Adjusting playoff scoring for defense faced

[MadLuke]

As talked about in a thread, it would be maybe interesting to adjust playoff scoring over player career around a weighted defensive score of the opponent they face, 6 games against a 3 goals against, 4 games against a 4 goals a game, faced a average 3.4 goals a games defensive team that year.

player nan	seasson	gameplayed	average defense	points	adjustedpts	ppg adj
Gretzky	19801981	9	3.13	21	24.7	2.74
Gretzky	19841985	18	3.68	47	47.0	2.61
Lemieux	19911992	15	3.26	34	38.4	2.56
Crosby	20212022	6	2.49	10	14.8	2.47
Gretzky	19821983	16	3.56	38	39.3	2.46
Gretzky	19871988	19	3.53	43	44.8	2.36
Crosby	20172018	12	2.89	21	26.8	2.23
Lemieux	19901991	23	3.29	44	49.3	2.14
Gretzky	19881989	11	3.46	22	23.4	2.13
Lemieux	19951996	18	2.74	27	36.3	2.02
Gretzky	19961997	15	2.44	20	30.2	2.01
Crosby	20072008	20	2.52	27	39.5	1.98
Crosby	20092010	13	2.74	19	25.5	1.96
Gretzky	19921993	24	3.20	40	46.1	1.92
Gretzky	19811982	5	4.61	12	9.6	1.92
Bossy	19801981	18	3.92	35	32.9	1.83
Crosby	20112012	6	2.74	8	10.7	1.79
Bossy	19791980	16	2.99	23	28.4	1.77
Gretzky	19851986	10	4.01	19	17.5	1.75
Gretzky	19951996	13	2.61	16	22.6	1.74

It seem to give something of the sorts, it is adjusted using Gretkzy 47 pts record weighted average team regular season defense he faced that year.

Only Bossy, Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby as a try-out was made, making it for all players would not be particularly hard just a bit long for the code that fetch the api to run.

 

[MadLuke]

Career

Gretzky has 410 adjusted pts in 208 games for 1.97 adjppg.
Lemieux has 205 in 107 for 1.91 adjppg.
Bossy 169 in 129 for 1.31
Crosby has 285 in 180 for 1.58 adjppg

Player	Adjusted Points	Games	Adj PPG
Gretzky	410	208	1.97
Lemieux	205	107	1.91
Bossy	169	129	1.31
Crosby	285	180	1.58

If we limit Gretzky-Lemieux to their "prime" it would not be easy, Gretzky 1997 is fantastic considering he faced in average a defense that allowed 2.44 goal a game during the regular seasons (if my code worked well)

 

[authentic]

Career

Gretzky has 410 adjusted pts in 208 games for 1.97 adjppg.
Lemieux has 205 in 107 for 1.91 adjppg.
Bossy 169 in 129 for 1.31
Crosby has 285 in 180 for 1.58 adjppg

Player	Adjusted Points	Games	Adj PPG
Gretzky	410	208	1.97
Lemieux	205	107	1.91
Bossy	169	129	1.31
Crosby	285	180	1.58

If we limit Gretzky-Lemieux to their "prime" it would not be easy, Gretzky 1997 is fantastic considering he faced in average a defense that allowed 2.44 goal a game during the regular seasons (if my code worked well)

MadLuke this is precisely what I’ve been looking for. Well done my friend.

Forsberg and McDavid are the next ones I’m most curious about.

 

[MadLuke]

Forsberg and McDavid are the next ones I’m most curious about.

Some that I was curious Howe-and the MTL 06 that never played against themselves, but they look really good in the early result (I had 2,600 of 8,000 something players from the API done this morning), the teams they faced probably tended to have good defense already those years they made it.

Jagr I feel like will be one of the best of all-time playoff goalscorer relative to the defense, so to the DPE players like Forsberg could look good.

I will do the same for goals scoring and I think something like the 6 best playoffs and the best X consecutive series (or games or playoff run, something to limit it to players prime in that way).

 

[authentic]

Some that I was curious Howe-and the MTL 06 that never played against themselves, but they look really good in the early result (I had 2,600 of 8,000 something players from the API done this morning), the teams they faced probably tended to have good defense already those years they made it.

Jagr I feel like will be one of the best of all-time playoff goalscorer relative to the defense, so to the DPE players like Forsberg could look good.

I will do the same for goals scoring and I think something like the 6 best playoffs and the best X consecutive series (or games or playoff run, something to limit it to players prime in that way).

Yes it would be interesting indeed to see how Howe and the rest of the O6 stack up. Can’t wait for the results.

