Post-Game Talk: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Leafs up 2-0! Win 4-3 Game 2

[kevsh]

"Wolls-y"

Gotta love hockey players but they honestly come up with the absolute lamest nicknames for teammates.

For 90% of them it's literally add a "-y" to a short last/first name or drop the last syllable and add an "s".

Burns-y
Matt-y
Morg-s
Mitch-y

 

[notbias]

Also shot opportunities which follow an east west pass that crosses the centerline of the crease. Plot points don’t tell the story there.

Okay, I think you should go through and count the shots and screens vs other years, and see which years have lazier shots.

This is your argument, you backed it up by nothing and ignored shot location, so it seems like you'd want to do this.

If you aren't willing to do this, it seems like heatmaps/shot plotting is the best thing you can use.

 

[Stephen]

Nah Florida (and Bob) can be better

Leafs haven’t won a series in less than 6 games in over 60 years.

That’s not true, we swept Ottawa in 2001. Not sure what people are researching these days.

 

[Jojalu]

MoneyPuck most likely.

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Played two of the worst goalies so far.

Stolarz is even, Woll is a slight negative.

It's about time. Usually it's the opposite for the Leafs.

 

[LeafSteel]

Maybe he even plays so well that we start to question whether Stolie should even go back in when healthy. Dare to dream!

I think the Leafs make Florida pay for Bennett’s dumb assery by keeping who the starting goalie will be unknown until the last possible moment.

Ultimately they have to beat whoever is in net, but not knowing for sure whether they will be facing Stolarz or Woll until the last minute isn’t going to be something an anal guy like Maurice is going to like too much.

 

[Gaberd2608]

"Wolls-y"

Gotta love hockey players but they honestly come up with the absolute lamest nicknames for teammates.

For 90% of them it's literally add a "-y" to a short last/first name or drop the last syllable and add an "s".

Burns-y
Matt-y
Morg-s
Mitch-y

I am just happy that we can worry about improving nicknames rather then the team itself lol. Been a minute since we had something positive to focus on in the playoffs besides 50 foot puts.

 

[authentic]

If Stolarz comes back after any Leafs win, or better yet a winning streak, you likely play Woll until you lose. Like if the Leafs were to win the next two and with the break between series Stolarz is healthy, you probably start Woll game 1 and ride the hot hand as long as you can, similar to what EDM is doing. Have to think a Pickard loss goes back to Skinner, but he just keeps winning.

If we sweep this series it might take consecutive losses to pull Woll

 

[authentic]

I am just happy that we can worry about improving nicknames rather then the team itself lol. Been a minute since we had something positive to focus on in the playoffs besides 50 foot puts.

This is like the most calm I’ve ever felt in my life, it’s a strange feeling, almost like pure serenity. Just imagine if we win the Cup

 

[Stephen]

Okay, I think you should go through and count the shots and screens vs other years, and see which years have lazier shots.

This is your argument, you backed it up by nothing and ignored shot location, so it seems like you'd want to do this.

If you aren't willing to do this, it seems like heatmaps/shot plotting is the best thing you can use.

What are you on about?

We’re all just having a civil conversation about how a low shot count makes it difficult for Bob to get on track and get a feel of the game.

Leafs had 20 shots on net and scored 2 of them on cross crease passes. And we’re just talking about how those quality chances don’t get tabulated on a static plot graph.

I don’t have to back anything up. I’m just describing reality.

 

[dangomon]

If we sweep this series it might take consecutive losses to pull Woll

You're probably right, unless we have some weird games. Like if we win both of the next two 6-5 and Woll looks mediocre, you stick with him on a shorter leash. If you win both 2-0 then he gets a run, even with a loss or two.

 

[Stephen]

I think the Leafs make Florida pay for Bennett’s dumb assery by keeping who the starting goalie will be unknown until the last possible moment.

Ultimately they have to beat whoever is in net, but not knowing for sure whether they will be facing Stolarz or Woll until the last minute isn’t going to be something an anal guy like Maurice is going to like too much.

