Confirmed with Link: Adin Hill and a 2022 7th to SJS for Josef Korenar and a 2022 2nd

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Extremely disappointed to lose Adin Hill. Wish him the best.

Trying to make peace with the fact this is probably just the beginning of my disappointment with player personnel decisions as it looks like we are going full tank.

Goalies are groomed to be traded. If you can develop them, they're great currency. Kuemper may still get traded.

The org. added 3 (potentially 4) top 100 picks today without really hurting the roster. Good day.

 

[MIGs Dog]

Hill's .915 SV% last 2 seasons is very respectable. He's better than most backups.

 

[Jakey53]

Is this good for us?

I am honestly asking, because you guys were all in favour of trading kuemper (i wasn't, i like concistency in net) and keeping hill.
ANd now we traded hill for this guy and a second round pick.

I wasn't. Back up's are dime a dozen.

 

[Jamieh]

They do in 2022

I could be wrong but I don't see Dubas parting with his 1st 3 years in a row and he traded the last 2 away.

 

[RemoAZ]

Man are we starving for some actual real transactions to talk (argue) about or what? A backup goalie, a vet at the end of his career and a couple second round picks have everyone ready to come to blows. We may need to shut the board down for a day if Armstrong actually makes a significant deal.

 

[rt]

Man are we starving for some actual real transactions to talk (argue) about or what? A backup goalie, a vet at the end of his career and a couple second round picks have everyone ready to come to blows. We may need to shut the board down for a day if Armstrong actually makes a significant deal.

I feel like it was good news day. Lol. I’m happy.

 

[SniperHF]

actually makes a significant deal.

It got pretty nuts around here the day of the Barroway purge.

The Meruelo/Armstrong's purge is more a slow burn

 

[TheLegend]

It got pretty nuts around here the day of the Barroway purge.

The Meruelo/Armstrong's purge is more a slow burn

It's Mission Impossible....

("this team will self destruct in.....")

 

[PainForShane]

Is this good for us?

I am honestly asking, because you guys were all in favour of trading kuemper (i wasn't, i like concistency in net) and keeping hill.
ANd now we traded hill for this guy and a second round pick.

I think our team is much better after the trade, actually. I've been in the minority here for some time, but I think Hill is lucky to have an NHL job at all -- his angles are consistently off and he is very bad at reading the play (two things that he should have already learned prior to AHL level). So far he's gotten away with it because he's big (i.e., takes up more net) and also because teams haven't scouted him. Once teams start scouting him, his honeymoon is over, personally I think he will have a Louis Domingue-type trajectory regardless of whatever contract San Jose decides to give him.

Either way, a 2nd round pick is a great return for a goalie, especially an unproven one in an expansion draft year. Armstrong did really well here, that's not even counting the $2m or so of saved cap space that no one is talking about (Hill is an RFA this year). Great trade in my opinion, can't really ask for more

 

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There's no real cap savings because Hill was only owed a ~900k QO or a short term bridge and the Coyotes will still need a backup after this.

 

[PainForShane]

There's no real cap savings because Hill was only owed a ~900k QO or a short term bridge and the Coyotes will still need a backup after this.

Hill's played enough NHL games I think he would've made $2-3M as a backup, even as an RFA (arbitration would've been on his side given his relatively strong stats). This year Korenar due league minimum, call up him or Prosvetov depending how training camp goes

 

[Jakey53]

I think our team is much better after the trade, actually. I've been in the minority here for some time, but I think Hill is lucky to have an NHL job at all -- his angles are consistently off and he is very bad at reading the play (two things that he should have already learned prior to AHL level). So far he's gotten away with it because he's big (i.e., takes up more net) and also because teams haven't scouted him. Once teams start scouting him, his honeymoon is over, personally I think he will have a Louis Domingue-type trajectory regardless of whatever contract San Jose decides to give him.

Either way, a 2nd round pick is a great return for a goalie, especially an unproven one in an expansion draft year. Armstrong did really well here, that's not even counting the $2m or so of saved cap space that no one is talking about (Hill is an RFA this year). Great trade in my opinion, can't really ask for more

Did you forget about Ladd's cap hit?

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

I don’t see Korenar playing much for us next season. Need a better backup if Kuemper is coming back, need even more if Kuemper gets traded.

I’m still hoping a team gets desperate enough to give us a 1st this year for kuemper at the draft

 

[PainForShane]

Did you forget about Ladd's cap hit?

Not at all. This deal helps set up the Ladd deal because we gain $2m-ish in cap space here which makes losing 4.4m with the Ladd deal not nearly as bad. And so we have gained 3 new 2nds and a 3rd for about a 2.5m cap hit for the next two years -- and also another 2nd round pick if you count the Stepan trade in December.