 

[jigglysquishy]

How are you scraping the data? I tried to put together data for how Howe/Habs performed against the common opponents in the regular season. Basically, remove the data skew that Beliveau and Richard never played against Harvey/Plante/H.Richard.

Doing it manually was exhausting so I gave up.

 

[MadLuke]

How are you scraping the data?

Mostly I ask Grok how to do it frankly, first I used the nhl api,
to get all the seasons log of all teams for all seasons in python to create an sqlite database with it.

Next I go fetch the game log of all players ("https://api-web.nhle.com/v1/player/{playerId}/game-log/{season}/{gameType}") in another database, playoff are a gametype '3'.

"I" (the AI translate English of what I want into) make sql request to adjust each series scoring for that series opponent goal against average of that year. I did manually validate a couple of results and the code seem right.

The adjustment was made using the average weighted goals against Gretzky faced when he did set the 47 points record.

 

[MadLuke]

Process done, result are surprising in a way and not at all in another way

Most adjusted playoff points (per games value are the adjusted one):

full_name	games	points	adjpts	ppg	goals	adjgoals	gpg	player_rank
Wayne Gretzky	208	382	409.8	1.97	122	130.9	0.63	1
Mark Messier	236	295	317.8	1.35	109	116.8	0.49	2
Sidney Crosby	180	201	284.9	1.58	71	99.4	0.55	3
Joe Sakic	172	188	274.4	1.6	84	122.4	0.71	4
Jaromir Jagr	208	201	273.8	1.32	78	105.3	0.51	5
Evgeni Malkin	177	180	257.7	1.46	67	95.4	0.54	6
Nicklas Lidstrom	263	183	256.7	0.98	54	75.2	0.29	7
Peter Forsberg	151	171	252.6	1.67	64	93.7	0.62	8
Jean Beliveau	162	176	249.3	1.54	79	111.2	0.69	9
Gordie Howe	157	160	246.9	1.57	68	105.4	0.67	10
Brett Hull	202	190	243.5	1.21	103	129.1	0.64	11
Jari Kurri	200	233	238.6	1.19	106	109	0.55	12
Sergei Fedorov	183	176	237.3	1.3	52	71.2	0.39	13
Nikita Kucherov	147	167	236.9	1.61	53	75.6	0.51	14
Steve Yzerman	196	185	236	1.2	70	88.4	0.45	15
Marian Hossa	205	149	224.2	1.09	52	77.8	0.38	16
Glenn Anderson	225	214	222.4	0.99	93	96.4	0.43	17
Paul Coffey	194	196	213.3	1.1	59	63.5	0.33	18
Ray Bourque	214	180	212.2	0.99	41	47.4	0.22	19
Doug Gilmour	182	188	207.1	1.14	60	65.4	0.36	20
Stan Mikita	155	150	205.7	1.33	59	80	0.52	21
Mario Lemieux	107	172	204.6	1.91	76	89.3	0.83	22
Claude Lemieux	234	158	203.8	0.87	80	100.7	0.43	23
Joe Pavelski	201	143	202.8	1.01	74	104.2	0.52	24
Patrick Kane	143	138	202	1.41	53	77.2	0.54	25
Mark Recchi	189	147	201.8	1.07	61	85.7	0.45	26
Mike Modano	176	146	200.8	1.14	58	77.9	0.44	27
Bryan Trottier	221	182	198.7	0.9	71	77.5	0.35	28
Joe Thornton	187	134	198.6	1.06	32	47.9	0.26	29

 

[MadLuke]

most adjusted career ppg (if you are in the top 250 most playoff points, group)

full_name	ppg
Connor McDavid	2.15
Leon Draisaitl	2
Wayne Gretzky	1.97
Mario Lemieux	1.91
Bobby Orr	1.79
Nathan MacKinnon	1.77
Peter Forsberg	1.67
Mikko Rantanen	1.67
Nikita Kucherov	1.61
Joe Sakic	1.6
Sidney Crosby	1.58
Gordie Howe	1.57
Jean Beliveau	1.54
Bobby Hull	1.5
Cale Makar	1.48
Phil Esposito	1.47
Evgeni Malkin	1.46
Ryan Getzlaf	1.42
Patrick Kane	1.41
Gilbert Perreault	1.41
Brayden Point	1.4
Mark Messier	1.35
Jake Guentzel	1.35
Alex Delvecchio	1.34
Mats Sundin	1.34
Stan Mikita	1.33
Gabriel Landeskog	1.33
Jaromir Jagr	1.32
Daniel Brière	1.32

 

