A lull in McDavid's reign — is he off the pedestal?

[Juxta Position]

Lmao. Wow so you didn’t watch the series. Barkov DOGWALKED him. That’s what the best defensive forward in the league does.

was Barkov actually out walking his dog then when McDavid had back to back 4 point games, because he sure as f**k wasn't doing his job of shutting McDavid down.

 

[FinlandPanther]

was Barkov actually out walking his dog then when McDavid had back to back 4 point games, because he sure as f**k wasn't doing his job of shutting McDavid down.

Wow Mcdavid had 2 good games after Draisaitl hit Barkov in the head. How many points in the other 5? How many points in game 6 or 7? Barkov gave him 2 freebies and then took him to the park the other 5 days. DOGGY

Yeah, Barkov was really the difference maker when McDavid hit like half a dozen posts in Games 6 and 7.

Coping doesn’t change the fact Mcdavid was shut down consistently. Draisaitl was shut down too. Pretty easily too don’t forget that part.

 

[Jordan Belfort]

Barkov is better than Mcdavid.

 

[Albatros]

was Barkov actually out walking his dog then when McDavid had back to back 4 point games, because he sure as f**k wasn't doing his job of shutting McDavid down.

Even the other one of those two games McDavid recorded his first point to the 4:1 goal, after which Barkov was rested. McDavid running up the score to 7:1 had nothing to do with him.

Game five was the only game in the series that McDavid decided, and also there none of those goals were on Barkov. He was on the ice for a PP goal against on the opposite side guarding Draisaitl who wasn't involved (McDavid secondary assist), and for the EN goal in the end.

 

[PainForShane]

Save this "dunk" for the 1st season where McDavid is not far and away the best point producer in the NHL without historic empty net stat padding accounted for. The last person to beat his pts/game without ENP was Draisaitl in 2019.

I'm sorry man. McDavid is definitely a great player but he's not far and away the best point producer in the NHL this year at 5v5, it's not even close. In fact as of right now (just looked this up from NST, screenshot below), McDavid's points per 60 are still good, but not especially impressive so far this year.

P/60 at 5v5 isn't the only relevant stat (of course), and obviously P/60 has its own limitations. Just as obviously McDavid is still a great player and 1000x better than someone like Collin Graf or this year's version of Jamie Benn. But this year he hasn't been 'far and away the best point producer in the NHL,' what you said is completely wrong. It's not even remotely close

 

[Jordan Belfort]

I'm sorry man. McDavid is definitely a great player but he's not far and away the best point producer in the NHL this year at 5v5, it's not even close. In fact as of right now (just looked this up from NST, screenshot below), McDavid's points per 60 are still good, but not especially impressive so far this year.

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P/60 at 5v5 isn't the only relevant stat (of course), and obviously P/60 has its own limitations. Just as obviously McDavid is still a great player and 1000x better than someone like Collin Graf or this year's version of Jamie Benn. But this year he hasn't been 'far and away the best point producer in the NHL,' what you said is completely wrong. It's not even remotely close

Agreed.

He barely is a top 10 player this year yet everyone acts like he is a god.

 

[PainForShane]

Agreed.

He barely is a top 10 player this year yet everyone acts like he is a god.

Well, let's be fair here. He's still very comfortably a top 10 player this year (almost certainly still a top 3 player) and the only ppl acting like he's a God are delusional Oilers fans, which is understandable to some degree.

Even still, to me it's more than a bit weird they continue to get offended not everyone agrees with their crazy homer take, especially after everyone saw McD being mostly contained in what was by far the most important game of his life.

Like another poster said, this thread has become weird.

 

[crowfish]

I'm sorry man. McDavid is definitely a great player but he's not far and away the best point producer in the NHL this year at 5v5, it's not even close. In fact as of right now (just looked this up from NST, screenshot below), McDavid's points per 60 are still good, but not especially impressive so far this year.

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P/60 at 5v5 isn't the only relevant stat (of course), and obviously P/60 has its own limitations. Just as obviously McDavid is still a great player and 1000x better than someone like Collin Graf or this year's version of Jamie Benn. But this year he hasn't been 'far and away the best point producer in the NHL,' what you said is completely wrong. It's not even remotely close

Lmao what the hell is this embarrassing reply. Nobody cares about pts/per 60 5v5 or whatever nonsense advanced stat you want to cherry-pick. The fact that Aliaksei Protas ranks higher should tell you how worthless of a metric you are citing. That should have been your first clue, that is where your brain should kick in and say "wait a minute, Aliaksei Protras isn't as good at getting points as Connor McDavid, maybe my stat is nonsense"

 

[daver]

Save this "dunk" for the 1st season where McDavid is not far and away the best point producer in the NHL without historic empty net stat padding accounted for. The last person to beat his pts/game without ENP was Draisaitl in 2019.

