Confirmed with Link: Adam Foote Named Head Coach of the Vancouver Canucks

[PuckMunchkin]

I think he clearly is.

Ok.

So what the f*** is he talking about?

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

the opposite is true. there's no lack of motive for the league or owners. it's just catastrophic for the league if they are caught, so that would be the deterrent. if you did it you'd need to trust anyone involved to a very high degree. there would therefore need to be a way to do it requiring as few people as possible and it would need to be difficult or impossible to prove.

So in your version of events, all of the owners, presidents, GMs, and various league officials who could (and would) leak something about it to their friends, family, etc. None of them know this or have 'recognized the patterns', but your cursory glance at the teams that have won and your assertion that it's 'fishy' is ironclad?

 

[Slapshot_11]

You might as well give manny a shot if your just gonna make the dollar store version of Tocchet the head coach

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Foote seems like a good dood.

I hope he succeeds.

 

[krutovsdonut]

So in your version of events, all of the owners, presidents, GMs, and various league officials who could (and would) leak something about it to their friends, family, etc. None of them know this or have 'recognized the patterns', but your cursory glance at the teams that have won and your assertion that it's 'fishy' is ironclad?

what do you mean by "my version of events" and where did i suggest something is ironclad? this is why we can't have fun on the interwebs any more. abstract speculation seems to upset some people and hence is no longer allowed.

i am talking about something that is theoretically possible. of course it's not ironclad. i just put out some (accurate) numbers, not a "version of events," and i joked about them being improbable and i mused about how it might work if it were a conspiracy. in short, it's a conspiracy theory that i came up with on the fly to support another conspiracy theory. you read about its development in real time.

best i can say is i think the case for it is better than i expected and maybe better than the case for the initial conspiracy theory of the league being out to get the canucks which is way more speculative. needs someone with the math skills to polish it up with probability analysis though.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

This is obviously not the case despite how badly a few people on the internet want it to be true.

This is still a desirable market and a good team and this is also essentially Malhotra's home town.



Highly doubtful considering he's still coaching in the AHL and the Canucks would not be granting him opportunities to interview until the AHL season is complete. And while teams might engage in blatant tampering involving the defending Jack Adams winner, they probably aren't for Manny Malhotra.

I honestly wonder what excuses people like you will make in two years when we lose Hughes for nothing, if we were a desirable market we wouldn't be losing players and coaches like we have, we wouldn't have the drama and we would have consistency.

None of which is true.

 

[strattonius]

I honestly wonder what excuses people like you will make in two years when we lose Hughes for nothing, if we were a desirable market we wouldn't be losing players and coaches like we have, we wouldn't have the drama and we would have consistency.

None of which is true.

What excuse will you make when he signs an 8y 120M dollar deal?

You're trying to shame someone based purely on speculation.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

What excuse will you make when he signs an 8y 120M dollar deal?

You're trying to shame someone based purely on speculation.

I'll be ecstatic, based on where this team is and where it likely will be, based on the same BS over and over and over since 2011, what makes you (very idealistically I might add) think otherwise?

QH wants to win, even our jackass GM/President indicated he wants to play with his brothers as well, what makes you think for one second it will be here?

 

[strattonius]

I'll be ecstatic, based on where this team is and where it likely will be, based on the same BS over and over and over since 2011, what makes you (very idealistically I might add) think otherwise?

QH wants to win, even our jackass GM indicated he wants to play with his brothers as well, what makes you think for one second it will be here?

Looks like you have it all figured out.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Looks like you have it all figured out.

Looks like you haven't been paying attention for long enough

 

[Nick Lang]

the opposite is true. there's no lack of motive for the league or owners. it's just catastrophic for the league if they are caught, so that would be the deterrent. if you did it you'd need to trust anyone involved to a very high degree. there would therefore need to be a way to do it requiring as few people as possible and it would need to be difficult or impossible to prove.