[MadLuke]

most adjusted playoff goals:

full_name	games	goals	adjgoals	gpg
Wayne Gretzky	208	122	130.9	0.63
Brett Hull	202	103	129.1	0.64
Joe Sakic	172	84	122.4	0.71
Mark Messier	236	109	116.8	0.49
Jean Beliveau	162	79	111.2	0.69
Maurice Richard	132	82	111	0.84
Jari Kurri	200	106	109	0.55
Patrick Marleau	195	72	106.7	0.55
Gordie Howe	157	68	105.4	0.67
Jaromir Jagr	208	78	105.3	0.51
Joe Pavelski	201	74	104.2	0.52
Claude Lemieux	234	80	100.7	0.43
Alex Ovechkin	151	72	99.7	0.66
Sidney Crosby	180	71	99.4	0.55
Glenn Anderson	225	93	96.4	0.43
Evgeni Malkin	177	67	95.4	0.54
Peter Forsberg	151	64	93.7	0.62
Mario Lemieux	107	76	89.3	0.83
Mike Bossy	129	85	88.9	0.69
Steve Yzerman	196	70	88.4	0.45
Bobby Hull	119	62	86.1	0.72
Mark Recchi	189	61	85.7	0.45
Phil Esposito	130	61	85.6	0.66
Bernie Geoffrion	132	58	84.5	0.64
Esa Tikkanen	186	72	83.3	0.45
Yvan Cournoyer	147	64	83.2	0.57
Joe Nieuwendyk	158	66	83.1	0.53
Henrik Zetterberg	137	57	81.8	0.6
Brendan Shanahan	184	60	80.4	0.44

 

[MadLuke]

Most adjusted goal per games (if you are in the top 250 points group)

full_name	games	goals	adjgoals	gpg
Maurice Richard	132	82	111	0.84
Mario Lemieux	107	76	89.3	0.83
Jake Guentzel	69	38	53.7	0.78
Leon Draisaitl	74	41	55.4	0.75
Nathan MacKinnon	88	48	65	0.74
Bobby Hull	119	62	86.1	0.72
Joe Sakic	172	84	122.4	0.71
Jean Beliveau	162	79	111.2	0.69
Mike Bossy	129	85	88.9	0.69
Jarome Iginla	81	37	56.1	0.69
Cam Neely	93	57	62.9	0.68
Brayden Point	87	42	58.9	0.68
Gordie Howe	157	68	105.4	0.67
Connor McDavid	74	37	49.8	0.67
Alex Ovechkin	151	72	99.7	0.66
Phil Esposito	130	61	85.6	0.66
Brett Hull	202	103	129.1	0.64
Bernie Geoffrion	132	58	84.5	0.64
Wayne Gretzky	208	122	130.9	0.63
Peter Forsberg	151	64	93.7	0.62
Daniel Alfredsson	124	51	75.6	0.61
Daniel Brière	124	53	75.2	0.61
Martin St. Louis	107	42	64.9	0.61
Mats Sundin	91	38	55.5	0.61
Henrik Zetterberg	137	57	81.8	0.6
Logan Couture	116	48	69.1	0.6
Steve Shutt	99	50	59	0.6
Rod Gilbert	79	34	46.4	0.59
David Pastrnak	90	39	51.9	0.58

My feeling that Forsberg got underrated as a goal scorer based at how much he did it in the playoff for the era he was, match this.

Same for Sakic being underated with Jagr, because of who they followed, would they have had 1-2 best career for a long prime after anyone else than Mario and Wayne I feel like they would have been seen differently.

 

[authentic]

most adjusted career ppg (if you are in the top 250 most playoff points, group)

full_name	ppg
Connor McDavid	2.15
Leon Draisaitl	2
Wayne Gretzky	1.97
Mario Lemieux	1.91
Bobby Orr	1.79
Nathan MacKinnon	1.77
Peter Forsberg	1.67
Mikko Rantanen	1.67
Nikita Kucherov	1.61
Joe Sakic	1.6
Sidney Crosby	1.58
Gordie Howe	1.57
Jean Beliveau	1.54
Bobby Hull	1.5
Cale Makar	1.48
Phil Esposito	1.47
Evgeni Malkin	1.46
Ryan Getzlaf	1.42
Patrick Kane	1.41
Gilbert Perreault	1.41
Brayden Point	1.4
Mark Messier	1.35
Jake Guentzel	1.35
Alex Delvecchio	1.34
Mats Sundin	1.34
Stan Mikita	1.33
Gabriel Landeskog	1.33
Jaromir Jagr	1.32
Daniel Brière	1.32

That is amazing for McDavid. I wonder how that compares to Gretzky and Lemieux up to the same age or number of games played? Same with Jagr as he played a ton of games way past his prime.