Kucherov in 21/22.

Lmao what the hell is this embarrassing reply. Nobody cares about pts/per 60 5v5 or whatever nonsense advanced stat you want to cherry-pick. The fact that Aliaksei Protas ranks higher should tell you how worthless of a metric you are citing. That should have been your first clue, that is where your brain should kick in and say "wait a minute, Aliaksei Protras isn't as good at getting points as Connor McDavid, maybe my stat is nonsense"

Says the promoter of ESPPG.

 

[Juxta Position]

Barkov is better than Mcdavid.

....at not being as good at hockey? correct.

 

[mcdingdong]

I'm sorry man. McDavid is definitely a great player but he's not far and away the best point producer in the NHL this year at 5v5, it's not even close. In fact as of right now (just looked this up from NST, screenshot below), McDavid's points per 60 are still good, but not especially impressive so far this year.

View attachment 957121

P/60 at 5v5 isn't the only relevant stat (of course), and obviously P/60 has its own limitations. Just as obviously McDavid is still a great player and 1000x better than someone like Collin Graf or this year's version of Jamie Benn. But this year he hasn't been 'far and away the best point producer in the NHL,' what you said is completely wrong. It's not even remotely close

Remember the names Nikita Chibrikov and Collin Graf. I've seen some funny posts on this site, and this is...certainly one of them. Holy hell.

 

[Cup or Bust]

Lmao what the hell is this embarrassing reply. Nobody cares about pts/per 60 5v5 or whatever nonsense advanced stat you want to cherry-pick. The fact that Aliaksei Protas ranks higher should tell you how worthless of a metric you are citing. That should have been your first clue, that is where your brain should kick in and say "wait a minute, Aliaksei Protras isn't as good at getting points as Connor McDavid, maybe my stat is nonsense"

Points per 60 is easily the most moronic stat there is. I cannot believe anyone takes that seriously.

 

[crowfish]

Kucherov in 21/22.



Says the promoter of ESPPG.

First off, what is ESPPG? If I am accused of promoting it I would like to know what it is. Even strength pts/game??

And man, just stop

Kucherov in 47 games played had 1.404 pts/game vs McDavids 1.4 pts/game in 80 games played

How hard do you need to reach to try and deny reality? Just accept I am right and stop wasting so much mental energy. It must be exhausting for these anti-McDavid guys. Nonstop relentless denial. How am I getting quote posted over a .004 ppg difference when the guy played 33 less games

 

[Video Nasty]

Agreed.

He barely is a top 10 player this year yet everyone acts like he is a god.

You left the site for two years because of that god.

 

[Coffey]

I'm sorry man. McDavid is definitely a great player but he's not far and away the best point producer in the NHL this year at 5v5, it's not even close. In fact as of right now (just looked this up from NST, screenshot below), McDavid's points per 60 are still good, but not especially impressive so far this year.

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P/60 at 5v5 isn't the only relevant stat (of course), and obviously P/60 has its own limitations. Just as obviously McDavid is still a great player and 1000x better than someone like Collin Graf or this year's version of Jamie Benn. But this year he hasn't been 'far and away the best point producer in the NHL,' what you said is completely wrong. It's not even remotely close

Weird, why does Quanthockey have different numbers?

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Save this "dunk" for the 1st season where McDavid is not far and away the best point producer in the NHL without historic empty net stat padding accounted for. The last person to beat his pts/game without ENP was Draisaitl in 2019.

To be fair, Nathan Mackinnon has been better than McDavid offensively 5v5 for a few years now.

I find the “empty net” points argument kind of odd. “Let’s bash Nathan Mackinnon for being Colorado’s best shutdown centre and being sent out to defend leads every night and being very successful in doing so” lol.

Since Jan 1, 2023 (two full calendar years) Nathan Mackinnon is the leagues best point producer 5v5. That doesn’t include empty net goals so you can give that weak argument up.

Mackinnon 169 games played, 62 goals, 93 assists. 0.917 points/game at 5v5

Mcdavid: 156 games played, 46 goals, 88 assists. 0.859 points/game at 5v5

The premise of this thread talking about the last two games for Mcdavid is childish stuff no doubt. But the premise of someone potentially being better than him definitely isn’t.

