Player Discussion: Adam Lowry

[cbcwpg]

Put him on LTIR until game #1 in the playoffs next season. Use the $3.250 million on someone else. Heck, everyone else is doing it, why not us?

We would have the freshest ready to go 2C / 3C in the league for the playoffs.

Then again, being a small market Canadian team trying to "cheat", the NHL would definitely change the LTIR loopholes.

 

[buggs]

Put him on LTIR until game #1 in the playoffs next season. Use the $3.250 million on someone else. Heck, everyone else is doing it, why not us?

We would have the freshest ready to go 2C / 3C in the league for the playoffs.

Then again, being a small market Canadian team trying to "cheat", the NHL would definitely change the LTIR loopholes.

Either we get to use the “tool” that’s been available to other teams or the loophole closes. Either is a win.

 

[Gm0ney]

I think they're planning on closing that loophole in the next CBA. So for 2026-27 onward...

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think they're planning on closing that loophole in the next CBA. So for 2026-27 onward...

Regardless, I don't think Lowry fits the profile for using that loophole. He isn't as big a difference maker as a Stone or Kucherov. And I think we need him during the regular season. Missing him for 4-6 weeks is one thing. The whole season is another.

 

[roccerfeller]

Can't be too minor if it is a 6 month recovery time. But we have no reason to panic here either.

I expect him to miss ~the 1st mo of next season and to come back strong. Meanwhile Barron gets an opportunity to show that he can move up a level.

Totally fair
Relatively, a scope is minor compared with a more major surgery like a total hip replacement.
Recovery times are based on a variety of factors. I think for pro athletes a lot of hip procedures can take several months at least for other reasons, as there’s the tissue healing component and then progressive rehab etc which is all part of the path towards “full recovery”

But of course depends on what the surgery was. We can guess but like another poster mentioned there’s a few things it could be

 

[UFO]

Such a warrior. Get well soon, Captain!

 

[Eyeseeing]

Found this on line re: recovery timeline for a hip labrum surgery ( if that’s what this is )

Detailed Recovery:

• Initial Walking: You'll likely be able to walk with crutches the same day as your surgery.
  
  
• Crutch Use: Crutches are commonly used for 2-6 weeks, or until you can walk without a limp.
  
  
• Weight Bearing: You'll start with partial weight bearing, gradually increasing as your hip heals.
  
  
• Sedentary Work: You may be able to return to a low-activity job like an office job within 1-2 weeks.
  
  
• Physical Therapy: Physical therapy will help you regain strength, flexibility, and range of motion in your hip.
  
  
• Stitches: Stitches are typically removed around 7-10 days after surgery.
  
  
• Return to Sports: Returning to sports and other high-impact activities usually takes 6 months to a year.

 

[surixon]

It will be interesting to see how how quickly he can get up to speed from this.

It took Seguin a couple of seasons to really get his came back. But we saw double hip surgery on a guy like Karyia really help him regain a lot of his lost speed. He retired that year due to a concussion not due to performing bad due to surgery.

Hopefully he can get his game back quickly.

 

[KingBogo]

Just throwing water on the concept of of a fraudulent LTIR taking place with the Jets. There is no way for it to happen in Manitoba. Not saying there hasn't been LTIR abuses across the league, but I can't see a scenario where it can play out for the Jets. First off, Manitoba like the rest of Canada, has a public health care system. In that system any doctor has a fiduciary duty to their patient over their employer, which means a contracted Jets doctor's first loyalty is to their patient (player) not their employer (Winnipeg Jets hockey team). And while the Winnipeg Jets may contact with doctors to provide medical services, all doctors in Manitoba are governed by the Manitoba College of Physicians and Surgeons, not the employer that contracts for their services. So there is no legal way for the Jets hockey team to dictate a LTIR situation.

Adding to that The Jets contact with some of the most prestigious doctors in Manitoba, all of which have practices that expand far beyond their contracted work with the Jets.

Their Medical Director Peter MacDonald is one of the most noted sports doctors in Manitoba, whose practice goes far beyond his contracted work with the Jets.