 

[MadLuke]

McDavid scoring 42 points against an average 2.63 goals against per games in the 2024 playoffs is by a large amount the most ever.

McDavid 2024: 59 (25 games)
Lemieux 1991: 49 (23 games)
Kucherov 2020: 47 (25 games)
Gretzky 1985: 47 (in just 18 games...)

 

[VanIslander]

4 of the top 6 op stats pegs Gretzky. #1.

That flies.

 

[authentic]

McDavid scoring 42 points against an average 2.63 goals against per games in the 2024 playoffs is by a large amount the most ever.

McDavid 2024: 59 (25 games)
Lemieux 1991: 49 (23 games)
Kucherov 2020: 47 (25 games)
Gretzky 1985: 47 (in just 18 games...)

Per game still Gretzky by quite a margin

 

[daver]

This doesn't really pass the eye test.

I think the focus on "adjusting" things is taken too far. Anything that gets into the hypothetical is always questionable and adds unnecessary noise in discussions.

Is there some statistical anomaly that needs a deeper dive? Is there a player whose relative regular season dominance is way off of their relative playoff performances that can be explained by matchups?

Noone should be shocked that the best playoff run in points and/or PPGs in the DPE and the DPE 2.0 are significantly lower than timeframes before, in between, and after. But throughout all those timeframes, the names at the top of the best playoff runs are completely in line with the list of the best regular season performers (Mario, Jagr, Sakic, Forsberg, Crosby, Malkin, Kane, Kucherov, MacKinnon, Draisaitl, McDavid).

 

[authentic]

This doesn't really pass the eye test.

I think the focus on "adjusting" things is taken too far. Anything that gets into the hypothetical is always questionable and adds unnecessary noise in discussions.

Is there some statistical anomaly that needs a deeper dive? Is there a player whose relative regular season dominance is way off of their relative playoff performances that can be explained by matchups?

Noone should be shocked that the best playoff run in points and/or PPGs in the DPE and the DPE 2.0 are significantly lower than timeframes before, in between, and after. But throughout all those timeframes, the names at the top of the best playoff runs are completely in line with the list of the best regular season performers (Mario, Jagr, Sakic, Forsberg, Crosby, Malkin, Kane, Kucherov, MacKinnon, Draisaitl, McDavid).

I don’t know, look at McDavids gap over the rest of the top scorers like MacKinnon and Kucherov the past 3 playoffs.

 

[authentic]

4 of the top 6 op stats pegs Gretzky. #1.

That flies.

See if that remains once McDavid’s best runs are added, his 2023 playoffs probably ranks fairly high.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Great data - thanks for sharing.

The top adjusted PPG table shows how "beneficial" it can be (in terms of elevating per-game results) for a player not to have a declining phase. Aside from Gretzky, eight of the next nine names are either currently active, or retired young. I find the next group (players with long careers and still very high per-game production - Sakic, Crosby, Howe and Beliveau) to be really impressive.

The other observation is Bobby Hull looks really good by this metric. That's consistent with some of the research that I've done. Hull was a great playoff performer, far better than his reputation suggests.

 

[MadLuke]

I think the focus on "adjusting" things is taken too far.

I think team goal per games is more taken it not far enough then too far, it is pretty much the most simplistic one, the exercise above is just a fancier using team you faced instead of the league wide one we often see and criticized.

That why 06 player do really well to compete for the #1 spot in adjusted goals here, not so much in points because there were less assists per goal at the time. It still does not consider scoring distribution among the roster at all.

Is there a player whose relative regular season dominance is way off of their relative playoff performances that can be explained by matchups?

Over a career, if you made the playoff often vs other player that made the playoff often it would be rare, there is player that have more first round heavy career but depending on the seeding it could mean facing good teams still.

Some player numbers between RS and playoff are significant, Morenz, but small sampler size and without having seen them...

The top adjusted PPG table shows how "beneficial" it can be (in terms of elevating per-game results) for a player not to have a declining phase.

Or stopping to make the playoff young enough (Getzlaf playoff career is almost all before turning 32), if we keep only the retired or active but very old.

full_name	ppg
Wayne Gretzky	1.97
Mario Lemieux	1.91
Bobby Orr	1.79
Peter Forsberg	1.67
Joe Sakic	1.6
Sidney Crosby	1.58
Gordie Howe	1.57
Jean Beliveau	1.54
Bobby Hull	1.5
Phil Esposito	1.47
Evgeni Malkin	1.46
Ryan Getzlaf	1.42
Patrick Kane	1.41
Gilbert Perreault	1.41
Mark Messier	1.35
Alex Delvecchio	1.34
Mats Sundin	1.34
Stan Mikita	1.33
Jaromir Jagr	1.32
Daniel Brière	1.32

Or maybe more interesting, if we look at players best 3 (the Gilmour)-5 (the Lafleur-Bossy)-7 (Gretzky-Beliveau-Crosby) playoff runs, will put the results below.

