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Confirmed with Link: Alex Iafallo, Rasmus Kuapri, Gabe Vilardi + 2024 2nd round pick to Winnipeg for Pierre-Luc Dubois

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Herby said:
So what? That is just prospect adoration. It doesn’t matter, they traded for a 25 year old and gave up a 24 year old as the key piece. Does it matter where each guy was drafted 6 and 7 years ago?

The return to the black hole did not start from this trade, it started with the Danault signing, continued with the VA trade, the Fiala trade and the Gavrikov trade. These moves (and the PLD one) are the types of moves you have to make when you have painted yourself into a corner to try and win in a very small window.

And for the most part all of these black hole trades and signings were largely cheered on here.
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Then maybe don't paint yourself into that corner?
 
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We are literally in cap hell, with no depth upcoming to fill the holes. Blake emptied the cabinet and forgot to buy half the grocery list. The holes are gonna become more and more numerous every year as contracts come up because we can’t develop players to play in the top 6 to save our lives. Blake signs a player to a top 6 contract than shuffles them down to the 3rd and 4th line regularly. Then has to trade 1st round picks or ripening talent to cover his ass on his failed signings.
 
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Herby said:
So what? That is just prospect adoration. It doesn’t matter, they traded for a 25 year old and gave up a 24 year old as the key piece. Does it matter where each guy was drafted 6 and 7 years ago?

The return to the black hole did not start from this trade, it started with the Danault signing, continued with the VA trade, the Fiala trade and the Gavrikov trade. These moves (and the PLD one) are the types of moves you have to make when you have painted yourself into a corner to try and win in a very small window.

And for the most part all of these black hole trades and signings were largely cheered on here.
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Then maybe don't paint yourself into that corner and position?

SaltyElkHunter said:
Uhhhh ?
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Your post makes it sound like the fault of those players. This is ALL on Blake and the incompetent staff he has put in place and has nothing to do with the players.
 
King'sPawn said:
Unreal that Byfield and Kupari are being blamed for the trade, and not the Kings putting every forward in the crockpot because they don't know any other recipes for success.
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I don’t disagree in theory all I’m saying is if they showed some real prowess they would have forced some peoples hands.

They weren’t given a good shot but they didn’t really give someone a reason to believe in them either. Maybe that clarifies things.
 
unicornpig said:
people have gone bat shit insane from this trade.
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tigermask48 said:
Then maybe don't paint yourself into that corner and position?


Your post makes it sound like the fault of those players. This is ALL on Blake and the incompetent staff he has put in place and has nothing to do with the players.
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I said the drafting of those players and development. We draft the wrong guys and then butchered their development.
 
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KingsHockey24 said:
I don't think Kupari failed at all.

If you go back to the day we drafted him it was mentioned he doesn't have much offense to give and will likely end up being a good bottom six forward.

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and if you go back to the draft, byfield was considered a raw prospect that would need time to develop.......
 
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tigermask48 said:
No, the inability of Kings management to properly develop these picks is to blame.
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It’s not all the players or the managements fault.

Yes, Byfield should have been in the NHL like every other forward taken that high. Was it the reason for the awful results thus far? I think a lot of it, yes, but some has to fall on the player too.

Before Turcotte was even under contract with the Kings he had a very disappointing college season that clearly foretold of his offensive struggles to come. Did the Kings do him any favors? No, it was the worst college pull in recent memory and it certainly damaged what ceiling he may have had. But nothing the Kings did or didn’t do was going to make Turcotte a scoring line center, he’s just not skilled enough. Nice character player, Lizotte +, Copp whatever you want to say, but this was going to be a bad pick whether they pulled him early or not.

Either way, whether you blame management 100% like you do, or the players like others or a combo of both (like me) the inability to turn those picks into anything worthwhile through 3 and 4 years certainly contributed to both Danault and PLD being traded for.

Anyone see the video of Blake, the guy is talking up how he needed to get better at C. Just think about it for a second, the guy who drafted C’s in consecutive years with 11, 18, 5, 2 picks between 2017 and 2020 is taking about how he needed to get better at C entering the 2024 season.

Blake should have been fired after they were eliminated in the 1st round.
 
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tigermask48 said:
Then maybe don't paint yourself into that corner?
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Hey, I agree. Go back and check the receipts, I didn’t like the direction they went with those moves. I knew the Danault signing meant the rebuild was over, you don’t sign a C to a 6 year deal for $30+m of you are happy with the C’s you drafted, I was challenged on this but I think I was right on that particular debate.