Exactly, it would be so difficult to pull off without tipping anyone off, with such little reward, and massive repercussions, that it's really a ridiculous notion unless one is just into conspiracy theories or being angry or spiteful at everything. People that have big money are not careless with their lofty position in life like that.

 

[MS]

You are one of the last people on the planet who thinks this.

Fair enough.

How can you be soooo correct on every Ep40 take you had a week ago during your posting spree, but then honestly think and believe this?

We're a clown show top to bottom. We're a more desirable living situation than Columbus types but thats it.

I mean, we just acquired two pending UFAs mid-way through the season and both re-upped almost immediately for lower dollars than expected and raved about the city and the organization.

As much as a tiny minority of self-loathing fans want this to be another Benning era, it pretty clearly isn't the case and the couple organizational setbacks that have happened in the last year haven't somehow turned us from one of the better-run organizations into one of the worst. The hot takes of a few chicken-little fans aren't representative of the league-wide view of the team.

Like, if you're inventing narratives out of thin air that Malhotra probably just turned down the team because we were such a stupid joke ... you might want to check your biases.

I honestly wonder what excuses people like you will make in two years when we lose Hughes for nothing, if we were a desirable market we wouldn't be losing players and coaches like we have, we wouldn't have the drama and we would have consistency.

None of which is true.

I honestly wonder what people like you will find to complain about in two years when we win the Cup.

See how dumb this is?

Also, being a quality organization and having Quinn Hughes leave aren't mutually exclusive.

It's been a shitty year, obviously. Last year was utterly fantastic. We'll see where things sit another year from now but the sky isn't falling and we aren't back in 2015.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I mean, we just acquired two pending UFAs mid-way through the season and both re-upped almost immediately for lower dollars than expected and raved about the city and the organization.

As much as a tiny minority of self-loathing fans want this to be another Benning era, it pretty clearly isn't the case and the couple organizational setbacks that have happened in the last year haven't somehow turned us from one of the better-run organizations into one of the worst. The hot takes of a few chicken-little fans aren't representative of the league-wide view of the team.

Like, if you're inventing narratives out of thin air that Malhotra probably just turned down the team because we were such a stupid joke ... you might want to check your biases.




I honestly wonder what people like you will find to complain about in two years when we win the Cup.

See how dumb this is?

Also, being a quality organization and having Quinn Hughes leave aren't mutually exclusive.

It's been a shitty year, obviously. Last year was utterly fantastic. We'll see where things sit another year from now but the sky isn't falling and we aren't back in 2015.

Yahhhh, which one is a pie in the sky theory and which one could actually happen, but yah, totally dumb, I mean we have been a world class organization for years right?


Since 2011 we have made the playoffs consistently, oh wait........ just twice (covid playoffs don't count)

We have accumulated draft picks and groomed them to be star players, or shit, even NHL regulars, oh wait.......

We consistently have star players signing here, oh wait......

We have had consistency in coaching oh wait......

Like the rest of the league we have a practice facility oh wait...


Our blueline looks good, that's really about it, and last time I checked scoring matters too and who the f*** knows who is gonna do that for us





So were a quality organization because you say so?

 

[F A N]

Ok.

So what the f*** is he talking about?

You wrote, "We are not a serious organization and wont be until Aquaman is gone."

@Andy Dufresne wrote "You're aware Aquilini became full owner 2006 right... We weren't a serious organization with Mike Gillis as GM... We weren't serious when we went to Game 7 of the Finals?"

Like you don't have to agree with what he said, but how are you not understanding what he's getting at?

 

[sting101]

We're not a quality organization at the moment because the President and GM are not aligning themselves with our top players very well and creating drama. There are some really concerning injury cases the last few years also

Our Adams winning coach left after 2 seasons because of the same.