Academic Rank: Professor

Positions Held:

• Head, Section of Orthopaedic Surgery, University of Manitoba
• Gibson Chair of Orthopaedic Surgery and Research Regional Leader, Section of Orthopaedic Surgery
• WRHA Surgery Program Medical Director, Department of Surgery
• Pan Am Clinic Chief Research & Innovation Officer, Pan Am Clinic Foundation

Special Positions and Invitations:

• Head Physician, Winnipeg Jets, National Hockey League
• Head Orthopaedic Surgeon, Winnipeg Blue Bombers, Canadian Football League
• Member, Editorial Board, Clinical Journal of Sports Medicine
• Past-President, Canadian Orthopaedic Association
• Reviewer, American Journal of Sports Medicine
• Reviewer, Journal of Knee Surgery, Sports Traumatology, Arthroscopy

On top of this one of his areas of specialty is medical ethics which he teaches at the U of M.

So please explain how the Winnipeg Jets can override all of this to fraudulently ignore LTIR rules.

 

[FonRiesen]

Devil's Advocate: It is not an exact science in regards to when someone is ready to return to regular work (as much as insurance companies would like to speed up the process). The subjective experience of the patient is one factor in recovery, and a doctor or rehab professional relies on a certain amount of self-reporting from the patient to make decisions. Recovery times are complex and sometimes can be unpredictable. In hindsight, Ehlers came back too soon and reinjured himself (may have had just that extra bit of resilience if he had delayed another game and wouldn't have had to miss as many playoff games later).

Usually a player is pushing to play sooner than they should (most are conditioned to push through pain even when it affects their long term health - a certain amount is necessary for elite performance, but it can be taken too far), and a medical professional has to push for patience. I'm guessing Stone in Vegas simply didn't push to come back sooner - and his medical professional was conservative and may have reduced long term consequences by erring on the safe side. It "just happened" to align perfectly with the playoffs, but because there are always windows you cannot really prove that he should have definitely returned 1 week sooner.

This would all be moot if the NHL simply had a prorated cap requirement for the active roster in each game in the playoffs...

 

[Whileee]

Yup. The problem remains at 2C.

Jets ran Lowry and Namestnikov at the 2a and 2b spots and won the President's trophy with 116 points. Barron is most likely to slot into Lowry's spot in the regular season. I think they will take a step back but should be okay for the regular season. They would still like to beef up the 2C position for the playoffs, I think.

 

[Al Camino]

Perhaps they may want to rethink that extension until they see how he comes back.

 

[DRW204]

Lowry finishes 10th in Selke


he'll likely never put the offensive totals to go along with the defense (it's a 2-way award) to really ever get up there as a finalist.

 

[voyageur]

Lowry finishes 10th in Selke


he'll likely never put the offensive totals to go along with the defense (it's a 2-way award) to really ever get up there as a finalist.

There's always going to be a Toronto guy ahead of him...last year it was Mathews, Selke is a top 6 forward's trophy. It's not a Guy Carbonneau trophy anymore. At least he's recognized as the Jets best defensive forward. He's always had a Matthias, Armia, Tanev, Appleton type forward on his wing, speed but no finish, so it's hard to say if there could be more offense with more talent. Seems like he holds his own with top 6 matchups.

I don't expect the big man to come back faster, with age and injury, at some point Morgan Barron covering more ice should look like a 3C option.

 

[surixon]

Jets ran Lowry and Namestnikov at the 2a and 2b spots and won the President's trophy with 116 points. Barron is most likely to slot into Lowry's spot in the regular season. I think they will take a step back but should be okay for the regular season. They would still like to beef up the 2C position for the playoffs, I think.

My big issue with that line of thinking is he was able to handle 2C with two wingers carrying the entire offensive load on that line. If Fly leaves then we are counting on Cole being able to carry all the offense on that line as Namestnikov isn't capable of delivering top 6 offense on his own.

I feel without Fly Namestnikov will no longer be adequate in that role unless they somehow replace Flys offensive contributions.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Jets ran Lowry and Namestnikov at the 2a and 2b spots and won the President's trophy with 116 points. Barron is most likely to slot into Lowry's spot in the regular season. I think they will take a step back but should be okay for the regular season. They would still like to beef up the 2C position for the playoffs, I think.

