Series Talk: [A1] Toronto Maple Leafs vs [WC1] Ottawa Senators | Part II (TOR lead 3-2)

[WATTAGE4451]

If you assume each game is independent, sure. But the reality is that’s likely not true, and you would need more than middle school math to understand that so not surprised many people on here wouldn’t get that.

But the majority of the teams in the statistic about teamsnthat won when up 3-0 already won in game 4 or game 5

 

[Oilslick941611]

I know a lot of his brand is about outrage and entertainment, but I genuinely feel sorry for the guy - having to pour your emotions out, live on stream, for everyone to see, and then do those recaps immediately after games, for a team that has given him NOTHING, is just brutal.

Deep down, you know hes a rational guy and its all an act, I dont like the leafs, but i like his content, even if they always get it wrong when talking about other teams, especially western teams.

 

[ACC1224]

It was most certainly a diving or embellishment penalty, I agree. Embarrassing. Marner got away with one. Probably why they didn't call Zub on JT. A lot of flopping going on. Not saying JT dove, should have been interference at least.

Yes, they could have given each player a penalty. Probably why they didn't bother to call either.

 

[crab]

You would have to expect the Leafs will be able to close it out in one of the next two but there biggest issue is their depth outside their highly paid core players + Knies. Understandably advanced stats aren’t perfect but look at the Leafs outside those players, they are getting caved in.

Their top players got paid $$$$ and it’s impacted the rest of the roster.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

I wonder if we'll see Marner given a fine for embellishing

 

[SpezDispenser]

You would have to expect the Leafs will be able to close it out in one of the next two but there biggest issue is their depth outside their highly paid core players + Knies. Understandably advanced stats aren’t perfect but look at the Leafs outside those players, they are getting caved in.

Their top players got paid $$$$ and it’s impacted the rest of the roster.

We must expect nothing of the sort!

 

[Golden_Jet]

I was comparing the situations, I responded to it. Regardless, Interference is Interference.
If you don't understand what Interference means there are resources to help you.
Start with this, watch the video again and let us know if you have any questions.

Again I was ok with them not calling it.

lol, he skated right through the crease, and Ullmark pushed him out of it, and Marner flops to the ice and whines.
Only call the refs could of made was embellishment on Marner.

 

[TheShape]

The question I've always had is whether those 4 players in particular would have the same reputations if they weren't on the same team. Like everybody has shitty games in the playoffs, you just hope that all of your best players don't all have one at the same time, which seems to be what happens in these situations. Or maybe occasionally one of them is going (usually Nylander, historically?) but the rest have off nights.

On most contending teams I feel like these guys would have quiet games but they wouldn't get grilled for it nearly as hard because another line would step up, or because their linemates were able to drag them out of it, etc.; but when your linemates and the other lines also turn into ghosts there's nowhere to hide.

None of them are the alpha, they're all of the same disposition. You can get away with one core guy having these traits but definitely not all. That's what amazes me, the fact that one can't step up and put a stamp on an elimination game.

At the end of the day it's on the organization, this core showed exactly who they were years ago. There needed to be a serious shakeup after the Habs '21 series. MLSE aren't serious about winning.

 

[ACC1224]

lol, he skated right through the crease, and Ullmark pushed him out of it, and Marner flops to the ice and whines.
Only call the refs could of made was embellishment on Marner.

Not if you watch the replay.

 

[ACC1224]

I wonder if we'll see Marner given a fine for embellishing

Did Louganis get one the other night?

 

[umma gumma]

Yes, they could have given each player a penalty. Probably why they didn't bother to call either.

It only looked like interference because Marner flopped. Goalies shove players skating by their crease all of the time.

 

[bert]

I was comparing the situations, I responded to it. Regardless, Interference is Interference.
If you don't understand what Interference means there are resources to help you.
Start with this, watch the video again and let us know if you have any questions.

Again I was ok with them not calling it.

Players also have a responsibility to stay on their own feet as they made the NHL and if you go down from a small push then its not a penalty. Maybe they could have taken both of them like Greig and Stolarz but that wasnt the same situation.

If you dont understand what a DIVE is there are man means of resources to help you.

