Player Discussion Adam Fox

[TheWrongWay]

I was a pretty good ref. I had players request that I do their games often. With that said we all make mistakes and I screwed up really badly once. There was a penalty and I raised my arm for a delayed call when the wrong team had possession of the puck so the wrong team pulled their goalie lol

Regardless, it's cool you got to experience that aspect of the game. And we're all misfits. If that was the worst screw up you had that week, it was likely a damn fine week.

I can appreciate also that you coached. I fill-in player/coached one game and knew it was not for me midway thru the first period. MUCH harder job than it looks like.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Regardless, it's cool you got to experience that aspect of the game. And we're all misfits. If that was the worst screw up you had that week, it was likely a damn fine week.

I can appreciate also that you coached. I fill-in player/coached one game and knew it was not for me midway thru the first period. MUCH harder job than it looks like.

Reffing could be stressful especially in chippy games. I found as a ref if you screw up just say so. Almost all the players/coaches stop being angry about a missed call if I just said sorry, I screwed up.

I'm surprised you found it hard to coach. I enjoyed it for the most part. Definitely way easier to coach than ref. Far less pressure.

 

[TheWrongWay]

Reffing could be stressful especially in chippy games. I found as a ref if you screw up just say so. Almost all the players/coaches stop being angry about a missed call if I just said sorry, I screwed up.

That seems like the most noble way to go about it. We're all human and insanely fallible. What can any player say to being honest about that?

I'm surprised you found it hard to coach. I enjoyed it for the most part. Definitely way easier to coach than ref. Far less pressure.

I sucked at that one bad attempt at player coaching and did not like it. And it's not that surprising. I've sucked and failed at plenty of things during my years.

 

[NickyFotiu]

That seems like the most noble way to go about it. We're all human and insanely fallible. What can any player say to being honest about that?



I sucked at that one bad attempt at player coaching and did not like it. And it's not that surprising. I've sucked and failed at plenty of things during my years.

You are probably too hard on yourself. How bad could it have gone?

 

[TheWrongWay]

You are probably too hard on yourself. How bad could it have gone?

I just didn't like that one instance of coaching or enjoy it at all. I loved playing.

Hard on myself? I dunno. I sometimes revel in the things I suck it. As an example... art, like drawing and painting, came easily and naturally to me. Won contests as the best artist in my NYC school district. I got bored with that form of art and felt unchallenged by age 20 or so. Then, I tried photography. I utterly sucked and could not grasp it with any ease. And I have, for decades, loved trying to improve at photography.

I think it's more a matter of feeling humbled and endlessly challenged by something that I truly love doing. No harm in trying new things and sucking at them while you try to learn the fundamentals and nuances.

 

[SA16]

Congratulations to Adam Fox to finishing the season with the highest pts/60 and best xG% of his career.

He set a career high this year at 5v5 in:

1. Assists/60
2. Points/60
3. Shot Attempts/60
4. CF%
5. xG%

Hopefully he continues to improve.

He may have had some trouble with Lindgren but it looks like Soucy was a real steadying presence to help solidify the pairing. He and Lindgren only scored 49% of the goals (50% expected) while on the ice but he had Soucy put up 70% of the goal share (63% expected). Excellent recognition by Drury to realize his pair was being dragged down by Lindgren and to bring in someone who fit with him seamlessly.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

^^

 

[Rangerboy030]

P12 in the Norris stakes this year. With a few rather dubious picks above him, I might add.

 

[Machinehead]

P12 in the Norris stakes this year. With a few rather dubious picks above him, I might add.

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Slavin doesn't do anything better than Fox. Not a pissing thing.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

P12 in the Norris stakes this year. With a few rather dubious picks above him, I might add.

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Who does this voting again?

I can’t really fathom how you can have a career in hockey and think that someone like Thomas Harley or Jake Sanderson is a better player than Adam Fox. Yes, even this year where some people speak about Fox like he was a second pairing defenseman.

Evan Bouchard being ahead is also hilarious. It’s amazing how two people can watch a sport and see wildly different things.

 

[Ruggs225]

Who does this voting again?

I can’t really fathom how you can have a career in hockey and think that someone like Thomas Harley or Jake Sanderson are better players than Adam Fox.

Evan Bouchard being ahead is also hilarious. It’s amazing how two people can watch a sport and see wildly different things.

Its not about better player… its about better season.

Fox did not have a great season.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

Its not about better player… its about better season.

Fox did not have a great season.

Im aware. And he still had a far greater impact than those players. Let’s stop treating it like Fox had a bad season. He just wasn’t the 1-2 best defenseman in the league like he has been since 2020.

Good, maybe let him fly under the radar a bit. I get the sense he was starting to be a little cocky.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

Lane Hutson is also a wild one. He had a heck of a rookie campaign and is a stud, but he played less minutes and his offensive stats are almost identical to Fox, if not a bit worse.

There is actually someone - or should I say over 20 people - whose profession it is to cover hockey and believe that Lane Hutson was better defensively and a more valuable contributor this season than Fox. That’s remarkable.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

P12 in the Norris stakes this year. With a few rather dubious picks above him, I might add.