 

[MadLuke]

Best X playoffs runs in their career (not necessarily consecutive)

Spoiler: Best 3

full_name	games	goals	points	gpg	ppg
Wayne Gretzky	61	46.8	137.9	0.77	2.26
Nikita Kucherov	71	31.9	129.5	0.45	1.82
Connor McDavid	53	34.8	128.8	0.66	2.43
Mario Lemieux	56	50.8	124	0.91	2.21
Evgeni Malkin	69	47.8	120.9	0.69	1.75
Sidney Crosby	68	40.1	120	0.59	1.77
Joe Sakic	60	53.7	117.2	0.89	1.95
Leon Draisaitl	54	32.6	111.1	0.6	2.06
Peter Forsberg	61	40.4	109.3	0.66	1.79
Patrick Kane	64	43	105	0.67	1.64
Mark Messier	64	35.3	103.9	0.55	1.62
Brayden Point	63	49.4	101.2	0.78	1.61
Phil Esposito	47	42.7	100.1	0.91	2.13
Jonathan Toews	64	39	98.6	0.61	1.54
Steve Yzerman	63	27.7	95.2	0.44	1.51
David Krejci	71	36.7	94.8	0.52	1.34
Doug Gilmour	61	29.2	93	0.48	1.52
Henrik Zetterberg	57	43.5	92.6	0.76	1.63
Bobby Orr	45	27.1	92.2	0.6	2.05
Martin St. Louis	66	42	92.1	0.64	1.4
Sergei Fedorov	62	32.2	91.6	0.52	1.48
Logan Couture	62	43.5	91.6	0.7	1.48
Daniel Brière	58	40.6	91.4	0.7	1.58
Mike Modano	69	31.2	90.8	0.45	1.32
Jari Kurri	58	49.4	89.7	0.85	1.55
Mike Bossy	53	46.7	89.4	0.88	1.69
Marian Hossa	60	36.7	89.3	0.61	1.49
Bryan Trottier	58	30.3	89	0.52	1.53
Nathan MacKinnon	45	40.9	87.8	0.91	1.95
Frank Mahovlich	51	36.5	87.4	0.71	1.71

Spoiler: Best 5

full_name	games	goals	points	gpg	ppg
Wayne Gretzky	98	64.5	213.0	0.66	2.17
Nikita Kucherov	114	63.5	191.6	0.56	1.68
Joe Sakic	100	77.6	178.0	0.78	1.78
Sidney Crosby	104	60.6	175.2	0.58	1.68
Evgeni Malkin	107	62.9	172.2	0.59	1.61
Mario Lemieux	85	72.1	169.3	0.85	1.99
Mark Messier	103	60.0	158.4	0.58	1.54
Peter Forsberg	91	57.9	155.7	0.64	1.71
Connor McDavid	70	48.5	153.3	0.69	2.19
Patrick Kane	103	68.8	153.0	0.67	1.49
Phil Esposito	73	67.7	146.7	0.93	2.01
Sergei Fedorov	101	45.3	142.0	0.45	1.41
Jari Kurri	99	72.7	141.3	0.73	1.43
Leon Draisaitl	70	52.6	141.0	0.75	2.01
Jonathan Toews	104	52.8	137.3	0.51	1.32
Marian Hossa	102	45.8	137.0	0.45	1.34
Henrik Zetterberg	89	59.0	133.2	0.66	1.5
Mike Bossy	93	70.7	133.0	0.76	1.43
Mike Modano	98	44.1	132.2	0.45	1.35
Steve Yzerman	93	50.4	131.9	0.54	1.42
Ryan Getzlaf	79	36.9	131.6	0.47	1.67
Daniel Brière	85	56.1	130.5	0.66	1.53
Guy Lafleur	69	58.5	129.8	0.85	1.88
Jaromir Jagr	72	62.4	128.6	0.87	1.79
Doug Gilmour	90	40.0	128.0	0.44	1.42
Gordie Howe	57	50.0	128.0	0.88	2.24
Jean Beliveau	69	55.0	125.5	0.8	1.82
Logan Couture	83	56.8	125.2	0.68	1.51
Bryan Trottier	96	47.2	125.1	0.49	1.3
Brad Richards	109	44.0	124.7	0.4	1.14

