Series Talk: [A1] Toronto Maple Leafs vs [WC1] Ottawa Senators | Part II (TOR lead 3-1)

[AvroArrow]

Totally different from the Barkov circumstance. JT was heading to the front of the net. Zub was already in that ice. That’s a hockey play.

Laughable

So if a guy is going towards the net, you're allowed to elbow him in the head ? That's not a hockey play at all, he lets go of the stick and gets the elbow up.

 

[AvroArrow]

Get a 4 minute double minor in OT to clinch the series.

Still complain about the refs.

Tavares returned to the game.

Can't read a post

Thinks elbowing your opponent in the head is ok because they had powerplays in the game

 

[Korpse]

Domi (hitting Pinto? On the face off) gets called for a lesser version of what happened to JT via Zub. That’s the frustrating part.

I’d say the guy boxing out and accidentally catching a player is the lesser version. Rather than Domi getting a shot to Pinto’s head in a very obvious and intentional way during a faceoff.

 

[Fatass]

Laughable

So if a guy is going towards the net, you're allowed to elbow him in the head ? That's not a hockey play at all, he lets go of the stick and gets the elbow up.

Your opinion is fine. Imo the Hagel hit on Barkov is not comparable to Tavares driving to the net and colliding with Zub.
They are completely different circumstances.

 

[AvroArrow]

Your opinion is fine. Imo the Hagel hit on Barkov is not comparable to Tavares driving to the net and colliding with Zub.
They are completely different circumstances.

Yes, getting hit in the head is far worse than shoulder to chest

 

[Bust]

So what? That goes both ways.

Sens got called for borderline interference on Marner, then moments later after the PK, Batherson is interfered almost exactly the same way with no call.

Both sides can go back and forth on calls/missed calls all night. There's absolutely zero point to it. All that matters is the end result.

For what it's worth, the Zub incident should absolutely be a penalty - was it not called because of OT or the ref not seeing it? Who knows.

Borderline interference happens literally all game. It is a hockey play.

A hit To the face/head is not a hockey play. Similar to not having control of your stick being a penalty, not being in control and catching someone up high is an easy call, hence the frustration.

Should be an easy call, but those seem to be the ones the refs miss consistently.

 

[Fatass]

Yes, getting hit in the head is far worse than shoulder to chest

Again, these two situations are not comparable. You can argue otherwise, of course. It’s your opinion. However, the league suspended Hagel and there was no disciplinary action against Zub. Your opinion differs from the league on if these two incidents are comparable; not just mine.
IMO Zub could have been called for an elbow. But it also looks like Tavares skates into Zub, and initiates the contact. But that’s my opinion.

 

[Fatass]

Borderline interference happens literally all game. It is a hockey play.

A hit To the face/head is not a hockey play. Similar to not having control of your stick being a penalty, not being in control and catching someone up high is an easy call, hence the frustration.

Should be an easy call, but those seem to be the ones the refs miss consistently.

But it’s not always a definite call if there is head contact. There are rules (posted here before in similar threads) that govern incidental head contact.
This is where interpretation of events comes into play, opinions form, and argument occurs. It’s not cut and dry.

 

[AvroArrow]

Again, these two situations are not comparable. You can argue otherwise, of course. It’s your opinion. However, the league suspended Hagel and there was no disciplinary action against Zub. Your opinion differs from the league on if these two incidents are comparable; not just mine.
IMO Zub could have been called for an elbow. But it also looks like Tavares skates into Zub, and initiates the contact. But that’s my opinion.

Hagel interfered on Barkov, hit him shoulder to chest, puck was nowhere near Barkov

Zub elbowed Tavares in the head, elbow to head, puck was nowhere near Tavares

You're trying to justify elbowing him in the head by saying, Zub was standing still therefore it is acceptable for him to take one hand off the stick, get his elbow up and hit his opponent in the head

 

[AuraSphere]

At what point would it make sense to give Woll a chance in goal. It's a tricky situation at this point to not go with Stolarz... if Woll loses it, coach would be under heat

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

One loss and leaf fans melt down
You guys are probably still going to win the series. Relax lol

 

[Fatass]

Hagel interfered on Barkov, hit him shoulder to chest, puck was nowhere near Barkov

Zub elbowed Tavares in the head, elbow to head, puck was nowhere near Tavares

You're trying to justify elbowing him in the head by saying, Zub was standing still therefore it is acceptable for him to take one hand off the stick, get his elbow up and hit his opponent in the head

Which is your opinion and that’s fine. The league disagrees with your opinion, as do I. These two situations are not comparable.

