A question re: Morgan Rielly

[zeke]

the beauty of the pairing is that both Mo and TJ are so mobile that they can sqitch sides or cover for each other with ease.

 

[meefer]

the beauty of the pairing is that both Mo and TJ are so mobile that they can sqitch sides or cover for each other with ease.

I'm going to assume that you meant TB

But, because I know you like advanced stats, I'll ask, are there numbers which help answer my question? I'd guess, no. Only because I can't remember Mo playing RD to any measurable extent.

 

[Avilaj07]

If Rielly wants to stay and sign a contract under $8 million the Leafs 100% do it. You don't lose a top 15-20 D-man in all of hockey just because his defensive game isn't equal to his offensive game.

Rielly has averaged over 50 points the last 3 seasons and 1 season removed from finishing top 5 in Norris voting, pretty good for someone that lacks the iq.

If you're going to let Rielly walk you need to make sure you have an appropriate replacement...hint, there's none on the Leafs.

Once again, someone who just looks at stats to judge a player. Any decent defenseman could get 50+ points on our team when they're playing 24+minutes a night and getting top pp minutes. Judging by your theory, Erik Gustaffson, Tony DeAngelo, Torry Krug and other are all top 15 defensemen since they've scored more then 50 points.

Point is, while Rielly may get his points, it's his brutal defense that doesn't warrant him getting anything near 8 million a year.

 

[zeke]

I'm going to assume that you meant TB

But, because I know you like advanced stats, I'll ask, are there numbers which help answer my question? I'd guess, no. Only because I can't remember Mo playing RD to any measurable extent.

the only time I know Mo played right side regularly for sure was that brief time with muzzin back in their first year.

Muzzin-Rielly 18-19: 131.35min, 58.8xgf%

 

[meefer]

It's no secret that I'm not a huge fan of Rielly. Defensively he isn't good at all. He's constantly either getting beat to the outside or constantly over committing. His reads aren't good and has a very weak stick. As for offensively, he has all the tools but lacks the iq. Numerous times he holds onto the puck too long which either kills the play or he puts himself in a situation where there's no play at all.

If you remember his great season with Hainsey then you'd remember he just kept everything simple as opposed to forcing things. Rielly really needs to go back to focusing on defense and just keeping things simple offensively.

If I was Dubas, I'd definitely be hesitant on giving Rielly a massive extension and would keep my options open.

Friend, I won't/can't argue anything you've said. I'd ask, however, how does apply to the thread?

 

[meefer]

the only time I know Mo played right side regularly for sure was that brief time with muzzin back in their first year.

Muzzin-Rielly 18-19: 131.35min, 58.8xgf%

131 minutes its juicy, but I'd suggest (without knowing stats) that it provides a slice of the picture, but lacks depth...?

 

[Avilaj07]

Friend, I won't/can't argue anything you've said. I'd ask, however, how does apply to the thread?

Thread is literally called Morgan Rielly, and while my comments aren't directly related to the posters question, this thread is specifically about Morgan Rielly

 

[zeke]

131 minutes its juicy, but I'd suggest (without knowing stats) that it provides a slice of the picture, but lacks depth...?

of course.

but it's the only sample we have that I know for sure Rielly was the regular rightside D.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Rielly needs to be utilized to teams best advantage ... he is a world class skater with ok hands and limited vision ... for him to be at his best he needs support from his partner ... support must include defensive coverage and stopping da cycle ... da entire league knows it is very easy to cycle Morgan in his own end ... no secrets here ... they know he will chase after people and put himself in a bad position like video above shows ... he really needs to be taught how to angle a guy better and ride him using his big body into wall and free up pucks for himself ... he should be able to do this on his own by now ... and league will keep coming down his side every time until he gets it

 

[BAM]

Once again, someone who just looks at stats to judge a player. Any decent defenseman could get 50+ points on our team when they're playing 24+minutes a night and getting top pp minutes. Judging by your theory, Erik Gustaffson, Tony DeAngelo, Torry Krug and other are all top 15 defensemen since they've scored more then 50 points.