Spoiler: Best 7

full_name	games	goals	points	gpg	ppg
Wayne Gretzky	132	91.6	275.7	0.69	2.09
Nikita Kucherov	136	72.7	224.5	0.53	1.65
Sidney Crosby	131	79.4	223.9	0.61	1.71
Joe Sakic	121	92.4	213.5	0.76	1.76
Evgeni Malkin	133	78.6	208.0	0.59	1.56
Mark Messier	137	82.9	204.1	0.6	1.49
Mario Lemieux	101	84.6	196.3	0.84	1.94
Peter Forsberg	113	69.9	192.5	0.62	1.7
Jari Kurri	139	91.3	184.7	0.66	1.33
Marian Hossa	147	57.9	177.7	0.39	1.21
Patrick Kane	119	72.8	174.8	0.61	1.47
Phil Esposito	93	76.0	168.5	0.82	1.81
Sergei Fedorov	118	50.7	166.8	0.43	1.41
Steve Yzerman	124	60.4	164.9	0.49	1.33
Jaromir Jagr	97	72.4	163.5	0.75	1.69
Mike Modano	125	60.1	163.1	0.48	1.3
Gordie Howe	80	70.3	162.5	0.88	2.03
Connor McDavid	74	49.8	158.7	0.67	2.15
Glenn Anderson	136	67.6	158.2	0.5	1.16
Jean Beliveau	89	63.5	158.0	0.71	1.78
Jonathan Toews	120	59.0	157.7	0.49	1.31
Nicklas Lidstrom	143	43.4	157.3	0.3	1.1
Brett Hull	117	85.8	156.9	0.73	1.34
Mike Bossy	113	83.1	154.8	0.73	1.37
Daniel Brière	112	70.9	154.4	0.63	1.38
Mark Recchi	128	61.6	153.1	0.48	1.2
Doug Gilmour	108	53.3	153.0	0.49	1.42
Henrik Zetterberg	102	70.9	152.4	0.69	1.49
Bryan Trottier	122	59.1	151.6	0.48	1.24
Ryan Getzlaf	92	44.9	150.8	0.49	1.64

Best 5 playoff, ppg (among the players in top 100 adjusted points):

full_name	games	goals	points	gpg	ppg
Gordie Howe	57	50	128	0.88	2.24
Connor McDavid	70	48.5	153.3	0.69	2.19
Wayne Gretzky	98	64.5	213	0.66	2.17
Phil Esposito	73	67.7	146.7	0.93	2.01
Leon Draisaitl	70	52.6	141	0.75	2.01
Mario Lemieux	85	72.1	169.3	0.85	1.99
Bernie Geoffrion	51	47.8	100.6	0.94	1.97
Bobby Orr	62	35.1	118.9	0.57	1.92
Maurice Richard	50	60.9	95.8	1.22	1.92
Guy Lafleur	69	58.5	129.8	0.85	1.88
Jean Beliveau	69	55	125.5	0.8	1.82
Nathan MacKinnon	68	54	123.5	0.79	1.82
Jaromir Jagr	72	62.4	128.6	0.87	1.79
Joe Sakic	100	77.6	178	0.78	1.78
Mikko Rantanen	68	36.6	117.3	0.54	1.73
Peter Forsberg	91	57.9	155.7	0.64	1.71
Bobby Hull	67	53.2	114.1	0.79	1.7
Nikita Kucherov	114	63.5	191.6	0.56	1.68
Sidney Crosby	104	60.6	175.2	0.58	1.68
Ryan Getzlaf	79	36.9	131.6	0.47	1.67
Stan Mikita	70	37.5	116.6	0.54	1.67
Johnny Bucyk	67	51.1	111	0.76	1.66
Evgeni Malkin	107	62.9	172.2	0.59	1.61
Frank Mahovlich	75	52.4	118	0.7	1.57
Mark Messier	103	60	158.4	0.58	1.54
Daniel Brière	85	56.1	130.5	0.66	1.53
Cale Makar	66	26.9	100.8	0.41	1.53
Logan Couture	83	56.8	125.2	0.68	1.51
Henrik Zetterberg	89	59	133.2	0.66	1.5
Alex Ovechkin	73	56.8	109.7	0.78	1.5

Hossa offense do look pretty good, 100% of his sens playoff were fully in the dpe and almost all of the Hawks were in the second very low scoring 2010-2017 nhl....

Richard prime playoff goal scoring in the group above is completely all alone in his own tier.

