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I think retool is more about changing the makeup of the team, taking a step back or not is just a byproduct of that.
I think of a "retool" as having a similar definition to "rebuild" except you're trying to renovate rather than rebuild. I do think it requires a team actively making moves to change the makeup of the team rather than making moves that are more or less part of the normal course of business. I think it often does require the acknowledgement that the team might not be taking a step forward the coming season. And part of that comes from the belief that continuity is important. Can you think of a team that made massive changes to the roster over the summer and win a Cup the next year? Like we wouldn't commonly describe a Cup winner losing a lot of players to free agency as retooling. They're looking to win another Cup. Similarly, we wouldn't commonly describe a non-playoff team who made a lot of moves towards playoff contention as retooling. Certainly if say we decided to trade our first round picks for the next 5 years for immediate help would say that management made the decision to retool?

Simply adding players to fill holes in the lineup (e.g. a 2C) isn't a retool.

Pitts didn’t just trade Neal, they basically flushed the whole roste. Hell he made 15 trades in 2 seasons leading to the cup and he made 50 trades over his tenure there. I would argue the pens under him was under a constant state of flux that maybe the term retool doesn’t apply. He acquired a bunch of key players and then flip them because JR is JR and he did it even after winning the cup. it’s like the common convention of retool is not a thing for him, high turnover is just his way of running a team.
Making a lot of trades doesn't mean the team was retooling. Like trading a 1st for Perron. Trading mostly futures for Kessel. These aren't typically seen as "retool" moves. Trading Perron (who wasn't a fit and a pending UFA) for Hagelin (who was under contract and filled a need) also isn't a typical "retool" move.

That's just my opinion. I see Neal as the biggest retool move as they brought in a different type of player.
 
Jim didn't follow the longer timeline. He burned his assets up front. Now they're scrambling.

Since I've indulged you by answering your questions in good faith, I've got one for you: If Jim has been on plan for his retool, why was he put on notice with the Foote hire?
No he isnt on plan based on what all of us saw happened last year

I believe i acknowledged this earlier too
 
At this point I have to assert you are not reading my posts. I have clarified twice now that the 1-2 year retool was their plan that failed. Not that this is generally the timeline of retools. That would be 2-4 years. And again, no one has said rebuild.

There was a poster here that advocated for a hard 1-2 year retool, and then if that had failed, like now, then rebuild. I actually argued against this poster, but it's funny to see here that you have ascribed his position to me. So weird. Anyway.



VAN's regular season belied its actual true talent. Silovs was playing well and they were still dogs against FLA, EDM and DAL. Did it matter that their regular season record was better? No. The talent disparity is there.

It's not my faulty logic that said JT alone derailed the Canucks' season (look up). They were not a contender last year or this year (with or without him).

So yeah Silovs played well... but that 898 sv% says it wasn't that great.

You don't think in 23-24 with a healthy roster the Canucks get past the oilers who they took to game 7? You don't think a helathy Canucks team from that season is in the cup final?
 
So yeah Silovs played well... but that 898 sv% says it wasn't that great.

You don't think in 23-24 with a healthy roster the Canucks get past the oilers who they took to game 7? You don't think a helathy Canucks team from that season is in the cup final?
Timelines > context
 
So yeah Silovs played well... but that 898 sv% says it wasn't that great.

You don't think in 23-24 with a healthy roster the Canucks get past the oilers who they took to game 7? You don't think a helathy Canucks team from that season is in the cup final?

No. The Oilers were the more talented team.

Demko just put up a 889% save percentage, but I get your point. My point is that even with him, they still likely lose. Look at what's happening to DAL with the superior goalie in Oettinger.
 
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No. The Oilers were the more talented team.

Demko just put up a 889% save percentage, but I get your point. My point is that even with him, they still likely lose. Look at what's happening to DAL with the superior goalie in Oettinger.
So the team that took it to game 7 with their 3rd string goalie and missing their 40 goal scorer still doesn't win... and that isn't to talk about Petey's injuries.

demko... you mean they guy who was hurt for a year... came back and didn't put up his career average numbers... shocked.
 
So the team that took it to game 7 with their 3rd string goalie and missing their 40 goal scorer still doesn't win... and that isn't to talk about Petey's injuries.

demko... you mean they guy who was hurt for a year... came back and didn't put up his career average numbers... shocked.

Point stands. DAL: Better goalie in Oettinger and better comparative roster to VAN, getting worked by EDM. They're going back to the cup final (ugh) while losing Holloway, Foegele, McLeod and Broberg...

Both teams healthy last year, EDM had the better roster.

I think VAN taking EDM to game 7, while getting blown out in game 6 and chasing a 3-0 lead in game 7, deceived a lot of people.
 
Point stands. DAL: Better goalie in Oettinger and better comparative roster to VAN, getting worked by EDM. They're going back to the cup final (ugh) while losing Holloway, Foegele, McLeod and Broberg...