I expect, and hope, 2C is a priority. Namestnikov has done a great job trying to fill in at 2C, but he clearly cannot be 2C on a contending team. Lowry is 3C, not 2b. Barron is an adequate replacement for Lowry while we wait for Lowry to return. He looks better there if there is a proper 2C playing in front of him.

 

[DRW204]

There's always going to be a Toronto guy ahead of him...last year it was Mathews, Selke is a top 6 forward's trophy. It's not a Guy Carbonneau trophy anymore. At least he's recognized as the Jets best defensive forward. He's always had a Matthias, Armia, Tanev, Appleton type forward on his wing, speed but no finish, so it's hard to say if there could be more offense with more talent. Seems like he holds his own with top 6 matchups.

I don't expect the big man to come back faster, with age and injury, at some point Morgan Barron covering more ice should look like a 3C option.

when you have v good defensive forwards putting up a ppg, they deserve it.

 

[voyageur]

when you have v good defensive forwards putting up a ppg, they deserve it.

I read Barkov as having nearly 59% o-zone starts, which when you contrast it to where Adam Lowry starts, according to Hockey Reference, it's 68% d-zone starts, then throw in PP production, and I am not sure if we are entirely measuring defensive forward, or just the favourite two way player from a high profile team, like Bergeron, Datsyuk, on and on. There's no defining metric for being a strong defensive player...is Mitch Marner really better defensively than Adam Lowry, or is it just he plays in Toronto? Seems like PK effectiveness, matchup strengths, GA/60 vs OZ/DZ/60 would all be factors?

 

[surixon]

I read Barkov as having nearly 59% o-zone starts, which when you contrast it to where Adam Lowry starts, according to Hockey Reference, it's 68% d-zone starts, then throw in PP production, and I am not sure if we are entirely measuring defensive forward, or just the favourite two way player from a high profile team, like Bergeron, Datsyuk, on and on. There's no defining metric for being a strong defensive player...is Mitch Marner really better defensively than Adam Lowry, or is it just he plays in Toronto? Seems like PK effectiveness, matchup strengths, GA/60 vs OZ/DZ/60 would all be factors?

Not sure how this really relates to what I was posting. I'm talking about the line loosing offensive ability and not being able to score enough as a result.

The team has proven its defensive aptitude over a number of years. Indont expect to see any material change in our defensive results.

 

[voyageur]

Not sure how this really relates to what I was posting. I'm talking about the line loosing offensive ability and not being able to score enough as a result.

The team has proven its defensive aptitude over a number of years. Indont expect to see any material change in our defensive results.

Oops I started quoting your post, because I wanted to talk about how I think Perfetti-Namestnikov-Chibrikov still has potential. Talk about the nice goal I saw them score live in the Vegas game, with zone entries, and exchanges. I was really impressed with Chibrikov's game when he got the call, I had hoped that Ehlers coming back would demote Appleton out of the top 9, and keep the 2nd line going, which up to that point wasn't firing all that much with Ehlers. They did pick it up considerably before 4 Nations and after. But Chibrikov instead got demoted even though I believe it was Josh quoted in the dressing room as "keep this guy up," which the Jets did not, and instead he got hurt.

I still don't know where I stand on Namestnikov, I feel like he has some skill, that is underrated. He's not a 4th line player to me, not sure if he is a best on best kind of player though. So that's a tough one.

Be interesting to see if Arniel just goes with Kupari and Barron to replace Lowry's defensive game, or if the Jets try to produce more of a 3 line scoring team, should Ehlers depart.

 

[Crocket]

If he had an extra gear he would be terrific. His skating has improved but it still looks a bit laboured to me.

He just had hip surgery, so ya he was not 100

 

[Crocket]

Perfetti moving to 2C would be interesting. If Toews is 100, would be interesting at 3C while Lowery recovers, and moves up to 2c.

We need C depth.

 

[10Ducky10]

Lowry's actual salary next year is 2.5m.
JMo's salary for the next 3 years is 4.8m!