 

[authentic]

Best X playoffs runs in their career (not necessarily consecutive)

Spoiler: Best 3

full_name	games	goals	points	gpg	ppg
Wayne Gretzky	61	46.8	137.9	0.77	2.26
Nikita Kucherov	71	31.9	129.5	0.45	1.82
Connor McDavid	53	34.8	128.8	0.66	2.43
Mario Lemieux	56	50.8	124	0.91	2.21
Evgeni Malkin	69	47.8	120.9	0.69	1.75
Sidney Crosby	68	40.1	120	0.59	1.77
Joe Sakic	60	53.7	117.2	0.89	1.95
Leon Draisaitl	54	32.6	111.1	0.6	2.06
Peter Forsberg	61	40.4	109.3	0.66	1.79
Patrick Kane	64	43	105	0.67	1.64
Mark Messier	64	35.3	103.9	0.55	1.62
Brayden Point	63	49.4	101.2	0.78	1.61
Phil Esposito	47	42.7	100.1	0.91	2.13
Jonathan Toews	64	39	98.6	0.61	1.54
Steve Yzerman	63	27.7	95.2	0.44	1.51
David Krejci	71	36.7	94.8	0.52	1.34
Doug Gilmour	61	29.2	93	0.48	1.52
Henrik Zetterberg	57	43.5	92.6	0.76	1.63
Bobby Orr	45	27.1	92.2	0.6	2.05
Martin St. Louis	66	42	92.1	0.64	1.4
Sergei Fedorov	62	32.2	91.6	0.52	1.48
Logan Couture	62	43.5	91.6	0.7	1.48
Daniel Brière	58	40.6	91.4	0.7	1.58
Mike Modano	69	31.2	90.8	0.45	1.32
Jari Kurri	58	49.4	89.7	0.85	1.55
Mike Bossy	53	46.7	89.4	0.88	1.69
Marian Hossa	60	36.7	89.3	0.61	1.49
Bryan Trottier	58	30.3	89	0.52	1.53
Nathan MacKinnon	45	40.9	87.8	0.91	1.95
Frank Mahovlich	51	36.5	87.4	0.71	1.71

Spoiler: Best 5

full_name	games	goals	points	gpg	ppg
Wayne Gretzky	98	64.5	213.0	0.66	2.17
Nikita Kucherov	114	63.5	191.6	0.56	1.68
Joe Sakic	100	77.6	178.0	0.78	1.78
Sidney Crosby	104	60.6	175.2	0.58	1.68
Evgeni Malkin	107	62.9	172.2	0.59	1.61
Mario Lemieux	85	72.1	169.3	0.85	1.99
Mark Messier	103	60.0	158.4	0.58	1.54
Peter Forsberg	91	57.9	155.7	0.64	1.71
Connor McDavid	70	48.5	153.3	0.69	2.19
Patrick Kane	103	68.8	153.0	0.67	1.49
Phil Esposito	73	67.7	146.7	0.93	2.01
Sergei Fedorov	101	45.3	142.0	0.45	1.41
Jari Kurri	99	72.7	141.3	0.73	1.43
Leon Draisaitl	70	52.6	141.0	0.75	2.01
Jonathan Toews	104	52.8	137.3	0.51	1.32
Marian Hossa	102	45.8	137.0	0.45	1.34
Henrik Zetterberg	89	59.0	133.2	0.66	1.5
Mike Bossy	93	70.7	133.0	0.76	1.43
Mike Modano	98	44.1	132.2	0.45	1.35
Steve Yzerman	93	50.4	131.9	0.54	1.42
Ryan Getzlaf	79	36.9	131.6	0.47	1.67
Daniel Brière	85	56.1	130.5	0.66	1.53
Guy Lafleur	69	58.5	129.8	0.85	1.88
Jaromir Jagr	72	62.4	128.6	0.87	1.79
Doug Gilmour	90	40.0	128.0	0.44	1.42
Gordie Howe	57	50.0	128.0	0.88	2.24
Jean Beliveau	69	55.0	125.5	0.8	1.82
Logan Couture	83	56.8	125.2	0.68	1.51
Bryan Trottier	96	47.2	125.1	0.49	1.3
Brad Richards	109	44.0	124.7	0.4	1.14