So that's... 4 new 2nds and 1 new 3rd for a total of Adin Hill, Derek Stepan, and an additional 2.5m cap hit during years we weren't going to compete anyway. Very impressive performance from BA so far

 

[Jakey53]

Not at all. This deal helps set up the Ladd deal because we gain $2m-ish in cap space here which makes losing 4.4m with the Ladd deal not nearly as bad. And so we have gained 3 new 2nds and a 3rd for about a 2.5m cap hit for the next two years -- and also another 2nd round pick if you count the Stepan trade in December.

So that's... 4 new 2nds and 1 new 3rd for a total of Adin Hill, Derek Stepan, and an additional 2.5m cap hit during years we weren't going to compete anyway. Very impressive performance from BA so far

We have to sign a goalie. Who knows who and how much $$$.

 

[PainForShane]

We have to sign a goalie. Who knows who and how much $$$.

No, we don't. We're tanking next year anyway we don't really need to spend money on a backup goalie. See who wins the role out of training camp (should be Prosvetov if he's ready but who knows), if our backup goalie ends up being really bad we can start a different Tucson goalie instead, worst case sign someone league minimum if we have to mid-season.

Assuming we don't trade Kuemper. If we do trade Kuemper, sure we need a goalie. But that's a different discussion with different cap considerations

 

[Jakey53]

No, we don't. We're tanking next year anyway we don't really need to spend money on a backup goalie. See who wins the role out of training camp (should be Prosvetov if he's ready but who knows), if our backup goalie ends up being really bad we can start a different Tucson goalie instead, worst case sign someone league minimum if we have to mid-season.

Assuming we don't trade Kuemper. If we do trade Kuemper, sure we need a goalie. But that's a different discussion with different cap considerations

That might be the Coyotes thinking for Prosvetov, but he didn't look ready last year.

 

[Mangosteen]

Because we are draft geeks do we overvalue draft picks?

 

[Mosby]

Prosvetov should be in Tucson playing 50 games. He's not ready for the NHL yet, especially to ride the bench. His 2020-21 season was too disrupted by recalls, taxi squad, etc. He needs to play.

 

[rt]

Prosvetov should be in Tucson playing 50 games. He's not ready for the NHL yet, especially to ride the bench. His 2020-21 season was too disrupted by recalls, taxi squad, etc. He needs to play.

Exactly. I say fill Glendale with as many Andrew Ladds and Anton Stralmans as we can find (seriously give me more short term dumps for assets!!!) and let all of the young talent (ALL OF IT - Soderstrom, Jenik, Hayton, Maccelli, Prosvetov) spend the entire year in Tucson. I’d also love to spend some money on some top AHL vets. I want to see the Yotes finish bottom five in the NHL and Tucson make the Calder Finals.

 

[rt]

Because we are draft geeks do we overvalue draft picks?

Draft picks are overvalued by winning teams and under values by losing teams.

 

[Mosby]

I wonder if we can sign a few solid vets who won't look terrible for a season and then we can flip them for picks at the deadline. Does it make more sense to do that rather than getting ourselves locked into big contracts?

 

[Grimes]

I wonder if we can sign a few solid vets who won't look terrible for a season and then we can flip them for picks at the deadline. Does it make more sense to do that rather than getting ourselves locked into big contracts?

I wonder if GM's consider which vets they would like to have be there after the rebuild or at the start of the turn around vs ones that can help but will be moved at deadlines for more value. It seems like a pretty obvious strategy, but then you see teams like Vancouver hand out big contracts to players who may not have much value near the end of their term (Beagle/Sutter come to mind). Do GM's approach FA with this strategy but when a players agent comes back and says no to a 2 year deal do they just cave and give them even more term just to "get their guy"?

Guess what I'm getting at is acquiring Ladd with the thought that he may play or Stralman feels a lot different than throwing a 4x4 contract at Oleksiak. I want both of these options, but I much prefer the idea of trading for players that still may have a little bit of value on bad contracts that are close to expiration rather than overpaying for an FA that you hope to move in two years as there is much more risk that the overpayment on the contract turns them into an untradeable asset (again Vancouver with about half the bottom pairs/lines).

 

[rt]

I wonder if we can sign a few solid vets who won't look terrible for a season and then we can flip them for picks at the deadline. Does it make more sense to do that rather than getting ourselves locked into big contracts?

I want to do 1-3 year deals only. And overpay them. Then flip them with retention.

 

[hbk]

NHL radio indicated yesterday that it sounds like Oleksiak is staying in Dallas.