Both teams healthy last year, EDM had the better roster.

I think VAN taking EDM to game 7, while getting blown out in game 6 and chasing a 3-0 lead in game 7, deceived a lot of people.

I really don't know what to say... I think if Mik scores on that breakaway early in the game the Canucks lose to the panthers in the final. Thats is without their star goalie, and 40 goal scorer... you keep forgetting that.

That Dallas team was like us worn down and hurt.
 
I really don't know what to say... I think if Mik scores on that breakaway early in the game the Canucks lose to the panthers in the final. Thats is without their star goalie, and 40 goal scorer... you keep forgetting that.

That Dallas team was like us worn down and hurt.

Would you like to take this to a main board poll? Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm willing to risk that I am not.
 
Why? I don't care what dumb ass people think. Plus 90% are either going to be recency bias or result bias... and 90% aren't great posters. Its a terrible way to figure anything out.

Ok, then can I direct you to Drance, Seravalli and Shah who say the same thing? That EDM had the better true talent roster last year.

It's not a slight to VAN to recognize that EDM had the better team. That's just analyzing relative strength via metrics and talent.
 
Ok, then can I direct you to Drance, Seravalli and Shah who say the same thing? That EDM had the better true talent roster last year.

It's not a slight to VAN to recognize that EDM had the better team. That's just analyzing relative strength via metrics and talent.

That doesn't mean they are a better team. I think any team with Drai and McD is or should be a top team those are premiere players. and Hyman is better then Boeser. That however doesn't mean they are the better team, not with our teams goaltending and defence.

Best on Best we were a better team and it showed in the regular season and for much of the playoffs when we changed our style to deal with injuries.
 
With Demko in vintage playoff form; and a healthy Brock Boeser in game seven; the Canucks win that series against Edmonton last year.

But that's the demoralizing crap-shoot of the Cup playoffs. A couple of key guys go down, and suddenly your hopes are on life-support.

Now that Hyman looks to be done for the season--it'll be interesting to see how the Oilers react. He's a big loss. But some teams just seem to be able to plug the gap with the 'next man up' philosophy and never skip a beat.
 
That doesn't mean they are a better team. I think any team with Drai and McD is or should be a top team those are premiere players. and Hyman is better then Boeser. That however doesn't mean they are the better team, not with our teams goaltending and defence.

Best on Best we were a better team and it showed in the regular season and for much of the playoffs when we changed our style to deal with injuries.

EDM had the best Expected Goals Differential in the regular season, and the best Expected Goals for. They ranked right behind VAN in Expected Goals Against. These are all regular season markers that signified their higher quality roster. Even on defense, they were right there.

A regular season record only tells you so much. Look at VGK vs EDM this year.

Listen to the latest Canucks Talk. Drance specifically outlines how EDM hit a gear VAN couldn't match. People see this and understand the difference.
 
I really don't know what to say... I think if Mik scores on that breakaway early in the game the Canucks lose to the panthers in the final. Thats is without their star goalie, and 40 goal scorer... you keep forgetting that.

That Dallas team was like us worn down and hurt.

Vancouver weren't that good a team last year. A normal year maybe a 3rd seed or a wild card. It's one of those years everything went right with a lot of career shooting percentage. It inflated expectations too much.
 
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I really hope that somehow they convince manny to come in as assistant Coach and take foote’s job in a few years
 
EDM had the best Expected Goals Differential in the regular season, and the best Expected Goals for. They ranked right behind VAN in Expected Goals Against. These are all regular season markers that signified their higher quality roster. Even on defense, they were right there.

A regular season record only tells you so much. Look at VGK vs EDM this year.

Listen to the latest Canucks Talk. Drance specifically outlines how EDM hit a gear VAN couldn't match. People see this and understand the difference.

So they ranked right beside Vancouver... so their are elite and we are not.... sure.


Because they were not anywhere near talented enough?

Assuming health what team had better 1-3 centre depth? I don't buy this argument at all. Should we have won the cup? Probably not, but were we good enough to be in the mix? Yep.

Vancouver want that good a team last year. A normal year maybe a 3rd seed or a wild card. It's one of those years everything went right, a li
If career shooting percentage. It inflated expectations too much.

I look at results, and were they good enough to make the final if injuries had gone their way? Yep. Luck plays a large part in the sport. We were unlucky last year.

Just like if Hyman injury derails Edm this season I would say they were unlucky.
 


Kevin Dean as a Possible Assistant Coach
  • Keep an eye on him
  • Let go by the Blackhawks when Blashill was brought in
  • Assistant on Team USA that just won the World Hockey Championship
  • Smart, defensive coach that is great with the kids
  • Well thought of and a lot of teams are after him
Yogi Svejkovsy
  • Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s is back with the team for next season
  • Great skills guy
Derek Forbort
  • Was leaning towards leaving Vancouver
  • Bringing in Kevin Dean, who was a coach in Boston, might change his opinion
 
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