 

[Fatass]

At what point would it make sense to give Woll a chance in goal. It's a tricky situation at this point to not go with Stolarz... if Woll loses it, coach would be under heat

There would need to be an injury to Stolarz. He’s played really well and his club is up 3 games to 1. This series is over (imo) next game.

 

[Hockeylife2018]

Losing this series in 7 would be the most leafs thing ever....I'm invested now

 

[bert]

I’d say the guy boxing out and accidentally catching a player is the lesser version. Rather than Domi getting a shot to Pinto’s head in a very obvious and intentional way during a faceoff.

Butt End too with intention. If anyone thinks these are the same thing they probably dont understand the sport on a basic level.

 

[bert]

Funny how Leafs fans were all like "shots on goal don't matter, because they where all low quality shots from the outside" when the Sens badly outshot the Leafs in games 1 and 2.

Now they're all like "wow, the Leafs kept the Sens to so few shots on goal, the Sens are so lucky", despite the fact that the Sens had far more high danger chances.

You know what they say about leafs.... They blow in whatever way the wind happens to be going. We shouldnt be suprised. Never seen a more insecure group of fans, they are up 3-1 going home. They deserve to be up, they have a great team but its just never enough for this group of people.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

One loss and leaf fans melt down
You guys are probably still going to win the series. Relax lol

We had fans melting down after the wins too, doesn't affect much but their own mental health.

 

[elmaco]

Ottawa pulls an epic reverse sweep comeback to ruin the Leafs forever.

 

[Strangle]

Again, these two situations are not comparable. You can argue otherwise, of course. It’s your opinion. However, the league suspended Hagel and there was no disciplinary action against Zub. Your opinion differs from the league on if these two incidents are comparable; not just mine.
IMO Zub could have been called for an elbow. But it also looks like Tavares skates into Zub, and initiates the contact. But that’s my opinion.

Ya but honestly who really thinks the league is right on most of these things in the first place?

 

[flyingfingers]

What’s interesting about this series is that the Leafs could easily say “we played well last night and could have easily swept, but just didn’t get the bounces or the save,” and they’d be right.

But the Senators could easily say “we played well in games 2 and 3 and could easily be up 3-1, but just didn’t get the bounces or the save,” and they’d also be right.

Leafs are no doubt in a better position, but both teams have reason to call themselves confident.

It’s even the same within individual games. Last night, the Leafs kept the Sens to 4 shots in the 2nd and 3rd. They can tell themselves great work don’t change a thing! But the Sens still had a lot of ozone time and lots of shot attempts that either missed the net or were blocked. So they can tell themselves that they played well and just got a bit unlucky!

The truth, of course, is in the middle.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

Wouldn't be surprised if the Sens won the next game and everyone's like oh boy here we go, but eh the Leafs got 3 more chances to get it done.

Honestly it's probably a good thing for them in the big picture that this series extends. They were potentially looking at over a week break waiting for the winner from that Florida series. (knock on wood that they actually win though)

 

[flyingfingers]

Wouldn't be surprised if the Sens won the next game and everyone's like oh boy here we go, but eh the Leafs got 3 more chances to get it done.

Honestly it's probably a good thing for them in the big picture that this series extends. They were potentially looking at over a week break waiting for the winner from that Florida series. (knock on wood that they actually win though)

Maybe, but maybe not. The Leafs are playing much differently this year, as they needed to. But it’s a much harder way to play.

Look at the sheer number of shots they’re blocking, led by Tanev.

With that style of play, you’re probably better off with extra rest. With every extra game, there’s a chance one of those shot blocks hits you somewhere you don’t want it to hit you.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Ask @HockeyVirus

He's made me a man on a mission

You seem rather... Impatient.

 

[Roo]

Good win for Ottawa. Ullmark won the battle in goal and got the break in OT.

I liked the Leafs game. They played well enough to win but their PP failed them. It won’t click every single night. If the Leafs keep playing the same way the series will be over in 5 or 6.

 

[Filatov2Kovalev2Bonk]

We`ve never won a game 7 but the Leafs are spotty in game 7s in the post-lockout era.

It`s a toss-up but right now, doubt is gnawing at everyone from MLSE to Shanny to Berube to `Col. Sanders`behind the Leafs bench. Would not be surprised if the Leafs gave up an outrageous shot advantage in period 1 Tuesday. Ullmark has, at long last, understood his job is stopping pucks.
If he keeps it up, this series will get interesting in a hurry.

Had Sens in 5, Sens in 7 for a new chapter? We shall see, We shall see indeed.