 

[Summer Rose]

Imagine paying $400+ per ticket and not even getting to hear the goal horn go off even once.

Last game I went to, my team got blown out 8-0. My team was the visiting team so it's not like I was going to hear the goal horn if we scored.

However, I did not leave the game early.

 

[floridada]

Y'all wonder why Leaf fans are obnoxious. Every time they lose a game HF celebrates like they won a cup. Annoying

This is all HFs fault!

 

[Oilslick941611]

This is all HFs fault!

cause last time worked out so well.

 

[DueDiligence]

None of this matters when their top players disappear when it counts.

Tanev has been the Leafs MVP so far this series. That's not a good thing.

Tanev is a playoff warrior. Matthews, Marner and Nylander are talented but soft. There's no dawg in them.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Not if you watch the replay.

Lmao, he went right through the blue paint, it’s not debatable.
Here is the replay, You’re talking about

 

[tempofound]

There are 25 cases in Stanley Cup history where a team went up 3-0 only for the other team to win the next 2.

Famously there are only 4 cases where the comeback team ended up winning the series.

This would indicate a 16% chance of Ottawa taking the series.

Incidentally, we could also assume that Toronto has won 3, Ottawa 2, so Ottawa has a 40% chance per game to win, needs to win 2, so has a 0,4*0,4=16% chance of winning the series. Both approaches give the same answer.

So Ottawa has 16% statistically.

 

[umma gumma]

Not if you watch the replay.

I think you need to watch it as he is mosty certainly in the crease, which is why they didn't call one on Ullmark. Stay out of the blue. Marner got away with one.

 

[Gizmoskevich]

There are 25 cases in Stanley Cup history where a team went up 3-0 only for the other team to win the next 2.

Famously there are only 4 cases where the comeback team ended up winning the series.

This would indicate a 16% chance of Ottawa taking the series.

Incidentally, we could also assume that Toronto has won 3, Ottawa 2, so Ottawa has a 40% chance per game to win, needs to win 2, so has a 0,4*0,4=16% chance of winning the series. Both approaches give the same answer.

So Ottawa has 16% statistically.

What about if we add Samoa Joe to the mix?

 

[jbeck5]

Not if you watch the replay.

If you actually watch the replay, the only call to be made was embellishment on Marner.

Clear dive. Lucky he didn't get called.

But I guess you didn't watch the replay where everyone is laughing at and saying "dive". There are multiple angles and every angle has everyone saying "dive".

 

[jbeck5]

Lmao, he went right through the blue paint, it’s not debatable.
Here is the replay, You’re talking about

Wow what a dive.

 

[BonMorrison]

What about if we add Samoa Joe to the mix?

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Well you can't add Kurt Angle cause Kurt Angle KNOOOWS he can't beat them and he won't even try.

 

[Sting]

Yeah when you watch that play over, there is no world where a one handed Ullmark pushing Marner is going to throw him to the ice. Marner, as well as many other Leaf players, were trying to sell calls all game long as it seems to be the only way they can consistently score.

The best part is they were doing it so much that eventually the crowd was booing the refs for every single hit against lol. "You're not allowed to touch us while we try to score!!!"

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

It's so pathetic. Little mouse Marner has always done this when he isn't allowed to freewheel the entire game without contact like in the regular season.

13.5M x 8, get 'errrr done Treliving.

There isn't a fanbase in the league that wouldn't love Marner on their team.
As a nucks fan I selfishly want the leafs to lose so they blow it up and let Marner walk, giving my team a shot at signing him. Sure his dad's a dick and he was immature in years past but I blame the laissez-faire culture created by the club under Shanny and Dubas.

I actually think that core just isn't built to take the next step in the playoffs but I don't put that on Marner, I just don't think it's the right mix especially because the guy paid to score isnt.
I see Marner more like a Pippen not an MJ but vitally important to any winning team
Marner is worth a ton, not sure the number you said but around what Miko got. Another guy clearly valuable but more a robin than a batman as we've seen since losing Nate.

Bottom line from my teams POV Marner would elevate EP with the added bonus of Quinn doing the same for Marner. The three of them on the ice with their IQ's imo would be a perfect fit.