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Pretty disgusting. But Norris voting is a lot about narrative too, and the Rangers as a while
Were dookie sauce all season, and Fox had a bad showing at the 4 nations, so that’s what these bozos were voting on even if the hard data shows that most of these yokels still
Had worse seasons than Fox

 

[NickyFotiu]

I believe Fox had a below par first half and 4 nations. Probably because of his prior knee injury and or not being in top shape. I thought Fox looked much better later in the season after he came off the injured list. Question will be does Fox come back as first half Fox or later season Fox in 2025-26

 

[bleedblue94]

I highly doubt players that have dedicated their life to hockey and are good enough to play in the NHL will get demoralized because their teammate shrugs his shoulders, looks up to the sky, and has bad body language after a goal is scored against them.

Athletes in an advanced level of competition read on the body language of the other team all the time, and when there are signs that the other team is mentally breaking or broken it is 100% an adrenaline push to finish the job. It's quite literally blood in the water for a shark. The whole body language topic is really related to the concept of pushback and mental toughness. You don't judge teams on how things are when they are going great, you judge them based on how they react to adversity. Are you like Austin Matthews standing their being punched in the face asking the linesman to help you, or are you like Matthew tkachuk who even when losing is going to make sure the other team knows you're still in the fight? The rangers have been been as limp as a pool noodle when it comes to push back on adversity and fox has been a part of it.

 

[bleedblue94]

I believe Fox had a below par first half and 4 nations. Probably because of his prior knee injury and or not being in top shape. I thought Fox looked much better later in the season after he came off the injured list. Question will be does Fox come back as first half Fox or later season Fox in 2025-26

I think fox looked better after 4 nations bc the reality of being left off the Olympic team smashed him in the face and he's embarrassed and worried now. He went from a perceived Olympic lock to now very reasonably on the outside looking in for the top 6-8 d men. I actually expect fox to be exceptional at the start of the season unlike we have seen for awhile bc he knows he needs to play his way into an actual role for the Olympics at this point opposed to just being on the roster.

 

[Vitto79]

So is Gavrikov a shut down LD ?
I think that’s where the ufa money goes to pair with Fox

To deal Miller they need another LD back

 

[NickyFotiu]

I think fox looked better after 4 nations bc the reality of being left off the Olympic team smashed him in the face and he's embarrassed and worried now. He went from a perceived Olympic lock to now very reasonably on the outside looking in for the top 6-8 d men. I actually expect fox to be exceptional at the start of the season unlike we have seen for awhile bc he knows he needs to play his way into an actual role for the Olympics at this point opposed to just being on the roster.

My memory isnt great but I thought Foxs better play came after he came off the injured list. I was not happy with Fox, CK, Mika or Laf last season but I have to give Fox and CK a bit of an injury pass. The NHL is an incredible league. Its hard to excel if coming off injuries.

 

[bleedblue94]

It's so funny how people have moved on from "Lindgren is dragging Fox down" to "Miller is the perfect partner for Fox and will help him so much" to now gravirkov is the answer to make fox better.

When that doesn't work it will be another guy that can help our supposed franchise player. It's like listening to leaf fans talk about Morgan Reilly and trying to find the right partner for him to help him along. I would expect better than Morgan Reilly parallels for someone that people used to argue was better than makar and who just recently were arguing is better than Quinn Hughes.

The rangers have some of the most needy supposed elite players in the league, they always need someone else around them replaced to help them even though they are supposed to be so good. It's just funny.

 

[NickyFotiu]

It's so funny how people have moved on from "Lindgren is dragging Fox down" to "Miller is the perfect partner for Fox and will help him so much" to now gravirkov is the answer to make fox better.

When that doesn't work it will be another guy that can help our supposed franchise player. It's like listening to leaf fans talk about Morgan Reilly and trying to find the right partner for him to help him along. I would expect better than Morgan Reilly parallels for someone that people used to argue was better than makar and who just recently were arguing is better than Quinn Hughes.

The rangers have some of the most needy supposed elite players in the league, they always need someone else around them replaced to help them even though they are supposed to be so good. It's just funny.

Kam is not the perfect partner for Fox or vice versa imo.

 

[bleedblue94]

Kam is not the perfect partner for Fox or vice versa imo.

For literally 2-3 years this board was claiming he was, posting stat packages and charts to back it up, saying coaches were too stupid to realize we had our top pairing ld here but they refused to play him with fox bc they are idiots ect ect. Now that very large and loud crew is fading into the bush like Homer Simpson and moving on to the new flavor of the month in gavirkov as the fox fix. It's funny

 

[NickyFotiu]

For literally 2-3 years this board was claiming he was, posting stat packages and charts to back it up, saying coaches were too stupid to realize we had our top pairing ld here but they refused to play him with fox bc they are idiots ect ect. Now that very large and loud crew is fading into the bush like Homer Simpson and moving on to the new flavor of the month in gavirkov as the fox fix. It's funny

People hate when I say it but the game is more than a data spreadsheet. Kam and Fox may have their share of good moments but perfect fit? Not in my view so far.

 

[SA16]

People hate when I say it but the game is more than a data spreadsheet. Kam and Fox may have their share of good moments but perfect fit? Not in my view so far.

Soucy/Fox had almost the same numbers as Miller/Fox yet people think Soucy/Fox is horrible and Miller/Fox is great. And yet, Miller/Fox largely was used in situations for offense whereas Soucy/Fox was used normally.

 

[Ruggs225]

Soucy/Fox had almost the same numbers as Miller/Fox yet people think Soucy/Fox is horrible and Miller/Fox is great. And yet, Miller/Fox largely was used in situations for offense whereas Soucy/Fox was used normally.

The solution is to get rid of both miller and Soucy.