Point is, while Rielly may get his points, it's his brutal defense that doesn't warrant him getting anything near 8 million a year.

LMFAO

Then why didn't Barrie do it? Guy walked into the top pp unit because Rielly let him and what did he have to show for it?

There's a reason why your hockey opinions are given for free on this site, and those who are actually paid to watch and scout hockey list Rielly as a top 20 D-man in all of hockey.

 

[meefer]

Thread is literally called Morgan Rielly, and while my comments aren't directly related to the posters question, this thread is specifically about Morgan Rielly

You are correct! Scores Which is not the entirety of what I wrote when starting the thread, and which I think you'd know if you'd read my initial post. I apologize for my (earlier) comment.

 

[Avilaj07]

LMFAO

Then why didn't Barrie do it? Guy walked into the top pp unit because Rielly let him and what did he have to show for it?

There's a reason why your hockey opinions are given for free on this site, and those who are actually paid to watch and scout hockey list Rielly as a top 20 D-man in all of hockey.

Tyson Barrie was put in the worst possible situations when he was in this team under Babcock. Barrie under Keefe had 32 points in 47 games so let's not pretend like Barrie failed here completely. Imagine being a number 1 offensive defenseman on your team and running the 1pp only to come to Toronto and have Babcock make you play in a defensive role and getting 2pp time. He made Barrie play a role that Barrie hasn't played in his whole career and it failed miserably. While Barrie deserves some blame, he played his game under Keefe which is why you saw the Barrie we were supposed to get

 

[Tak7]

Tyson Barrie was put in the worst possible situations when he was in this team under Babcock. Barrie under Keefe had 32 points in 47 games so let's not pretend like Barrie failed here completely. Imagine being a number 1 offensive defenseman on your team and running the 1pp only to come to Toronto and have Babcock make you play in a defensive role and getting 2pp time. He made Barrie play a role that Barrie hasn't played in his whole career and it failed miserably. While Barrie deserves some blame, he played his game under Keefe which is why you saw the Barrie we were supposed to get

1. Outside of Keefe's first few games, we didn't ever see the "Barrie we were supposed to get" - the roaming offensive metronome from Colorado never came.
2. While he isn't a shutdown guy, he was still a serviceable guy in his own end and very good with zone denials and exits. We never saw that here.

 

[meefer]

Thank goodness this thread is about Tyson Barrie.

 

[IPS]

1. Outside of Keefe's first few games, we didn't ever see the "Barrie we were supposed to get" - the roaming offensive metronome from Colorado never came.
2. While he isn't a shutdown guy, he was still a serviceable guy in his own end and very good with zone denials and exits. We never saw that here.

Doesn't look like Edmonton's getting him either

 

[Buds17]

Forgive me, I'm unsure of how your comment about overcommitment applys. Really, all I'm trying to do is find out whether MR plays LD differently the RW. I see different defensive skills, I'm wondering if I am wrong. I see him moving right and then pivoting left. It provides opportunities for the O players. I don't/didn't see this happening when he shifted to RD. I've no vid to support my idea. I know this is a 'knitpicky' sort of question, but is my observation correct, does it affect the D as we know it?

I'm only asking questions. I'm quite happy to discuss, and hope that those who know better will contribute. It leads me to wonder if a better D corp can be developed, ie...

Muzzin Brodie
Dermott Rielly
Lehtonen/Sandin Holl
Sandin/Lehtonen Bogo

Just curious.

Rielly should be able to play his offhand side in spurts. He just appears to be best suited to his strong side over the longer stretch. Dermott's minutes would also have to increase dramatically in order to play in the top four, and at the expense of a Holl. The blueline seems to be set up fine as they are currently. Rielly's offensive and defensive numbers definitely look underwhelming. However, he's still averaging the highest minutes per game on a team with a 3-1 record.