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Salary Cap: a 'good' problem to have

Is this the Leafs board?

I hope the Leafs sign Marner to a $12M/year extension and get stuck with Marleau/Zaitsev for another year.
 
Toronto is going to be fine. But I think they are going to jettison the wrong blue liners Zaitsev is a solid 2nd liner at a good price. They're gonna get pennies on the dollar for him, lose Gardiner for nothing, and then lose Muzzin for nothing next year. Gonna be tough to get over the hump with that happening and us and Tampa in the first 2 rounds of the playoffs.

Reilly+Muzzin+ 4 guys making 1 mil a year would scare me and thats what their blue line is shaping up to be next year.


Re us this run has raised the price on a lot of guys. I am more than happy to bite the bullet on McAvoy/Carlo/Krug give me that core going forward. If I am Sweeney I am begging Coyle to extend around 5 per and Mojo to take that prior to July 1 when a bigger offer will come. K Miller has likely played his last game for us but I think Moore might be the eventual Chara replacement when that day comes he can slot up I don't need the guy to contend for Norris trophys just eat minutes vs top lines and move the puck. The 2 guys I don't see room for are Gryz after next year when he earns a raise to 3+ which he will and Heinen who is likely collecting 3+ in arbitration this summer hes a .5 PPG player for his career and actually deserves that he has only sucked when he was forced to play with soft rookies JFK and Donato. We have to hope Danton wants to bet on himself and sign a 1 year deal and then try and cash in next summer. This Cup run might convince JDB to leave some money on the table. Would he turn down 8 years 40 mil if we offered it or 6 years 30? Doubt he gets extended prior to next summer but it would be good business on our part to try and do so IMO I could see him exploding next year.

looking at history... we see a small handful of second term players that got more than 6 mill prior to the oiler boys that blew the model

in Chicago... toews and kane got more
in LA... it was kopitar
then there was guys like ovchkin, the 2 in Pittsburgh, and stamkos

the list was pretty elite... and one thing you notice everyone was a cup winner... or a 50-60 goal guy

this list is elite of the elite

so now... if we win the cup... and if our boys demand to be paid... then AT LEAST WE WON THE CUP!

Chicago famously had to rebuild after their cup when barker, ladd, byfuglin, their goalie, and maybe others all priced themselves out of the market as rfa... but they at least won a cup before that happened.

ive been hearing hockey people like brian burke for one... make this point more and more recently. its becoming more of a talking point with each passing day. a lot of teams are in cap hell because of second term rfa's and these teams havent won anything yet.

in a new nhl where around 6 of the favorites were eliminated in first round this year... playoff success has become more fickle and unpredictable than ever.

its all find and dandy to say a team has a chance to make the playoffs right until the final day of the season... but if teams make playoffs one year and then miss one year, soon fans are going to be super unimpressed. no one wants to cheer for a middle of the class mediocre also ran

fans are no longer able to suffer losing seasons with the hope "we might build a dynasty with all these pics" because those pics are going to be too expensive after just 2-3 years!!!!

this is a huge problem

im happy we are winning... but how did we get here? for years now the experts said that Chiarelli left us in cap hell... Julien couldnt develop kids... Sweeney lost at draft day... Sweeney lost at deadline day... sweeny lost at ufa… and rask didnt have what it took to win big games/chara was too old

we all heard it {hell half of you said it}

so... here we are winning and everyone says we did it the wrong way {except now that we are winning they dont say that lol}

how can anyone follow our example?

last year Washington was all but written off for dead... they cant ever get over the top... vegas was a freaking expansion team... hell st louis was last overall in jan this year

wheres the sanity? where is some semblance of logic here that fans can grab onto and feel we know what the hell is going on?

the nhl wants to get in bed with gambling now... who is going to bet on a flip-the-coin league?

in basketball each season starts with only 3-4 teams having a chance to win... same as baseball... and honestly the nfl isnt that much different

soccor which is the main sport in western world is the same

these are the popular sports... and they build dynasties... you know the teams to hate... hate sells tickets

in college football you build a rivalry and you go watch those games even if that other team is better... because you want to see your team catch them. a victory over your rival can keep you happy the entire year.

nhl is so @$$backwards thinking that parity is the way to go

sure... today im happy... my bruins are winning... but ugly bad things are happening
{my only solace is watching leafs lunch has never been more fun}
 
Is this the Leafs board?

