After the Walker Trade

[deadhead]

When they traded Walker, they were sorta giving up on the season, you don't trade your top D-man if you're serious about a PO run. 19 games left in the season.

(5x5 VGA) xGF% 52.48% (10), HDCF 54.67% (8)
(All) GF/60: 2.36, xGF/60: 3.04; GA/60: 3.94, xGA/60: 2.89
They struggled to finish and the goaltending was putrid
But they didn't fold.
The PP actually improved slightly, but the PK fell apart.

Not sure what Michkov is going to bring this season, but if he improves the PP and scores at a solid rate 5x5, this is a playoff team if they get average or better goaltending.

Thing is, Briere isn't trying to make the playoffs.
Didn't add any players other than AHL depth (Eklind, Abols, Richard).
Traded a 1st rd pick into 2025 instead of putting a package together for a center for 2024.
Going with two inexperienced goaltenders.

Think they figure either:
A) young players like Drysdale, Michkov, Brink, Foerster, Ersson step up, they make the playoffs, and are a good young team
B) the team falls short and they have a high 1st and 2nd rd pick to go with their other picks

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[freakydallas13]

But they didn't fold.

They went 5-13 in their last 18 games if the season.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Not trying to make the playoffs, not trying to rebuild.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Not trying to make the playoffs, not trying to rebuild.

Still trying to sell tickets, though.

 

[Hanover Fist]

If Walker is your top D man you’re not going anywhere in the playoffs.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Their first thought was to resign walker.

Another example of the flyers having a poor process and getting lucky.

 

[PDX Flyer]

But immediately signed Seeler to a four year deal. They have no clue or plan. Just stop slurping

 

[Cody Webster]

Great thread. Thanks for the obvious

 

[trostol]

Still trying to sell tickets, though.

funny thing is..if they had gone through with a proper rebuild and planned it out right..they would have, one would think, good exciting prospects which would sell tickets

 

[ybnvs]

When they traded Walker, they were sorta giving up on the season, you don't trade your top D-man if you're serious about a PO run. 19 games left in the season.

No. Just no.

Walker was a pending UFA. It was/is far more logical to believe Walker had every intention of not re-signing with the Flyers. If the Flyers did not trade Walker and instead he walks in free agency, then the fan base would have called for Briere's head on the spot as that would have been the most obvious sign of incompetency. Now we only witness the subtle incompetency, but it is most certainly obvious to anyone who is not so blatantly always twisting propaganda like you do.

Instead, we got a shitty 1st and Johansen. Please spare us of the absolute dogshit argument, "The Flyers have 3 firsts!", when the quality of the 1sts are garbage, including our own (because we know the Flyers won't be picking top 10). Mediocrity.

Furthermore, Walker was not the top defensemen on the team last year. Sanheim and York were and are better than Walker. Always and forever.

I stopped reading the rest of your post.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Weird, another year of "they weren't trying actually" while also refusing to play prospects once they're out. Yet I'm told every year that the post-TDL will be a parade of the future.

Also never mind that even while they were obviously not making it, they did their utmost to re-sign Walker and only traded him when he wouldn't budge down, re-signed Seeler, and spent at the deadline.

 

[deadhead]

5x5 SVA
York - Sanheim: 12:57 CF 47.73%, xGF 49.57%, HDCF 50.20%
Seeler - Walker: 10:11 CF 53.84%, xGF 56.72%, HDCF 55.31%
Zamula - Risto: 8:36 CF 50.79%, xGF 51.43%, HDCF 50.90%
Zamula - Johnson: 11:59 CF 47.00%, xGF 43.54%, HDCF 49.86%

Usage matters, Zamula with Risto was more sheltered than with Johnson, when injuries forced them into a 2nd pair role.
York-Sanheim got the toughest assignments, still Seeler - Walker clearly outplayed them.

Walker didn't look nearly as good in Colorado, where he was paired with Jack Johnson.
They played better in the playoffs, but not nearly as good as Seeler - Walker.
Chemistry and familiarity matter.

As far as getting a late rd first for Walker, reality check, what do you think you'd get for trading TK, late rd 1st, a B+ prospect/2nd rd pick and a third asset. Teams don't trade 1sts without top ten protection these days, and teams trading 1sts tend to be playoff teams that value winning now more than a late 1st rd pick.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Oh so basically "there was nothing else they could have done" after what, the 13th TDL flop in a row?

Considering the results over a long period of time as we've seen teams begin and complete rebuilds in that time, I suspect there is a whole lot they could be doing much better and they do have more choices available than what they've pursued.

 

[deadhead]

Weird, another year of "they weren't trying actually" while also refusing to play prospects once they're out. Yet I'm told every year that the post-TDL will be a parade of the future.