There’s definitely a gamesmanship angle there. In 1999 we played Buffalo vs Hasek and then Roloson. Hasek was hurt and it felt like Roloson would be a cakewalk. But he wasn’t. So there was always the shadow of not being able to beat an “inferior” goalie and the threat of the unbeatable starter coming back.

 

[Tak7]

It's not about Bob. He may play better, but it won't really matter. Florida still won't be able to create separation from the Leafs, not with the style that Florida plays. Again, it may be a different story against a team like Carolina because of how they play, but Florida's style fits the Leafs well.

You're badly under-estimating the cup champs if you don't think they have another gear to find yet.

If you can get a good start on Friday and start sowing more of those seeds of doubt, you hope that the mental, emotional, and physical fatigue of their group going on 2 long cup runs starts to catch up.

But let's not pretend like we've seen the best of the Panthers yet. Especially at home - they can absolutely get into their rhythm and bring wave after wave of assault on you like they did against Tampa.

Stay on your toes. Lots of hockey left yet.

 

[authentic]

You're probably right, unless we have some weird games. Like if we win both of the next two 6-5 and Woll looks mediocre, you stick with him on a shorter leash. If you win both 2-0 then he gets a run, even with a loss or two.

I quite honestly I believe Woll is potentially the better goalie anyway, or at the very least as good as Stolarz. It’s a fun place to be where we finally have two reliable goalies.

 

[notbias]

What are you on about?

We’re all just having a civil conversation about how a low shot count makes it difficult for Bob to get on track and get a feel of the game.

That is what I am discussing, but you are getting upset because it doesn't match what you think.

Leafs had 20 shots on net and scored 2 of them on cross crease passes. And we’re just talking about how those quality chances don’t get tabulated on a static plot graph.

You're claiming they are taking fewer lazy shots this year, I just assumed you had something to back that up since you don't like heatmaps, I assumed you'd have something instead of just disputing anything that may go against your own assumptions.

I don’t have to back anything up. I’m just describing reality.

You are describing what you perceive as reality, I showed you that they are still getting shots from a distance and not generating much from in tight, which likely leads to more lazy shots, but you can ignore it, it's fine.

 

[Stephen]

You're badly under-estimating the cup champs if you don't think they have another gear to find yet.

If you can get a good start on Friday and start sowing more of those seeds of doubt, you hope that the mental, emotional, and physical fatigue of their group going on 2 long cup runs starts to catch up.

But let's not pretend like we've seen the best of the Panthers yet. Especially at home - they can absolutely get into their rhythm and bring wave after wave of assault on you like they did against Tampa.

Stay on your toes. Lots of hockey left yet.

Leafs need to win one period at a time and not even look up at the big picture. Florida gets up 1-0. Tie it up. They get ahead 2-1 in the second? Grab that 3-2 lead. Etc. just don’t look up and try to get through this.

 

[1specter]

What are you on about?

We’re all just having a civil conversation about how a low shot count makes it difficult for Bob to get on track and get a feel of the game.

Leafs had 20 shots on net and scored 2 of them on cross crease passes. And we’re just talking about how those quality chances don’t get tabulated on a static plot graph.

I don’t have to back anything up. I’m just describing reality.

I blocked that poster long ago, they have nothing better to do than get into pedantic arguments that go nowhere, and are purposely obtuse and miserable. Pretty sure it eats at them that Berube and Treliving have put together a successful team.

 

[Stephen]

That is what I am discussing, but you are getting upset because it doesn't match what you think.



You're claiming they are taking fewer lazy shots this year, I just assumed you had something to back that up since you don't like heatmaps, I assumed you'd have something instead of just disputing anything other than your own assumptions.



You are describing what you perceive as reality, I showed you that they are still getting shots from a distance and not generating much from in tight, which likely leads to more lazy shots, but you can ignore it, it's fine.

I said peppering them with confidence building shots at a high volume, with clear sight as Steve Valiquette describes, and credited the team with east west passing across the crease which resulted in 2 goals.