 

[NextGoalIsHuge]

Wow. This is a crazy topic. Normally, as a Canucks fan, I'd LOVE to suggest McDavid is somewhat lesser than he is. Though this topic just seems to be an excuse to troll Oiler fans with cherry-picked stats.
I'm out.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

Barkov is better than Mcdavid.

Mods, please rename the Ignore button to Troll Slayer.

 

[KlefDown]

same energy as this

haters will be praying on his downfall till his very last game

 

[NeverForget06]

7 pages of straight garbage lol

 

[daver]

Kucherov in 47 games played had 1.404 pts/game vs McDavids 1.4 pts/game in 80 games played

How hard do you need to reach to try and deny reality? Just accept I am right and stop wasting so much mental energy. It must be exhausting for these anti-McDavid guys. Nonstop relentless denial. How am I getting quote posted over a .004 ppg difference when the guy played 33 less games

You said he was "far and away" the best point producer in the league. He has only been that in one full non-covid affected season.

 

[5 14 6 1]

McDavid has been very good this year, but Draisaitl is playing at levels we've never before seen. Best player on the Oilers right now.

McDavid in the playoffs last year shows he is just fine lol.

Either way him being on a 125 point pace for the fifth straight year and being accused of falling off is pretty funny.

 

[crowfish]

To be fair, Nathan Mackinnon has been better than McDavid offensively 5v5 for a few years now.

I find the “empty net” points argument kind of odd. “Let’s bash Nathan Mackinnon for being Colorado’s best shutdown centre and being sent out to defend leads every night and being very successful in doing so” lol.

Since Jan 1, 2023 (two full calendar years) Nathan Mackinnon is the leagues best point producer 5v5. That doesn’t include empty net goals so you can give that weak argument up.

Mackinnon 169 games played, 62 goals, 93 assists. 0.917 points/game at 5v5

Mcdavid: 156 games played, 46 goals, 88 assists. 0.859 points/game at 5v5


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The premise of this thread talking about the last two games for Mcdavid is childish stuff no doubt. But the premise of someone potentially being better than him definitely isn’t.

I want to know why we are talking about 5v5 stats when my post had nothing to do with 5v5. Do you need to switch the topic to try and score points against what I said? That is probably a sign you have no argument, otherwise you wouldn't bother reaching with stats irrelevant to what I posted.

As for 5v5 points, I would be very interested to see his 5v5 numbers when Makar is not on the ice. Every Avs game I have watched is pretty much an all-star game 5v5 with MacKinnon out there with Rantanen & Makar. 2 absolute studs at their position, Makar is probably the best D in the league & Rantanen is top 3 at wing. McDavid has never played 1 minute of ice time with a defenceman or winger that good, let alone both at the same time. He is currently playing with Connor Brown & RNH, and as good as Bouchard is he is certainly not Cale Makar.

And the empty net argument is very clearly a valid one. When pts/game is being referenced it is in spirit to say who the best at scoring points is. Nobody cares who can score freebie points at the end of the game. Even if MacKinnon is getting them because "He is a true shutdown center", okay great. That means he is better at being a shutdown center than McDavid, but the relevant topic is who is better at producing points. I wouldn't even reference empty net points if it wasn't some crazy outlier, but MacKinnon is pacing for 22+ empty net points, which would shatter the current record by 50% lol. He has an 11-0 advantage vs McDavid. So no, you are not going to convince me it is not a relevant thing to factor in when comparing pts/game (especially on a 40-game sample)

 

[Video Nasty]

I find the “empty net” points argument kind of odd. “Let’s bash Nathan Mackinnon for being Colorado’s best shutdown centre and being sent out to defend leads every night and being very successful in doing so” lol.

Here’s what it is. Few actually care that anyone collects empty net points. The more, the better, I say, since I want to see more 140+ point seasons, regardless of who gets them.

You’re seeing people good-naturedly give back what Kucherov fans dealt with from MacKinnon fans in particular all last season.

MacKinnon supporters don’t seem to get the joke, or understand they were doing the same thing in earnest last season and now they must take their medicine. In fact, no one ever cared about ENP until it was clear MacKinnon might fall short of the Art Ross, which he ultimately did.

 

[VainGretzky]

You said he was "far and away" the best point producer in the league. He has only been that in one full non-covid affected season.

He has had the best PPG per season all but one of those years, and take away empty net points he was the best that season