I hope the Leafs sign Marner to a $12M/year extension and get stuck with Marleau/Zaitsev for another year.

leafs are the canary in the coal mine. them... Winnipeg... Calgary

if you remember our history... the cap was a response to small market teams saying they didnt want to keep losing their players to big spenders at free agent time... and in general, the league wanted to stop losing so much money

well... so it began

along the way, adjustments needed to be made... older players were suddenly unable to get paid... the escrow system which was a firesafe suddenly was a backbone of the system to keep it afloat

and... the elc was created. the union threw the kids under the bus

the cap system has gradually worked its magic. many players have played their entire career under the cap now. teams have had 1 and 2 generations of players under the cap... so today we see what they were wanting when they invented this whole thing...

but is it good?

and did anyone think McDavid, Eichel, Matthews and a whole slew of new 21-22 year olds would suddenly be in the leagues top 10 paid players?

they used to say... pay more because you are buying ufa years... now the rfa years are being paid MORE than ufa years.

so... im sorry but the league has a union that negotiates half the cba… and unions dont like their vetern players screwed over. escrow was a problem for some time now... combind escrow with vets not being able to get long term deals... we have a problem Houston

players sacrafied a year of lost wages for this cba because they thought theyd get the money back later... and it aint happening.

these kids who sacrificed nothing are getting obscene money now...

the fans are currently saying great... let us keep the exciting young players... but its all hitting the fan. paying these young players screws the system. the young teams will be torn apart this year and next and just in time for the next cba

sorry... chicken albertaoreilly fan has to be the one to say it... the sky is falling the sky is falling

and no its not a great problem to have
(although I do like seeing the leafs media people becoming aware of this problem 2 years after me}
 
Man, if I was the Leafs I’d try to get a good defenseman for Nylander. The kid seems like he hates contact but someone will definitely bite. He’d thrive in a European league. I think he’ll be a 60+ point player that disappears in the playoffs.

Matthews and Marner will be playoff performers, on the other hand.

Wait, this isn’t the Leafs board?
 
Man, if I was the Leafs I’d try to get a good defenseman for Nylander. The kid seems like he hates contact but someone will definitely bite. He’d thrive in a European league. I think he’ll be a 60+ point player that disappears in the playoffs.

Matthews and Marner will be playoff performers, on the other hand.

Wait, this isn’t the Leafs board?

when they came for my neighbor... it wasnt me... so I did nothing
when they came for the next neighbor... it wasnt me... so I did nothing
blah
blah
and when they came for me... there was no one left to do anything for me

oh wait... that probably belongs on the leafs board too...

not my department right... pass the buck... and hell no, a butterfly sneezing in china doesnt mean jack crap in my world

or what the hell am I babbling about anyhow?
certainly I shouldnt start threads if I dont know what the hell im talking about
 
when they came for my neighbor... it wasnt me... so I did nothing
when they came for the next neighbor... it wasnt me... so I did nothing
blah
blah
and when they came for me... there was no one left to do anything for me

oh wait... that probably belongs on the leafs board too...

not my department right... pass the buck... and hell no, a butterfly sneezing in china doesnt mean jack crap in my world

or what the hell am I babbling about anyhow?
certainly I shouldnt start threads if I dont know what the hell im talking about

I don’t know much about the cap. I just want to be right about Nylander being a dud.
Oh yeah, and I’d like 3 point from Marchand tonight.

I also generally like your posts because you put reasoning and thought into them, even if I don’t agree with your logic sometimes.
 
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For the next three seasons, going through '21-'22:

Bergeron $6.875 million
Pastrnak $6.666 million
Marchand $6.125 million
 
Did you guys hear? The NHL passed a new rule: if you are in cap trouble you can't trade anyone. Super weird I know, but it's the law now and stuff.

I know I love to be forced to trade important pieces of my build because the pay scale is out of whack {oops I meant to say I dont love it}

****

in other news if a chain of restrauts is losing money because the economy took a down turn they can lay off people or even shut down locations

its not even that super weird but it sucks almost as much {or more}

and it still doesnt make it a good problem to have
 
Winnipeg blew a 2-0 lead in the last 5 minutes of GM 5 at home. Did the cap cause that? They’re probably in the Finals if they win that game
 

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