Confirmed with Link: Adam Foote Named Head Coach of the Vancouver Canucks

[PuckMunchkin]

In a short-term results-based league, this is still probably a better job than Boston/Seattle/Pittsburgh/Chicago.

Also, Malhotra has done a good job but I think this market is probably overrating him as a candidate and the only team I think that would offer him a job is maybe Pittsburgh.

Sorry but its not.

The word is out now completely. We are not a serious organization and wont be until Aquaman is gone.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

what are you on about?

The Oilers from Edmonton, picked #1 3 years in a row. I don't know of any team, in any sport, that's picked #1 3 years in a row. Maybe it's happened in the ancient past, before draft lotteries.
How are you going to explain that within your rigged for large USA markets theory?

 

[krutovsdonut]

The Oilers from Edmonton, picked #1 3 years in a row. I don't know of any team, in any sport, that's picked #1 3 years in a row. Maybe it's happened in the ancient past, before draft lotteries.
How are you going to explain that within your rigged for large USA markets theory?

because math? they obviously can't rig the lottery every year and the oilers were the worst team in the league 2 of those 3 times and the second worst the other year. so they had had 48.5%, 48.5% and 18.8% odds to win those lotteries.: two coin tosses and a 1 in 5.

otoh, the rangers had a 1% chance when they won from 14th, isles this year from 10th had a 3% chance, the devils, hawks and isles when they won from 5th had an 8% chance each. the devils had a 3.6% chance in 2011 to move from 8th to 4th. the devils and hawks also beat 11.5% odds to grab hughes and bedard from 3rd more recently.

pretty good dice rolling by some truly blessed and fortunate franchises that happen by coincidence to be in the most important us tv hockey markets.

 

[Josepho]

Sorry but its not.

The word is out now completely. We are not a serious organization and wont be until Aquaman is gone.

Would you consider any of the other teams I mentioned to be "serious" at the moment?

You have two teams likely entering a lengthy rebuild, and two teams that have just been absolutely terrible with their money in UFA. Seattle in particular has been horribly run.

Even if fans/managers understand the value of a rebuild, it typically isn't great for the coaches involved. Guys like DJ Smith, Luke Richardson, and Jeff Blashill are likely never getting another gig.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Would you consider any of the other teams I mentioned to be "serious" at the moment?

Yes.

Its us and Buffalo in a tier of our own.

Chicago is probably about to join us.

You have two teams likely entering a lengthy rebuild, and two teams that have just been absolutely terrible with their money in UFA. Seattle in particular has been horribly run.

Seattle is an expansion team that suffered from teams learning from the Vegas expansion draft.

Even if fans/managers understand the value of a rebuild, it typically isn't great for the coaches involved. Guys like DJ Smith, Luke Richardson, and Jeff Blashill are likely never getting another gig.

There is a reason the short list of coaches for us was made entirely of first time NHL head coaches.

Some coaches can work in a rebuild some cant.


Just to be clear.

When I say we are not a serious organisation I dont mean conention wise. I mean we are ran like a toy for Aqua and refuse to do the boring leg work that is necessary to build a stanley cup winning team.

 

[strattonius]

We aReNt a SEriOuS OrGANizAtIOn

BlUeBerRy BOy

AquAmAN iS PULlInG the STriNgs

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Seriously some of you guys sound so juvenile. Insufferable, incoherent nonsense.

 

[sting101]

Sorry but its not.

The word is out now completely. We are not a serious organization and wont be until Aquaman is gone.

How did Gillis do it?

 

[me2]

because math? they obviously can't rig the lottery every year and the oilers were the worst team in the league 2 of those 3 times and the second worst the other year. so they had had 48.5%, 48.5% and 18.8% odds to win those lotteries.: two coin tosses and a 1 in 5.

otoh, the rangers had a 1% chance when they won from 14th, isles this year from 10th had a 3% chance, the devils, hawks and isles when they won from 5th had an 8% chance each. the devils had a 3.6% chance in 2011 to move from 8th to 4th. the devils and hawks also beat 11.5% odds to grab hughes and bedard from 3rd more recently.

pretty good dice rolling by some truly blessed and fortunate franchises that happen by coincidence to be in the most important us tv hockey markets.

They're are 7 Canadian teams in a 30/31/32 team league. In other words there are 23-25 American teams. You'd expect american teams to win 1st most of the time. Canada has picked up 6 of the last 15 1st OA.

