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A team from Florida will be competing in the Stanley Cup final for the 6th year in a row

Sounds like you're afraid of Quebec City getting the Nordiques back. You can call it a conspiracy if you want but it's a fact that Bettman doesn't want more teams in Canada.
Honestly, I don't blame him.

You can only fit so many teams in a league and QC is a very small market.

At the end of the day, Bettman is not only not anti-Canadian, I don't even think he's even pro-American. He's pro-business.
 
Sounds like you're afraid of Quebec City getting the Nordiques back. You can call it a conspiracy if you want but it's a fact that Bettman doesn't want more teams in Canada.
When Gary was hired the owners wanted him to grow the game. He's done a good job at it. The number of American players is growing. In fact I believe the number of youth registered players in the US is higher than Canada.

The problem with Canadian teams is who can afford the expansion fees?
A team in Hamilton would also have to deal with Buffalo and Toronto.
No one in Quebec has a billion dollars for an expansion team.
 
Some times Americans are arrogant, just like Canadians can be.
I remember when the Blue Jays won 2 world series in a row, the crap spewed by some in the states.
Kill Wild Thing! was the sentiment I remember most.
Accessibility is the biggest difference here. I assume things are the same there as they are here in that who gets to use the rink is heavily linked to family income levels. I learned to skate for free outside. I got to play (shinny) for free....parents never had money so that is all I got. It was as obtainable to us as it is for a kid to go to the park and shoot hoops. That level of access is what creates the true disparity in fan bases and we will never get around that.
That will always be the biggest difference.
Being able to just go outside and ice skate.
 
This. Leaf fans for example, have worshipped at the altar of the fraud 4 for 9 years now, and then act shocked when its the same failure year after year. Maybe if they wouldnt eagerly lap up every minor roster move and coach/GM change like a naive puppy, things would change. But nope, every year its the "best team ever."

Fans have the power to run players out of town. Use it
Thats not historically true, i give this exapmle

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When Gary was hired the owners wanted him to grow the game. He's done a good job at it. The number of American players is growing. In fact I believe the number of youth registered players in the US is higher than Canada.

The problem with Canadian teams is who can afford the expansion fees?
A team in Hamilton would also have to deal with Buffalo and Toronto.
No one in Quebec has a billion dollars for an expansion team.
Idk there's quite number of billionaires in Canada or it could be an ownership group like many sports teams in the past have done. The Leafs and Sabres are definitely an obstacle to overcome but they just need to be told to f*** off.

America has 10x the population so not surprising if they do have more youth players registered. Of course if it wasn't for Canadian snowbirds and tourists the teams in Florida and some other places would've folded years ago which certainly wouldn't help grow the game in America.
 
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Thats not historically true, i give this exapmle

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Maybe somethings going right over my head because I was only born in one of these years, but what is the point youre trying to make here?

What I'm seeing is declining attendance in Edmonton at a time where they (1) sold the best player in hockey and (2) the Canadian dollar and economy took a massive shit.

If youre saying Edmonton fans voted with their wallets to voice their displeasure with the team, then good on them. I wish the Leafs fans would do the same
 
Tax advantage did them no good for about 20 years. Maybe... just maybe... it has to do with them putting together a great team via draft and trades?
Maybe...just maybe....money matters more than it used to. 30% of 10m is a lot more money lost than 30% of 3m. Idk why Florida fans try to downplay the location and tax advantage.
 
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Honestly, I don't blame him.

You can only fit so many teams in a league and QC is a very small market.

At the end of the day, Bettman is not only not anti-Canadian, I don't even think he's even pro-American. He's pro-business.
The number of people is not what determines the size of a market. For example, Congo is not a good market for ice hockey expansion even if it has 100 million people.
 
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Maybe somethings going right over my head because I was only born in one of these years, but what is the point youre trying to make here?

What I'm seeing is declining attendance in Edmonton at a time where they (1) sold the best player in hockey and (2) the Canadian dollar and economy took a massive shit.

If youre saying Edmonton fans voted with their wallets to voice their displeasure with the team, then good on them. I wish the Leafs fans would do the same
what i meant is that Canadian teams also can have declining attendance, its
not that Canada will always have max capacity no matter what.
 
The number of people is not what determines the size of a market. For example, Congo is not a good market for ice hockey expansion even if it has 100 million people.
I dont know how NHL does business, but every business seem to look for growth and thinking long term, in hindsight it would probably been good to have had a team
in Atlanta, i would guess even non hockey fans in Atlanta would jump on the train
if they went to the final if they have been there for 30 years and beeing known by probably
all of the community, just my speculation
 
Tax exempt gods + good GMs + good team = moneyyyy

I know people meme on it hurdur taxes don’t play a role, fact check playa they do.