And our best forward Miller

Boeser about to join Toffoli Tanev Zadorov Lindholm Horvat Miller as players with some good miles left who we got next to nothing in returns from. Yes i know Tofu & Tanev were JB but it's more of the same

And it doesn't help when all these things are an issue and the team is jamming huge price increases down the fanbases throats and all we hear publicly is that we are the last remaining team without a training and practice facility.

Yes the Sun will rise but good grief just because Jimbo is not a laughing stalk doesn't make us a good organization right now.

And yes i still think we have a good front office and a good off season plus some growth in everyone working cohesively plus a Hughes extension could change things very quickly but if they double down on this same BS of the last year and Hughes walks they might as well tear it to the studs

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

We're not a quality organization at the moment because the President and GM are not aligning themselves with our top players very well and creating drama. There are some really concerning injury cases the last few years also

Our Adams winning coach left after 2 seasons because of the same.

And our best forward Miller

Boeser about to join Toffoli Tanev Zadorov Lindholm Horvat Miller as players with some good miles left who we got next to nothing in returns from. Yes i know Tofu & Tanev were JB but it's more of the same

And it doesn't help when all these things are an issue and the team is jamming huge price increases down the fanbases throats and all we hear publicly is that we are the last remaining team without a training and practice facility.

Yes the Sun will rise but good grief just because Jimbo is not a laughing stalk doesn't make us a good organization right now.

And yes i still think we have a good front office and a good off season plus some growth in everyone working cohesively plus a Hughes extension could change things very quickly but if they double down on this same BS of the last year and Hughes walks they might as well tear it to the studs

Oh look at that, logic, thank you.

 

[MS]

Yahhhh, which one is a pie in the sky theory and which one could actually happen, but yah, totally dumb, I mean we have been a world class organization for years right?


Since 2011 we have made the playoffs consistently, oh wait........ just twice (covid playoffs don't count)

I mean, this is almost entirely related to the last regime, not this one.

We have accumulated draft picks and groomed them to be star players, or shit, even NHL regulars, oh wait.......

We actually have drafted/developed a high amount of high-end talent over the last decade.

We consistently have star players signing here, oh wait......

We've had no problems being a mid-level (at worst) UFA destination in the summers and have multiple examples in the last year of players signing here below market value.

We've retained every top player we've wanted to retain as they approached UFA.

We have had consistency in coaching oh wait......

Like the rest of the league we have a practice facility oh wait...

Yup, those two suck.

The practice facility thing is a meme at this point and has probably become a bigger media/fan issue than it actually is as a thing in reality.

It should also be noted that the average NHL head coach lasts less than 3 seasons. Martin St. Louis is the 4th-longest serving coach in the league and he's been in Montreal for 3 years. 18 of 32 teams have turned their head coach over in the last year. *Everyone* lacks consistency in coaching except for TB and Carolina. Tocchet was actually the 7th-longest serving coach in the league at the time he left.

Our blueline looks good, that's really about it, and last time I checked scoring matters too and who the f*** knows who is gonna do that for us





So were a quality organization because you say so?

We hit on pretty much everything we did from the Allvin hiring through to the 2024 playoffs. Then we had a weird/shitty/unlucky/bizarre 12 months where everything went wrong from our two immature star players having a falling-out to our goalie's health imploding to a key player getting cancer to our coach getting tampered with/poached.

We didn't somehow become the 2002 Islanders in the last 12 months. We get tunnel vision on our team here but you look at the Rangers or the Avalanche or the Kings and there are lots of teams that are good organizations that have a shit year. The test will be to see how we rebound from this shit year.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I mean, this is almost entirely related to the last regime, not this one.



We actually have drafted/developed a high amount of high-end talent over the last decade.



We've had no problems being a mid-level (at worst) UFA destination in the summers and have multiple examples in the last year of players signing here below market value.

We've retained every top player we've wanted to retain as they approached UFA.



Yup, those two suck.

The practice facility thing is a meme at this point and has probably become a bigger media/fan issue than it actually is as a thing in reality.

