A team from Florida will be competing in the Stanley Cup final for the 6th year in a row

[Sol]

I think anyone who thinks Florida is winning because of tax exemption is wrong. I do think if you have a real good GM then it helps a lot to have tax exemptions. Not one of us worth their salt would choose to be taxed heavily vs not being taxed at all.

 

[StrangeVision]

Panther fans definitely know all about that or are you another bandwagon fan?

Bud, the Panthers spent most of my life in the gutter, you think I give one single flying f*** what any other fan thinks of the Panthers? And guess what, the few of us that remained didn't bitch and moan about not being good, or look for bullshit excuses for why other teams were better. Right now the Panthers are the reigning champs and I'm going to ride this high for as long as I can. F*** all of 'em.

 

[Little Fury]

Bud, the Panthers spent most of my life in the gutter, you think I give one single flying f*** what any other fan thinks of the Panthers? And guess what, the few of us that remained didn't bitch and moan about not being good, or look for bullshit excuses for why other teams were better. Right now the Panthers are the reigning champs and I'm going to ride this high for as long as I can. F*** all of 'em.

Given that you're here arguing with us, I'd say yes, yes you do.

 

[holy]

I think anyone who thinks Florida is winning because of tax exemption is wrong. I do think if you have a real good GM then it helps a lot to have tax exemptions. Not one of us worth their salt would choose to be taxed heavily vs not being taxed at all.

So in essence it does make a difference?

 

[greatwhitenorth]

I think anyone who thinks Florida is winning because of tax exemption is wrong. I do think if you have a real good GM then it helps a lot to have tax exemptions. Not one of us worth their salt would choose to be taxed heavily vs not being taxed at all.

Not solely because, it's a multi-factored equation, but to deny the advantage exposes an individuals lack of understanding.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Given that you're here arguing with us, I'd say yes, yes you do.

Exactly what I was going to say.

 

[Sol]

So in essence it does make a difference?

Only in the right circumstances. Like it didn’t matter back then when Florida was ran like crap. My point being that it only matters in the context circumstances.

 

[avocadosmoothie]

Bud, the Panthers spent most of my life in the gutter, you think I give one single flying f*** what any other fan thinks of the Panthers? And guess what, the few of us that remained didn't bitch and moan about not being good, or look for bullshit excuses for why other teams were better. Right now the Panthers are the reigning champs and I'm going to ride this high for as long as I can. F*** all of 'em.

obviously you didn't look for excuses cause there are none when Florida has all the advantages under the sun

 

[Little Fury]

You guys act like you are somehow superior to us. When it is simply not true.

You are not better fans that are more passionate. You simply have more fans from simply being around longer and less other things to spend money on.

The jokes about fans are old "Our parade would be bigger" or "you won't have fans in 5 years" you know how dumb tat sounds?

We have McDonalds in Canada too you know.

 

[Gizmoskevich]

obviously you didn't look for excuses cause there are none when Florida has all the advantages under the sun

Buddy all you do is post complaints about Florida and taxes on here. I don't even think you watch the games.

 

[Felidae]

So many passionate fans in hockey markets won’t get to experience a cup win because of cap tax evasion and NHL favoritism. People in Florida will celebrate, forget the next day, and get back to being the worst drivers in the States. This cup win would mean a million times more to the city of Edmonton than Miami/Sunrise.

It’s special when the cup goes to a city where is cherished and celebrated for years instead of looked as an afterthought.

Amen brother.

It's not only Edmonton, but all of Canada cheering you on to end the 32 year cupless drought that we were robbed of last year.

 

[FinlandPanther]

Are you saying that Panther games aren't fun?

Eh. Pretty boring beating up the league

 

[FinlandPanther]

You guys have had like 5 winning seasons in 30 years lol. Or did you just start watching Hockey a few years ago?

I just started watching when we beat the Bruins every year.

 

[avocadosmoothie]

Buddy all you do is post complaints about Florida and taxes on here. I don't even think you watch the games.

like i said, Florida already has all the advantages under the sun, congrats on not being able to find any ones you didn't have

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Amen brother.

It's not only Edmonton, but all of Canada cheering you on to end the 32 year cupless drought that we were robbed of last year.

Yeah right , go florida!

 

[Gizmoskevich]

like i said, Florida already has all the advantages under the sun, congrats on not being able to find any ones you didn't have

Reading the constant whining is a pretty big disadvantage.

I can't wait for next year for Nashville and Seattle to dominate as well with their tax benefits. That's all it takes after all, not good pro scouts, amateur scouts, training staff, ownership willing to spend, smart hockey minds in executive positions, etc.

 

[HockeyVirus]

People have short memories. There’s a time even in the cap era both Florida teams were terrible

Due to a combination of being grossly mismanaged and the cap being fresh so efficiencies not being fully flushed out.

If you have two identically run teams, one has no tax and one does, it matters. That is an issue.