There’s not one person in here that wouldn’t do more if they had their tax money hitting their bank account.
 
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Maybe...just maybe....money matters more than it used to. 30% of 10m is a lot more money lost than 30% of 3m. Idk why Florida fans try to downplay the location and tax advantage.

If the Panthers were basement dwellers they wouldn't be an attractive destination for players. It's that simple. Players for the most part want to win above all, they won't sign with bad teams just because they'll save on income tax.
 
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The 2020 playoffs were definitely different but I don’t think people realize how difficult that was. Imagine being sent to a hockey camp. You can’t leave or see your family or really anyone for 2 months. Just mostly play a game and practice for 2 months. I don’t doubt that some teams gave up and quit but that shouldn’t discredit Tampa Bay winning that year.
Getting paid millions and residing in luxury hotels to play hockey isn’t difficult no matter how you try to frame this.
 
Also, stop crying about tax free states and all this. You didn't hear any of this when the team sucked so why say it now? The bottom line is most hockey fans are miserable that their team sucks (mine does too) and isn't good enough to beat Florida. They should focus on putting pressure on their teams to improve instead of whining about "oh tax free" as if it f***ing guarantees success. You still have to build a team and play the games right? Every single time a team wins, people try to discredit them. How about this, your team isn't good enough and that's why they lost. Get better. Take responsibility and stop trying to take things away from teams that win.

Grow up. If the Rangers ever win again it will be "wahh they're NY, they get all the free agents!" Enough already.
This. 1000000% this.
 
I'll ignore my hatred of the shitbag NBA for a minute here. How many teams would the NBA need before another market in Canada should be legitimately considered? I could see Vancouver being maybe 32-36. But after that? It'd have to be 40+ teams before Montreal or Calgary are considered.

The reason there are 7 canadian teams in the NHL is because its hockey. Outside of that, Canada just doesnt have much for major league cities besides Toronto.

You have to tell me, because I have zero clue about how much interest there is in basketball in those cities. Could Montreal support an NBA team like the do the Habs? Would the coach have to be French speaking? Or the players? Vancouver and Montreal would be it I think. I don’t really care much anymore the NBA anyways. Saw my Heat win titles. I’m a South Florida sports fan, want the, all to win, but I really cried only when the Panthers won.
 
See, but those top two lines I hi-lighted are EXACTLY the reason people talk like that.

I grew up learning to skate on the frozen septic field until the dugout was safe enough ffs. I mean, my story here is not unique. While I never actually played competitive hockey (parents never had the money) I spent as much time as I could playing outdoor shinny. Sometimes even when temperatures hit close to -30 and you were taking real shifts in and out of the shack ;)

The NHL will always have fans like us up north.. Look at Oilers fans still selling out Rogers/Northlands when missing playofffs for a decade. Or Toronto. But that there is also part of the resentment. I mean, they don' need to cater to us. They will always have us. Even when jerseys are thrown on the ice. And that for the most part leads to sense of a lack of appreciation.


Then there is the bottom lines....where you can't just state your case without being a clueless dink,
You guys act like you are somehow superior to us. When it is simply not true.

You are not better fans that are more passionate. You simply have more fans from simply being around longer and less other things to spend money on.

The jokes about fans are old "Our parade would be bigger" or "you won't have fans in 5 years" you know how dumb tat sounds?
 
You guys act like you are somehow superior to us. When it is simply not true.

You are not better fans that are more passionate. You simply have more fans from simply being around longer and less other things to spend money on.

The jokes about fans are old "Our parade would be bigger" or "you won't have fans in 5 years" you know how dumb tat sounds?
Don't worry everybody knows it's just crybaby canadians crying again. We aren't all like that
 
Seems like the easy solution is to relocate all 7 Canadian teams to the southern United States where they will finally be able to compete without those horrible tax and weather disadvantages. It’s a win-win-win for all involved.
 
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Winning a cup in Canada won't grow the game.

Do you think if the habs win the cup more kids in Quebec will magically afford to play hockey?
Will Florida winning a cup make hockey there cheaper? No

Winning a cup in Canada won't grow the game.

Do you think if the habs win the cup more kids in Quebec will magically afford to play hockey?

Winning the cup and bringing hockey to small markets grows the game more , bigger athlete pool to pick from who might have never considered hockey since they weren't exposed to it.

Does AM34 exist if Arizona doesn't have a team?
Matthews played hockey regardless if Arizona won the cup or not. A Canadian winning the cup will create more attention, coverage and celebration. In this day and age, you don’t need your city to win a cup to be exposed to hockey. If Montreal wins, the sheer amount of attention on that within Quebec might actually inspire more people to play, if anything.
 

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