Spoiler: Best 7

full_name	games	goals	points	gpg	ppg
Wayne Gretzky	132	91.6	275.7	0.69	2.09
Nikita Kucherov	136	72.7	224.5	0.53	1.65
Sidney Crosby	131	79.4	223.9	0.61	1.71
Joe Sakic	121	92.4	213.5	0.76	1.76
Evgeni Malkin	133	78.6	208.0	0.59	1.56
Mark Messier	137	82.9	204.1	0.6	1.49
Mario Lemieux	101	84.6	196.3	0.84	1.94
Peter Forsberg	113	69.9	192.5	0.62	1.7
Jari Kurri	139	91.3	184.7	0.66	1.33
Marian Hossa	147	57.9	177.7	0.39	1.21
Patrick Kane	119	72.8	174.8	0.61	1.47
Phil Esposito	93	76.0	168.5	0.82	1.81
Sergei Fedorov	118	50.7	166.8	0.43	1.41
Steve Yzerman	124	60.4	164.9	0.49	1.33
Jaromir Jagr	97	72.4	163.5	0.75	1.69
Mike Modano	125	60.1	163.1	0.48	1.3
Gordie Howe	80	70.3	162.5	0.88	2.03
Connor McDavid	74	49.8	158.7	0.67	2.15
Glenn Anderson	136	67.6	158.2	0.5	1.16
Jean Beliveau	89	63.5	158.0	0.71	1.78
Jonathan Toews	120	59.0	157.7	0.49	1.31
Nicklas Lidstrom	143	43.4	157.3	0.3	1.1
Brett Hull	117	85.8	156.9	0.73	1.34
Mike Bossy	113	83.1	154.8	0.73	1.37
Daniel Brière	112	70.9	154.4	0.63	1.38
Mark Recchi	128	61.6	153.1	0.48	1.2
Doug Gilmour	108	53.3	153.0	0.49	1.42
Henrik Zetterberg	102	70.9	152.4	0.69	1.49
Bryan Trottier	122	59.1	151.6	0.48	1.24
Ryan Getzlaf	92	44.9	150.8	0.49	1.64

Best 5 playoff, ppg (among the players in top 100 adjusted points):

full_name	games	goals	points	gpg	ppg
Gordie Howe	57	50	128	0.88	2.24
Connor McDavid	70	48.5	153.3	0.69	2.19
Wayne Gretzky	98	64.5	213	0.66	2.17
Phil Esposito	73	67.7	146.7	0.93	2.01
Leon Draisaitl	70	52.6	141	0.75	2.01
Mario Lemieux	85	72.1	169.3	0.85	1.99
Bernie Geoffrion	51	47.8	100.6	0.94	1.97
Bobby Orr	62	35.1	118.9	0.57	1.92
Maurice Richard	50	60.9	95.8	1.22	1.92
Guy Lafleur	69	58.5	129.8	0.85	1.88
Jean Beliveau	69	55	125.5	0.8	1.82
Nathan MacKinnon	68	54	123.5	0.79	1.82
Jaromir Jagr	72	62.4	128.6	0.87	1.79
Joe Sakic	100	77.6	178	0.78	1.78
Mikko Rantanen	68	36.6	117.3	0.54	1.73
Peter Forsberg	91	57.9	155.7	0.64	1.71
Bobby Hull	67	53.2	114.1	0.79	1.7
Nikita Kucherov	114	63.5	191.6	0.56	1.68
Sidney Crosby	104	60.6	175.2	0.58	1.68
Ryan Getzlaf	79	36.9	131.6	0.47	1.67
Stan Mikita	70	37.5	116.6	0.54	1.67
Johnny Bucyk	67	51.1	111	0.76	1.66
Evgeni Malkin	107	62.9	172.2	0.59	1.61
Frank Mahovlich	75	52.4	118	0.7	1.57
Mark Messier	103	60	158.4	0.58	1.54
Daniel Brière	85	56.1	130.5	0.66	1.53
Cale Makar	66	26.9	100.8	0.41	1.53
Logan Couture	83	56.8	125.2	0.68	1.51
Henrik Zetterberg	89	59	133.2	0.66	1.5

Hossa offense do look pretty good, 100% of his sens playoff were fully in the dpe and almost all of the Hawks were in the second very low scoring 2010-2017 nhl....

Richard prime playoff goal scoring in the group above is completely all alone in his own tier.

I always thought Getzlaf was underrated but didn’t expect him to look this good here. I wonder how far below Ovechkin falls here?

 

[MadLuke]

I wonder how far below Ovechkin falls here?

Exact tie with Zetterberg, added it, Kane right there just below at 1.49

 

[authentic]

Also does anyone want to discuss the elephant in the room of McDavid topping Gretzky here?

I’ll start by adding that beginning in the 2022 playoffs McDavid has basically looked like the most dominant offensive hockey player I’ve ever seen, and his dominance over Kucherov and MacKinnon (Lafleur, Jagr levels according to these adjustments) these past 3 playoffs has been nothing short of extraordinary. This is also before getting into Gretzky playing on a dynasty with a notable ice time advantage.!!