And BTW if Dallas makes it I believe it will be 9 of the last 10 teams to face in the cup final are from tax free states

 

[avocadosmoothie]

Reading the constant whining is a pretty big disadvantage.

I can't wait for next year for Nashville and Seattle to dominate as well with their tax benefits. That's all it takes after all, not good pro scouts, amateur scouts, training staff, ownership willing to spend, smart hockey minds in executive positions, etc.

nobody is saying that no tax gifts you a cup winner

lets say that two teams need a roster strength of 10 to win the cup.

the first team has none of the advantages and are able to build a 9.5 on their own merit.

the second team has all the advantages and are able to build a 9.5 on their own merit. but due to their advantages, the strength of their roster is pushed to a 10.

it's not as if having those advantages gifts you a 9.5. it's simply an unfair advantage that pushes you over the top. florida sucked for 20 years, because they sucked. they were a 5 or below. advantages do nothing for you in this scenario

it's quite easy to understand once someone's broken it down for you

 

[Zerotonine]

In before someone starts bitching about how being a tax free state trumps good drafting and GMing.

Lol to be fair I seen a clip the other day Reinhart makes 3 mill less then marner yet nets more. So please explain how that's not a HUGE advantage?

 

[Gizmoskevich]

nobody is saying that no tax gifts you a cup winner

lets say that two teams need a roster strength of 10 to win the cup.

the first team has none of the advantages and are able to build a 9.5 on their own merit.

the second team has all the advantages and are able to build a 9.5 on their own merit. but due to their advantages, the strength of their roster is pushed to a 10.

it's not as if having those advantages gifts you a 9.5. it's simply an unfair advantage that pushes you over the top. florida sucked for 20 years, because they sucked. they were a 5 or below. advantages do nothing for you in this scenario

it's quite easy to understand once someone's broken it down for you

Explain this to me then. Toronto is the richest team in the league and they can afford to have the best training facilities, a top-notch sports medicine team and trainers, the best amenities for their players and staff, unlimited money for whatever coaches they want to bring in, etc.

Is that not equal to your .5 boost in team strength when a team like Florida or Nashville might not be able to match? Where do we draw the line on what's considered "fair"?

 

[Summer Rose]

nobody is saying that no tax gifts you a cup winner

lets say that two teams need a roster strength of 10 to win the cup.

the first team has none of the advantages and are able to build a 9.5 on their own merit.

the second team has all the advantages and are able to build a 9.5 on their own merit. but due to their advantages, the strength of their roster is pushed to a 10.

it's not as if having those advantages gifts you a 9.5. it's simply an unfair advantage that pushes you over the top. florida sucked for 20 years, because they sucked. they were a 5 or below. advantages do nothing for you in this scenario

it's quite easy to understand once someone's broken it down for you

I kind of agree but think you might be overstating it, as I tend to think about the state/provincial tax (or lack thereof) in general.

I'm not saying it doesn't exist - it's obviously there. There are ways to minimize its effect when playing for a team in a higher income tax jurisdiction. It's an advantage (albeit not a "huge" one in my opinion), yes, but one of many that exist around the league depending on market (with each market having its own different set of advantages and disadvantages). Do they collectively all even each other out in the end? No, not really, I wouldn't say.

 

[avocadosmoothie]

Explain this to me then. Toronto is the richest team in the league and they can afford to have the best training facilities, a top-notch sports medicine team and trainers, the best amenities for their players and staff, unlimited money for whatever coaches they want to bring in, etc.

Is that not equal to your .5 boost in team strength when a team like Florida or Nashville might not be able to match? Where do we draw the line on what's considered "fair"?

that stuff is entirely within the team's control, it just depends on whether or not they want to spend the money. if they don't, that may be reflected in their on-ice product and strength of their team. stuff that is entirely out of the control of ownership down that benefits certain teams and disadvantages others should be reasonable to label an unfair advantage

 

[DaaaaB's]

I just started watching when we beat the Bruins every year.

So three years it is. The Dolphins are never going to win anything so I guess you needed a bandwagon to jump on lol.

 

[avocadosmoothie]

I kind of agree but think you might be overstating it, as I tend to think about the state/provincial tax (or lack thereof) in general.

I'm not saying it doesn't exist - it's obviously there. There are ways to minimize its effect when playing for a team in a higher income tax jurisdiction. It's an advantage (albeit not a "huge" one in my opinion), yes, but one of many that exist around the league depending on market (with each market having its own different set of advantages and disadvantages). Do they collectively all even each other out in the end? No, not really, I wouldn't say.

You think so? They always say that hockey is a game with the thinnest of margins, where one bounce or post means everything. In a 7 game series, where the last game might be won by a score of 3-2, is it not reasonable to believe that the outcome would have been different if a team was not able to ice a roster that would be 5M+ over the cap if some of their contracts, especially top end contracts, were signed somewhere else?

 

[DaaaaB's]

Yeah right , go florida!

Can't really blame you since no one outside Quebec was cheering for the Habs when they had their incredibly flukey run to the finals five years ago.