The devils and the fish sticks aren't original 6 prestige teams. If the NHL wanted to pump up a team it'd pump up Detroit or Philly. They just get screwed.

If it was rigged phoenix would have won a bunch. They were bettmans sick puppy after all.

 

[Gurn]

While I'd prefer Manny as head coach, it really doesn't matter.
Until the owner/management stops selling the future, to try to make the play offs-this team going nowhere.
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I'm getting older- but my favourite team keeps doing the same wrong things---future looks dim.

 

[Fatass]

While I'd prefer Manny as head coach, it really doesn't matter.
Until the owner/management stops selling the future, to try to make the play offs-this team going nowhere.
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I'm getting older- but my favourite team keeps doing the same wrong things---future looks dim.

How do you think we do last playoffs with a healthy Demko?

 

[Gurn]

How do you think we do last playoffs with a healthy Demko?

Not all that well- Demko healthy and playing well would be nice. However the team is too slow, too small, and too soft to really do anything. The 2 best centers- E.P, while fine defensively, played like a 3rd line offensive center threat level- and Isn't that all Chytil has been?
3 3rd line centers, does not make for a good play off run.
Hughes is an amazing D man-imo the best player they've ever had- Hronek goes missing for weeks at a time-and the others are either not puck movers or are too early in their career to be puck moving guys that can be counted on.
Plus Demko is not healthy, and may never be healthy, enough, again.
Still trying figure out why Toch played him that first game back, from the all star break last year.
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maybe, by the time the draft rolls around I'll feel a bit of optimism- but every year, every decade, gets harder to think they are going the right direction.
Then again- I doubt they keep the #15 pick- more likely to trade it, and try to temp fix everything-again.

 

[DiggerDan]

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I'm getting older- but my favourite team keeps doing the same wrong things---future looks dim.

I read this in the voice of Matthew McConaughey from Dazed and Confused.... and I hear ya brother

 

[Fatass]

Not all that well- Demko healthy and playing well would be nice. However the team is too slow, too small, and too soft to really do anything. The 2 best centers- E.P, while fine defensively, played like a 3rd line offensive center threat level- and Isn't that all Chytil has been?
3 3rd line centers, does not make for a good play off run.
Hughes is an amazing D man-imo the best player they've ever had- Hronek goes missing for weeks at a time-and the others are either not puck movers or are too early in their career to be puck moving guys that can be counted on.
Plus Demko is not healthy, and may never be healthy, enough, again.
Still trying figure out why Toch played him that first game back, from the all star break last year.
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maybe, by the time the draft rolls around I'll feel a bit of optimism- but every year, every decade, gets harder to think they are going the right direction.
Then again- I doubt they keep the #15 pick- more likely to trade it, and try to temp fix everything-again.

Lost in game seven with our third string goalie. Imo we win the Cup last year with a healthy Demko. He’s a superstar goalie, who is proven to even get better in the playoffs.,

 

[Gurn]

Lost in game seven with our third string goalie. Imo we win the Cup last year with a healthy Demko. He’s a superstar goalie, who is proven to even get better in the playoffs.,

He was, a superstar goalie. Then they broke him.
Last year's team was way better than this year's version. 2 quality centers, and yetoffense was still a problem.
One of the media goalie pundits was less than happy that Demko was signed to the current deal. Didn't think the style being played was conducive to career longevity. Don't think it was Woodley- and unfortunately, with the demise of the nucks official forum, that post is now gone, gone, gone. May exist on twitter/x-- but I'm never getting an account to go look.

 

[Brookbank]

because math? they obviously can't rig the lottery every year and the oilers were the worst team in the league 2 of those 3 times and the second worst the other year. so they had had 48.5%, 48.5% and 18.8% odds to win those lotteries.: two coin tosses and a 1 in 5.

otoh, the rangers had a 1% chance when they won from 14th, isles this year from 10th had a 3% chance, the devils, hawks and isles when they won from 5th had an 8% chance each. the devils had a 3.6% chance in 2011 to move from 8th to 4th. the devils and hawks also beat 11.5% odds to grab hughes and bedard from 3rd more recently.

pretty good dice rolling by some truly blessed and fortunate franchises that happen by coincidence to be in the most important us tv hockey markets.

The league would legitimize this by saying the mid market US teams need a bigger shot in the arm to retain interest than any Canadian team does.

