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BwayBshirt
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I know it's been mentioned before, but I am amazed that this has been as great a road team as they are considering the beginning of the season with the 15-game preseason/regular season road trip.
On the contrary lately I had felt the Rangers didn't really have the players to play a dump and chase and grind game cuz you need bigger players for that. A guy like Brassard isn't a world beater in terms of skill but he is above average in terms of skilled compared to the rest of the NHL, so it's not surprising he does pretty well when allowed to hold the puck and make plays. Same with a guy like Zucc, etc.
I've felt the past couple of years that the Rangers were generally more skilled than people gave them credit for, just not top end super star skilled, and I think where Tortorella lost it was buying into his own preaching that the Rangers weren't skilled enough to do anything but get rid of the puck as soon as they got it.
Nope.
But I thought they could and did a lot of other things better than this squad.
I like Vigneault, always so calm. His personality compared to Tortorella is like day and night.
But AV's public comments about JT Miller became a note in my shame book. That's almost as bad as Torts when he told media that Hagelin was useless on the PP.
But AV's public comments about JT Miller became a note in my shame book. That's almost as bad as Torts when he told media that Hagelin was useless on the PP.
They did play puck possession hockey, except it was always grinding it along the walls. That Ranger team won a lot of those battles and that lead to their success.
Philly plays that way this year and have made up a ton of ground after their lottery status start.
I would venture and say that puck possession hockey can be played two ways... through skill and speed and passing, or through mucking it up along the boards.
It really comes down to the type of roster a team has to pull it all off.
They were more of a puck possession team in the regular season but I think they were pretty average in that area still. Ironically, they got worse when they became a better puck possession team. In March they were bleeding goals against but were giving up barely over 20 shots were game. Lundqvist had a horrible month but they were also allowing great chances against. In the playoffs they were a terrible possession team though.
Yeah agreed, but I also think by that time, the rest of the league caught up. The biggest issue with Torts on offense was that his system had a reference point on where the offense was going to start from.
There wasn't a proper zone entry system with that team, even though the horses were there to pull it off. By the time the playoffs rolled around, the Rangers I felt exhaled and the number 1 seed faced the 8,7,6 seed and didn't make the finals.
The Rangers had a chance to take the kill shot against Washington and Ottawa early, but didn't play with a sense of urgency until late in those series, and wore down by the time the conference finals rolled around. I don't blame the Washington series going to 7 because Hunter coached a team into playing a stalemate, but the Ottawa series, and the Devils (which Hank and DZ played poorly) should never have been long series.
The Washington series was a tight checking defensive stalemate that was going to do the distance because of how the two teams played, but the other two should have and could have been a lot shorter.
I think some of you guys.......
Are crazy.
I'm so much more confident going into battle with this team than any of Tort's teams. These guys for the most part show up every night, some lapses but work every night. So many letdowns from game to game with Tort's teams. When we're behind I still feel like we're in the game until the end. I never felt like that under Tort's.
I'm a Tortorella fan but this system suits me just fine. And you know what I don't miss most of all??? Those 5 on 5 power plays that we always had to defend against for a good 5 minutes every game under Tort's
Are crazy.
I'm so much more confident going into battle with this team than any of Tort's teams. These guys for the most part show up every night, some lapses but work every night. So many letdowns from game to game with Tort's teams. When we're behind I still feel like we're in the game until the end. I never felt like that under Tort's.
I'm a Tortorella fan but this system suits me just fine. And you know what I don't miss most of all??? Those 5 on 5 power plays that we always had to defend against for a good 5 minutes every game under Tort's
haveandare
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I'm happy with AV overall, as I've said, but I really don't get his thinking with the third line.
Why not call up a player from the A to play with Richie and MSL? Richie himself drags that line down regardless of who is on the wings. Why completely invalidate the line with a fourth liner up there, which also ruins the fourth line?
Regardless of what anybody thinks of the MSL trade, the guy is here now, and to put him with Richards and Boyle/Moore/Carcillo is to completely misuse an asset, an asset which should be able to provide exactly what the team lacks, which is scoring.
I don't get this thinking at all.
Why not call up a player from the A to play with Richie and MSL? Richie himself drags that line down regardless of who is on the wings. Why completely invalidate the line with a fourth liner up there, which also ruins the fourth line?
Regardless of what anybody thinks of the MSL trade, the guy is here now, and to put him with Richards and Boyle/Moore/Carcillo is to completely misuse an asset, an asset which should be able to provide exactly what the team lacks, which is scoring.
I don't get this thinking at all.
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MSL has been tried out with nearly everyone, and has proceeded to do jack **** with nearly everyone.
