2023 because Skinner is blatantly obviously not the caliber of goalie he was in that season. Hence why people are still talking about the Oilers needing goalie help.

Again, they're both middling platoon goalies. You wanting to go back 3 years to when Skinner was actually more than that doesn't change what the two are now.

I'm not lying. The thread was closed, but the ask was:

Ned
Lizotte

2nd
3rd
Pickard
Podkolzin

So you're just conveniently ignoring that Lizotte is in that deal as well?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

No, I'm not including 2022-2023 because Skinner is blatantly obviously not the caliber of goalie he was in that season. Hence why people are still talking about the Oilers needing goalie help.

Again, they're both middling platoon goalies. You wanting to go back 3 years to when Skinner was actually more than that doesn't change what the two are now.



So you're just conveniently ignoring that Lizotte is in that deal as well?

Skinner's currently posting his worst GSAX of his career, and it's still better than Ned has been at any point in the last four years prior to the hot streak he's currently on. Nedeljkovic has posted negative GSAX for the prior four years before this one, check for yourself and you're trying to sell high before he crashes back down to earth. I get it, you're rebuilding and want to extract value wherever you can, but Ned is not the answer here. He's simply not good enough.

"THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN YOU'RE LYING"
*proves it happened*
"YA OKAY WELL..."

Yes, I saw the inclusion of the injury prone fourth liner making almost two million. You understand that Podkolzin has more value to us than he does, right?