 

[credulous]

Lost in game seven with our third string goalie. Imo we win the Cup last year with a healthy Demko. He’s a superstar goalie, who is proven to even get better in the playoffs.,

literally every team can make a claim like this. you don't get cup wins for hypotheticals

 

[sting101]

Such a joke of an excuse to blame ownership. Of course they want to sell as many tickets as possible and maximize revenue season to season.

Its the Presidents job to build the best sustained winner possible and convince them that short term pain is ok if it makes them stronger for longer.

If they are letting ownership meddle with those decisions then they are frauds and need to step down

Certainly we need a practice facility and that would be beneficial but Abbotsford has been a big positive and the 23/24 team did ok without a practice facility.

I'm still not convinced Foote was a very good decision. Almost feels like he's been hired to be fired when or if we struggle or if Hughes leaves.

 

[Nick Lang]

They're are 7 Canadian teams in a 30/31/32 team league. In other words there are 23-25 American teams. You'd expect american teams to win 1st most of the time. Canada has picked up 6 of the last 15 1st OA.

The devils and the fish sticks aren't original 6 prestige teams. If the NHL wanted to pump up a team it'd pump up Detroit or Philly. They just get screwed.

If it was rigged phoenix would have won a bunch. They were bettmans sick puppy after all.

Yup, these comments sound really juvenile and completely uneducated in the business sense. Sports are like a legal scam, they have no reason to cook the draft results. Not only does the league make really good dividends it pays off handsomely no matter who wins. Pretty close to 31 teams do not deliver the desired product to their fanbase and they are all back the following year. It would be unbelievably dumb to screw with that by fixing the lottery when the whole NHL product is predicated by it being a fair league with equal opportunity to win. As if 14 - 15 billionaire owners are just going to idly stand by while their competition is given an illegal backdoor advantage. I'm pretty sure it would lead to criminal charges if proven.

It's all pretty silly unless someone has better evidence than some team won the lotto with poor odds. Try running the simulator or taking some math or stats classes. Expect to see far odds to hit at any iteration and normalize to expected numbers over time.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Its cool how you can flame on these boards as long as you sort of make it vague who you are referring to.

Like some fart who posted about how he finds certain points of views juvenile insufferable, incoherent nonsense.

 

[krutovsdonut]

The league would legitimize this by saying the mid market US teams need a bigger shot in the arm to retain interest than any Canadian team does.

the mavs getting 1oa on a 1.8% chance after the bizzaro world jokic trade makes it hard not to speculate about the possibility pro sport draft lotteries are sometimes a handy way to stealthily achieve desirable goals for sports leagues or certain owners.

and yes, if it did happen the owners might have endorsed it for all we know. or at least a majority of owners whose opinions matter to the league.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Sorry but its not.

The word is out now completely. We are not a serious organization and wont be until Aquaman is gone.

You're aware Aquilini became full owner 2006 right?
50% owner in 2004?
We weren't a serious organization with Mike Gillis as GM?
The Sedins as on and off ice leaders?
We weren't serious when we went to Game 7 of the Finals?
You can't be serious

 

[Andy Dufresne]

the mavs getting 1oa on a 1.8% chance after the bizzaro world jokic trade makes it hard not to speculate about the possibility pro sport draft lotteries are sometimes a handy way to stealthily achieve desirable goals for sports leagues or certain owners.

and yes, if it did happen the owners might have endorsed it for all we know. or at least a majority of owners whose opinions matter to the league.

Not the majority of owners, all of them, and all of them and anybody they might have to told have to maintain a code of silence. That's the thing about conspiracies that require a huge amount of people to remain silent: It's just not realistic that many people are going to keep their mouth shut. It's not human nature,

 

[krutovsdonut]

they have no reason to cook the draft results.

the opposite is true. there's no lack of motive for the league or owners. it's just catastrophic for the league if they are caught, so that would be the deterrent. if you did it you'd need to trust anyone involved to a very high degree. there would therefore need to be a way to do it requiring as few people as possible and it would need to be difficult or impossible to prove.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

You're aware Aquilini became full owner 2006 right?
50% owner in 2004?
We weren't a serious organization with Mike Gillis as GM?
The Sedins as on and off ice leaders?
We weren't serious when we went to Game 7 of the Finals?
You can't be serious

Are you responding to the right post...?

 

[F A N]

Are you responding to the right post...?

I think he clearly is.