This is on MSL, 100%.
Inferno
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he's looked best playing with Hagelin...i just dont think they have a center that works with them (right now)
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I like AV. He's smart, well-spoken, and represents the franchise well. I hope the organization gives him a few years to do his thing. I'm of the opinion that you can't accurately assess a coach's abilities until they've had a couple of off-seasons of roster input.
Face it - Torts' style was never ever going to win a Stanley Cup, he was good at getting the most of a limited roster. Give him better players, and he'll do even less, even if he once won a Cup, Ithink that was a freaky year.
The style we play now offensively is vastly more entertaining (the other one was like watching grass grow), and I love the puck possession style. The Rangers now look like a good team. Just get rid of some high priced dead wood (Richards, primarily, he's a huge liability), bring in some younger, bigger, faster players and we'll be fine.
Overall, I like AV and his style a lot. He's unleashed McD, made Pouliot and Zucc into good players, developed a good 4th line, we're regularly beating teams that used to give us big-time trouble. With his style, we have some trouble with big, physical teams like Boston, but that can be dealt with in the off-season.
The style we play now offensively is vastly more entertaining (the other one was like watching grass grow), and I love the puck possession style. The Rangers now look like a good team. Just get rid of some high priced dead wood (Richards, primarily, he's a huge liability), bring in some younger, bigger, faster players and we'll be fine.
Overall, I like AV and his style a lot. He's unleashed McD, made Pouliot and Zucc into good players, developed a good 4th line, we're regularly beating teams that used to give us big-time trouble. With his style, we have some trouble with big, physical teams like Boston, but that can be dealt with in the off-season.
I agree. It shows that "motivation" is overrated. Torts could yell and scream. AV doesn't have to because his system is more or less consistent in their play. So usually when we lose it looks something akin to last night, we still play our game and our system. Torts teams didn't really have a consistent system, maybe outside of the 11-12 team, so you never knew what team you would see. It didn't have anything to do with motivation like some emotional fans like to think (I was one of them), it had to do to an inferior system that was inherently flawed and inconsistent.
haveandare
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Sure. I'm not saying it's not. I'm saying he's here now, the assets have been spent, he's in the lineup. Why on earth is he being played with Richards and Boyle/Moore/Carcillo/Dorsett? The guy is a scorer. He has the ability to score. Obviously, he's not been doing it enough since getting here, but is that it? We're giving up on the guy? This team needs goals. He's been scoring goals for longer than some of these players have been out of high school. Playing him with Richards and one of those guys is a waste. If he and Nash don't score in the playoffs, the season is over real quick. He needs to be put in a spot where he at least has an outside chance of succeeding.
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I don't disagree that Richards and one of Boyle/Moore/Carcillo aren't exactly ideal linemates, but he has been tried out on several different lines. When he was put with Zucc/Brass, that line was a disaster in their own end. I would like to see Nash-Stepan-MSL tried out again, that line didn't get too much time together.
That being said, MSL has always been a catalyst, a player who drives the offense on his line. He hasn't been that, and I don't think his linemates are to blame.
What about Hagelin-Moore-St.Louis? Both speedy guys who are good on the boards, have enough hockey sense to crash the net and pass to Marty.
I'd love to see this come playoff time:
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-Moore-St.Louis
Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello
Carcillo-Boyle-Dorsett
McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Klein
Stralman-Diaz
I'd love to see this come playoff time:
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-Moore-St.Louis
Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello
Carcillo-Boyle-Dorsett
McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Klein
Stralman-Diaz
What? Seriously?
April fools was like a week ago.
Yeah, I do not quite get that either.
This was utterly predictable. And we have also seen this script before. Bring in an aging star. Aging star does not produce. The discussion of what player needs to be brought in to jump start the aging start starts. The off season is then spent trading for help for said aging star.
As you said, MSL's play is NOT on AV. This is a 38 year old player. Not a green rookie.
But on the topic of the thread, I DO have concerns about AV's style of play. I have never thought that it is conducive to playoff success.
Ail
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No, this was not predictable. A few Rangers fans here just wanted to lament about the "aging star" curse and talk about how it would be like all the rest. MSL was a ****ing PPG before coming here and no reasonable fan would have seen this epic slump coming. Clinging to some superstition about the Rangers and older players with talent does not make this situation predictable. It was not a reasonable position then and it still isn't. Any other fans of any other team in the league would have been collectively crapping their pants over trading for a currently PPG star winger at the deadline. It's irrational and short-sighted to call this predictable.
Also how is AV's style not conducive to playoff success? He took a team to the SCF. Just stop. You don't make any sense.
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