Also never mind that even while they were obviously not making it, they did their utmost to re-sign Walker and only traded him when he wouldn't budge down, re-signed Seeler, and spent at the deadline.

After the TDL, 19 games
Zamula 19
Brink 15
Attard 12
Ginning 9
Lycksell 9
Drysdale 7

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Deadhead is the gift that keeps on giving

 

[ybnvs]

Usage matters,

York-Sanheim got the toughest assignments,

still Seeler - Walker clearly outplayed them.

Usage matters.

Doesn't matter how many times you say it, Seeler-Walker did not outplay York-Sanheim

 

[Beef Invictus]

After the TDL, 19 games
Zamula 19
Brink 15
Attard 12
Ginning 9
Lycksell 9
Drysdale 7

Johnson: 17

 

[blackjackmulligan]

When they traded Walker, they were sorta giving up on the season, you don't trade your top D-man if you're serious about a PO run. 19 games left in the season.

(5x5 VGA) xGF% 52.48% (10), HDCF 54.67% (8)
(All) GF/60: 2.36, xGF/60: 3.04; GA/60: 3.94, xGA/60: 2.89
They struggled to finish and the goaltending was putrid
But they didn't fold.
The PP actually improved slightly, but the PK fell apart.

Not sure what Michkov is going to bring this season, but if he improves the PP and scores at a solid rate 5x5, this is a playoff team if they get average or better goaltending.

Thing is, Briere isn't trying to make the playoffs.
Didn't add any players other than AHL depth (Eklind, Abols, Richard).
Traded a 1st rd pick into 2025 instead of putting a package together for a center for 2024.
Going with two inexperienced goaltenders.

Think they figure either:
A) young players like Drysdale, Michkov, Brink, Foerster, Ersson step up, they make the playoffs, and are a good young team
B) the team falls short and they have a high 1st and 2nd rd pick to go with their other picks

or they tried in vain to re-sign him and couldn't. then they moved him. Nah can't be that simple. They fact you think playoffs wasn't their goal as to why Walker was moved is funny to me.

They are trying to make the playoffs. They said so themselves. They didn't add anyone because they have zero cap space, no top end players want to come to Philly, they refused to trade their winning core. not much room on the stud roster.

They are not a playoff team even with all your caveats.

After the TDL, 19 games
Zamula 19
Brink 15
Attard 12
Ginning 9
Lycksell 9
Drysdale 7

Attard and Ginning played by default. Not choice

 

[Ghosts Beer]

They went 5-13 in their last 18 games if the season.

Here are their goalie save percentages over those 18 games:

Ersson .861
Fedotov .811
Sandstrom .786

The team's metrics were actually good. They didn't quit. Their goaltending fell apart.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Here are their goalie save percentages over those 18 games:

Ersson .861
Fedotov .811
Sandstrom .786

The team's metrics were actually good. They didn't quit. Their goaltending fell apart.

Considering you've repeatedly shown and admitted you have no understanding of the metrics, I have many doubts.

Edit: yeah, their offensive production was average, and so was their defensive metrics. To turn in a good result they'd have needed better than good goaltending, since they weren't actually good anywhere else.

Is this another case where you don't understand how to use stats, or is this a case of lying?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Was overplaying Ersson to the point that he fell apart good coaching? Is it something a rebuilding team would do? Or is it something that a team that was trying their hardest to make the playoffs would do?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Was overplaying Ersson to the point that he fell apart good coaching? Is it something a rebuilding team would do? Or is it something that a team that was trying their hardest to make the playoffs would do?

Sam has shown he can't handle the load. He is nothing more than backup to me. Will he be a good backup remains to be seen.

Here are their goalie save percentages over those 18 games:

Ersson .861
Fedotov .811
Sandstrom .786

The team's metrics were actually good. They didn't quit. Their goaltending fell apart.

Or their goaltending jus isn't that good. We shall see in a few months.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sam has shown he can't handle the load. He is nothing more than backup to me. Will he be a good backup remains to be seen.


Or their goaltending jus isn't that good. We shall see in a few months.

Ersson is only 24 so he can still grow into it with experience. Goalie development is weird.

Doesn't mean he can do it right now though

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Ersson is only 24 so he can still grow into it with experience. Goalie development is weird.

Doesn't mean he can do it right now though

He may sure. Right now, he hasn't shown it. How many years of pro hockey under his belt? He has been less than impressive since coming to NA.

 

[Tripod]

Here are their goalie save percentages over those 18 games:

Ersson .861
Fedotov .811
Sandstrom .786

The team's metrics were actually good. They didn't quit. Their goaltending fell apart.

And are heading into the season with 2 of those guys as our top 2 guys.

And the shitty Johnson on D.