Player Discussion Alain Vigneault Part VI

[Ori]

I rather watch a horror movie @Amazing Kreiderman , and put down the helmet and wave if AV is back next season. It make absolutely no sense, and his system is hot stew with ingredients I usually don`t prefer.

 

[True Blue]

He'll be back next season

Am fearing just that

 

[mrmel329]

He still has to get thru Hank's post season interview.

 

[GregSirico]

Chris Kreider on the Devils: "They're well-coached.''

 

[Siddi]

hahahahaha. He'll be back next season

 

[silverfish]

hahahahaha. He'll be back next season

I sort of agree with this more than I hoped I would.

I'm definitely not as confident as everyone else that he will definitively not be here. There are just so many excuses available to the organization if they want to keep him around but really this guy isn't a good coach. His system is antiquated and completely flawed. He'd be so exposed with bad goaltending.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Nah stick a fork in him, he’s done

 

[Irishguy42]

::thinking::

 

[silverfish]

::thinking::

Doesn't surprise me.

Gonna be AV on the bench with a short-leash to Ruff instead of Arniel next October.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Not sure how Q staying with the Blackhawks affects AV in any way

 

[silverfish]

Not sure how Q staying with the Blackhawks affects AV in any way

One more potential good hire off the board? If the Rangers FO has the available coaches ranked:

Q
AV
Field

Then they keep AV.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

One more potential good hire off the board? If the Rangers FO has the available coaches ranked:

Q
AV
Field

Then they keep AV.

Assuming they have them ranked that way, sure

But he’s being fired, so

Have some faith fish

 

[silverfish]

But he’s being fired

I will believe it when the team account tweets it and then the beat reporters break it 5 minutes later.

 

[TheTakedown]

Someone sounds super unhappy about the team deciding to rebuild.

Well Alain can shove it up his own asshole for all I care. He is a big reason why this team isn't going anywhere

 

[Uncle Dru]

Well Alain can shove it up his own ******* for all I care. He is a big reason why this team isn't going anywhere

Through AV's tenure:

xGA/60 5v5 - 28th (Dead Last excluding 13-14)
xGA/60 4v5 - 13th (12th excluding 13-14)

Huge reason, the pesonnel certainly capable of playing competent defense when they don't have to play his putrid defensive scheme

 

[GregSirico]

I believe AV will be gone next week.

 

[Levitate]

Seriously? That’s not all the offensive system is based on. Yes, it’s designed to score on the rush, but usually they do it by highly coordinated breakouts.

and part of the reason they play the defensive system they do is to facilitate those breakouts, but it's really risky and if you don't have the right players it doesn't work too well (as we've seen). My biggest criticism of AV is that he simply has not bothered to try to modify his coaching system enough to fit the players he has ended up with and that the league has either figured out his system or just generally moved on past it.

These teams haven't been as good as the ones he took over with, but that they give up so many high quality chances game in and game out is a disgrace at this point

e: I mean using the Pens as an example is a bit unfair considering the talent they have to work with, BUT they really have not had terrible impressive defenses but managed to use them to be a dangerous attacking team that's great at getting the puck out quick and back up the ice. The Pens are what the Rangers should have been evolving towards, rather than sticking with what worked in 2014

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Through AV's tenure:

xGA/60 5v5 - 28th (Dead Last excluding 13-14)
xGA/60 4v5 - 13th (12th excluding 13-14)

Huge reason, the pesonnel certainly capable of playing competent defense when they don't have to play his putrid defensive scheme

I thought it was Girardi’s fault ?

 

[GregSirico]

Edit

 

[TheTakedown]

I thought it was Girardi’s fault ?

AVs overusage of girardi certainly was a problem yes

 

[True Blue]

I thought it was Girardi’s fault ?

Wasn't he the worst defenseman in the NHL? Not only that, he was poor his whole career? Just look at his Corsi

 

[Inferno]

Here's my question...we talk about as system all the time..about how he needs certain players to make it happen.

If that's the case...why does he prioritize minutes to defenseman who DON'T fit his system at all?
Bottom 5 coach in the nhl.

I've said it for 3 years now and nothing I've seen has made me change my mind.

 

[Uncle Dru]

Here's my question...we talk about as system all the time..about how he needs certain players to make it happen.

If that's the case...why does he prioritize minutes to defenseman who DON'T fit his system at all?
Bottom 5 coach in the nhl.

I've said it for 3 years now and nothing I've seen has made me change my mind.

I thought this for some time now but at this point, I'm not sure any defenseman can truly succeed in his current system.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Whose the whipping boy next year?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Here's my question...we talk about as system all the time..about how he needs certain players to make it happen.

If that's the case...why does he prioritize minutes to defenseman who DON'T fit his system at all?
Bottom 5 coach in the nhl.

I've said it for 3 years now and nothing I've seen has made me change my mind.

I think this is generous.

If we're being honest, who is worse?