It should also be noted that the average NHL head coach lasts less than 3 seasons. Martin St. Louis is the 4th-longest serving coach in the league and he's been in Montreal for 3 years. 18 of 32 teams have turned their head coach over in the last year. *Everyone* lacks consistency in coaching except for TB and Carolina. Tocchet was actually the 7th-longest serving coach in the league at the time he left.



We hit on pretty much everything we did from the Allvin hiring through to the 2024 playoffs. Then we had a weird/shitty/unlucky/bizarre 12 months where everything went wrong from our two immature star players having a falling-out to our goalie's health imploding to a key player getting cancer to our coach getting tampered with/poached.

We didn't somehow become the 2002 Islanders in the last 12 months. We get tunnel vision on our team here but you look at the Rangers or the Avalanche or the Kings and there are lots of teams that are good organizations that have a shit year. The test will be to see how we rebound from this shit year.

Oh so we have consistently made the playoffs under this regime?....


We have one of the worst records of drafting in the league, we have the least amount of picks that are actually playing NHL games, compared to the rest of the league, no, we haven't drafted developed a high amount over the last decade, unless I'm mistaken I count a few players at most and is EP even considered high value anymore?


So this doesn't point to a quality organization, for free agents, at best a mediocre, I will say at least this regime, isn't overpaying like the previous one.

We are the only team in the league that doesn't have a facility, it was a point of contention for the previous coach, this is not merely a fan issue. come on man.

Hey, I hope I am wrong, I just see the same things happening over and over, trading away picks, letting players walk for nothing etc. now add in the drama and it looks awfully bleak man.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Exactly, it would be so difficult to pull off without tipping anyone off, with such little reward, and massive repercussions, that it's really a ridiculous notion unless one is just into conspiracy theories or being angry or spiteful at everything. People that have big money are not careless with their lofty position in life like that.

yes they are. rich people overreach and screw up all the time and the nhl is not a league of rocket surgeons.

anyway, i was following a hunch based on a general understanding of the data, which i think turned out more compelling than i expected on a closer inspection. many great discoveries are made that way.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Looks like you haven't been paying attention for long enough

Looks like you need to find a team you don't hate, or a hobby you enjoy.

 

[Brookbank]

I am trying to be positive about the hire but there is some doubts about him. I mean, listen to this sigh

 

[alternate]

I'll be ecstatic, based on where this team is and where it likely will be, based on the same BS over and over and over since 2011, what makes you (very idealistically I might add) think otherwise?

QH wants to win, even our jackass GM/President indicated he wants to play with his brothers as well, what makes you think for one second it will be here?

Well with the way his brother is holding up physically, I think he'll be able to do one or the other of those things buy not both together. Maybe that works in our favour, who knows.

 

[Vector]

I am trying to be positive about the hire but there is some doubts about him. I mean, listen to this sigh

John Shannon is a fun storyteller and a good interviewer but I don’t put much stock in his hockey opinions. He’s last generation’s Jeff Marek.

 

[andora]

Yahhhh, which one is a pie in the sky theory and which one could actually happen, but yah, totally dumb, I mean we have been a world class organization for years right?


Since 2011 we have made the playoffs consistently, oh wait........ just twice (covid playoffs don't count)

We have accumulated draft picks and groomed them to be star players, or shit, even NHL regulars, oh wait.......

We consistently have star players signing here, oh wait......

We have had consistency in coaching oh wait......

Like the rest of the league we have a practice facility oh wait...


Our blueline looks good, that's really about it, and last time I checked scoring matters too and who the f*** knows who is gonna do that for us





So were a quality organization because you say so?

I hear the anaheim wagon has some spots open

 

[lawrence]

Every coach in the NHL started with no NHL coaching experience—they deserve a chance. Alvin mentioned interviewing numerous candidates: experienced NHL coaches and up-and-comers likely from the AHL. Let’s see how Foote does. Remember, the greatest Canucks coaches, Pat Quinn and Alain Vigneault, were also defensemen.