But now that the rebuild is over and they entered the black hole I am going to judge Blake on the current moves, nothing we can do to change the direction they went in 2021, no matter how much I hated it. The goal since 2021 is to win another cup with 11 and 8, I can say I hated that decision but also say the trade today helps them get closer to that goal (even if it doesn’t make them a likely contender).

I guess the only difference with this trade Vs the other ones is PLD is pretty young and will have a key role after 11 and 8 are gone.
 
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KingsHockey24 said:
At the end of the day we can blame Quinton Byfield for being the reason Vilardi and Kupari were moved.

Had he shown that he could play center at a high level then we would've had no need for PLD.
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Eh, I think Blake was more to blame for consistently bungling development.

We also have to just blame the plain bad luck of drafting Turcotte. Botched development or not, he was a big whiff by virtually every scouting service.
 
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Herby said:
It’s not all the players or the managements fault.

Yes, Byfield should have been in the NHL like every other forward taken that high. Was it the reason for the awful results thus far? I think a lot of it, yes, but some has to fall on the player too.

Before Turcotte was even under contract with the Kings he had a very disappointing college season that clearly foretold of his offensive struggles to come. Did the Kings do him any favors? No, it was the worst college pull in recent memory and it certainly damaged what ceiling he may have had.

Either way, whether you blame management 100% like you do, or the players like others or a combo of both (like me) the inability to turn those picks into anything worthwhile through 3 and 4 years certainly contributed to both Danault and PLD being traded for.

Anyone see the video of Blake, the guy is talking up how he needed to get better at C. Just think about it for a second, the guy who drafted C’s in consecutive years with 11, 18, 5, 2 picks between 2017 and 2020 is taking about how he needed to get better at C entering the 2024 season.

Blake should have been fired after they were eliminated in the 1st round.
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Blake at least realizes he does not have the chops to build an org to pick or develop talent so he's trying to Vegas his way into a contender. And regarding him getting fired.. we all know this is a Lucatocracy.. which is not about another cup unless its incidental - its about having fun which is hiring some buddies and some Frenchies and trying to keep the on ice entertaining.
 
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Sol said:
All valid questions.


He should have traded for Eichel and drafted better. I thought the concept of trading for Eichel was the only true Hail Mary option. I never understood why Eichel had so many detractors on here when there was no one on this team who could hold his jock.

Blake didn’t fix anything. He just gave up Vilardi and signed PLD for 8 years.

I do think byfield is COOKED. Yes. I think bad drafting and lack of action cooked this team too.

Blake is just doing his death throes right now.

I don’t know if you truly know my position. I was always against the direction of this team.

Either rebuild correctly or keep rebuilding until you do. I think keeping Kopitar and Doughty was the biggest mistake this organization ever made. Keeping Todd to run them like quarterbacks rather than mentors was another massive mistake.
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How do you feel about Byfield though?
 
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I mean the really shitty thing is going to be losing ANOTHER middle six forward to make room for a dman and goalie, there goes the depth

I think there's a case to be made Winnipeg is a better team today than they were yesterday.

Im not certain that when the dust actually settles that the Kings will be

That's one part not seeing what you've got in guys like fagemo/kaliyev at top 6, one part weird myopic focus on collecting upper-middle-class non-cost-controlled forwards, one part complete neglect of goaltending pipeline, one part "oops i guess they cant ALL be RHDs," one part putting together an offensive/speed/forechecking team with a coach that wants a passive 1-3-1.

I mean what the f*** are we doing here chasing a top-6 C, yes I get the reasons why, but again that points to the lack of long-term vision and development until you run into a wall and have to burn assets

And please stop calling it prospect worship, again, people are conflating trade VALUE with team needs. We could easily have walked into next year with the same forwards, we can NOT walk into next season with Copley, Portillo, Ingham as literally the only goalies in the system, i can't be the only one seeing this
 
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Reactions are in from the fans who love the moves by Blake and can’t wait for next years playoff disappointment.

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Sol said:
Yeah. This does fall squarely on byfields shoulders. Had he been really good we wouldn’t be getting PLD. However the question for me remains Vilardi>>Byfield. Why didn’t the Kings give up byfield instead if they plan on having Byfield play wing when Vilardi is already a better winger by far
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I bet Byfield was floated and the reason he didnt go was the money wouldnt work. GV was going to take 4M per to keep..Edit: and I wouldve been much happier with that move
 
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