And you presented a plot graph. I don’t even know how you turned a positive conservation about the Leafs play around Bobrovsky into this nonsense.

 

[hockeyes]

Much better being on the defending side late in a game vs running around the perimeter hoping something gets through.

 

[Evilhomer]

You're badly under-estimating the cup champs if you don't think they have another gear to find yet.

If you can get a good start on Friday and start sowing more of those seeds of doubt, you hope that the mental, emotional, and physical fatigue of their group going on 2 long cup runs starts to catch up.

But let's not pretend like we've seen the best of the Panthers yet. Especially at home - they can absolutely get into their rhythm and bring wave after wave of assault on you like they did against Tampa.

Stay on your toes. Lots of hockey left yet.

No, I think you largely have seen the best of the Panthers. Again, I think you are significantly overestimating what they are now. You guys did the same thing in the regular season. Just as the Leafs are not what they were last season, nor are the Panthers. Tkachuk shouldn't even be playing. Bob is fine, but he's having to face so many odd man rushes that there isn't much he can do about it. Yes, they are tough and they can hit, but that's about it at this point. They are not going to come out on Friday and overwhelm the Leafs. It will be another close game that the Leafs will never be out of, and they will ultimately win in likely a very similar fashion to last night.

 

[tuckerintensity]

If the "B version" of Matthews is a defensive beast that wins face offs and still gives you a pt/game...there are worse scenarios.

The version of Matthews we're seeing right now is still a Top 5 centre in this league. People clamouring for his extra gear are missing what he's doing out there. Ya, I want him to dominate a game with a couple of goals or more, but his play in these playoffs is top drawer still, even without other worldly stats (he's still at a point per game, too).

Hopefully, because expecting Nylander to score two every night isn't fair to him.

No one is expecting that of him, or anyone for that matter. It's the playoffs, multiple guys will have to step up at different times to keep winning.

Not to nitpik on Keefe, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that he didn't go into the room between periods. Not sure if that's true? Crazy if it is. I do like Berube's demeanor overall, seems to be all business and the guys seem to respect him. makes a huge difference I think.

I both liked and hated Keefe at the same time. I like his fire and passion, but I certainly think a more business like approach is helping us. I didn't like his inability to in game/in series adjust, and I think Berube is better at that so far too. I think for the most part, he was too green in the NHL for this team, but he's still a very good coach overall with some more things to learn.

All that said, whatever is going on with this group right now (and it could end pretty quickly still), is not just because of one season. They've grown up a ton, they've learned a lot, and they are molded by what they went through pre-Berube (and pre-Keefe). I know that's not a fun or popular sentiment, but it's true. There are tons of fingerprints on this team right now to get them where they are. Hopefully BT and Berube are the final ones needed to get over.

I think the Leafs make Florida pay for Bennett’s dumb assery by keeping who the starting goalie will be unknown until the last possible moment.

The way to make them pay is to keep doing what we did last night. Be physical, be strong, don't quit... and most importantly, win two more games.

 

[The Iceman]

I am not a math major
BUT
if we win 10 of the possible remaining 19 games we are hoisting STANLEY

 

[Ports]

Rielly’s still the weak link, that problem isn’t going anywhere……..

True but at least he’s contributing on the offensive end in the playoffs. He’s definitely not reliable defensively and overpaid for what he brings but having only one player to cover up for rather than three of four has turned their defense into a strength rather than a liability.

 

[notbias]

Rielly’s still the weak link, that problem isn’t going anywhere……..

Besides leading the team in basically every stat for D, sure.

 

[tuckerintensity]

Besides leading the team in basically every stat for D, sure.

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I really like Rielly and think he often gets a raw deal, though yes this has been a down year, and I didn't expect these numbers at all. Damn. Playoff Rielly is a real thing.

 

[Lightsol]

That Holmberg penalty was A) crap by the refs B) Completely idiotic by Holmberg

Wouldn't have happened if the refs had control. But they didn't.