A Few Changes to Encourage Trading

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Obviously every system isn't perfect, but I like a system that encourages trading.

Here are a few thoughts/ideas, some less novel and likely recycled.

1. Trading salary. There's arguments against this, but teams can already retain caphit if trading a player, so how about the team retains the player and trades the salary/cap hit. It's essentially trading money. Teams can eat some salary, without actually needing to take the player and gain some assets along the way.

2. Deadline rentals. Actually renting the players out. Player A is on a Team 1 that's in the basement, signed or 3 more years. Team 2 is looking for a rental, but nothing with term. Team 1 can trade Player A to Team 2 until the end of the season/playoffs, but is returns to Team 1 after the season. Every season usually the only players available are UFA's. Not a hockey moves are made, but I always enjoy teams getting shuffled up. If there was less long term repercussions for trading said player, and no worries of collusion. Basement teams could benefit from sending a star player on a cup run, only to return at the end of the season. This will lessen the values of UFA's, but I think create more movement league wide. UFA's might just be moved to get something for them, and good teams can really stack up. Player returns at the beginning of the following contract/season cycle.

3. Re-instate the waiver draft. Definitely not needed, but instead of teams trying to slip players through waivers, bring back a formal option to exchange some guys at the end of pre-season. Likely wouldn't be any use big name guys, but drafts are always interesting. Some rules can be made, to make sure a team doesn't lose too many players, or have ample opportunity to select someone to replace the asset they might have lost. More or less having a year protected/unprotected list that teams can swap.

Anyways, just some thoughts. Flame away.

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[JT Kreider]

Collusion

 

[VoluntaryDom]

I actually like all of these

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

Some of us are not here just for the trades.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Collusion

Elaborate. Or give an example.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Some of us are not here just for the trades.

I'm here for the hockey, but I think trades can improve teams, making for better hockey.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Make lottery odds a tradeable asset. A bottom feeder with a bunch of lower picks can spend them to reduce their odds of dropping to 4th, a team like Chicago can still get a good piece at 8th and pick up a few more picks to replenish their cupboard by giving up their lottery odds.

Most importantly it keeps teams out of the limbo of selling off all their good veterans, stockpiling a bunch of top-90 picks, but only getting a 2nd line C at 6th overall if the lottery doesn't go their way. Teams that are ready to take the next step can almost guarantee themselves a top-2 pick to build the franchise around by giving up some depth that they've likely already acquired before.

 

[YEM]

How about being able to trade cap space?

 

[Javaman]

Being able to trade cap space would finally put to rest the notion that the salary cap was put in place to bring about parity.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

f*** no to #1. Stop trying to coddle the rich teams. They get to play within the rules too

 

[CodeE]

Deadline rentals would ruin the playoffs 100%.

Penguins with Draisaitl vs. Capitals with McDavid - who ya got? Winner has to face the Lightning with Eichel.

 

[mouser]

Make lottery odds a tradeable asset. A bottom feeder with a bunch of lower picks can spend them to reduce their odds of dropping to 4th, a team like Chicago can still get a good piece at 8th and pick up a few more picks to replenish their cupboard by giving up their lottery odds.

Teams can already achieve a similar effect via conditional trades.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Don't touch the salary cap. This is a hard cap league. Selling off space so the rich get richer and the poor can stay poor is so very dumb.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

#3 isn't bad, but a definite "no" to the 1st 2.

 

[Jtown]

i think as we proceed, teams are going to trade less and less. The salary cap has smarten teams up to the fact of just how important drating is and how important draft picks as assets are. Its been trending in this direction for some time and this past draft was this concept at its peak.

 

[37Bergenov14]

Cant see players/nhlpa being okay with #2. Dont imagine players would like the idea of signing long term for security only to be moved around on a whim any given year.

 

[voxel]

Another idea

I argue for fixed 3,5,7 year contracts with player and team options in the second to last year. This prevents weird front loading of contracts, players are always paid fairly for their performance and can opt out halfway through. Teams aren’t saddled with underpforming players for too long and can’t play contract games by having the last few years being small salaries and large bonuses.

The current problem with the NHL is a wide range of overpaid and underpaid players stuck on longish contracts which prevents movement and IMO salary fairness.

 

[PensPlz]

Step 1) Get rid of NMC and NTC contracts.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Deadline rentals would ruin the playoffs 100%.

Penguins with Draisaitl vs. Capitals with McDavid - who ya got? Winner has to face the Lightning with Eichel.

As a hockey fan, I'd enjoy that.

 

[GodEmperor]

**** no to #1. Stop trying to coddle the rich teams. They get to play within the rules too

Funny because the rules literally try to coddle peasant teams.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Sorry

Boo f***ing ho there are not a lot of trades

 

[mouser]

Another idea

I argue for fixed 3,5,7 year contracts with player and team options in the second to last year. This prevents weird front loading of contracts, players are always paid fairly for their performance and can opt out halfway through. Teams aren’t saddled with underpforming players for too long and can’t play contract games by having the last few years being small salaries and large bonuses.

The current problem with the NHL is a wide range of overpaid and underpaid players stuck on longish contracts which prevents movement and IMO salary fairness.

If you think the core problem is length of contracts and players being “under or over paid” then the simplest answer is reducing the maximum # of years allowed on a contract. No need to make it more complex with 3/5/7 year deals and optional years.

For example, take the max contract length down to 5 years like the NBA did and players will spend less time being “over or under paid”.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Cant see players/nhlpa being okay with #2. Dont imagine players would like the idea of signing long term for security only to be moved around on a whim any given year.

Same contract rules exist. NMC's and NTC's are standard on high end contracts anyways. So it i would be par for course?

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Sorry

Boo ****ing ho there are not a lot of trades

Yea I'm definitely crying. You called it. I'm in a corner weeping.

 

[iamjs]

Obviously every system isn't perfect, but I like a system that encourages trading.

Here are a few thoughts/ideas, some less novel and likely recycled.

1. Trading salary. There's arguments against this, but teams can already retain caphit if trading a player, so how about the team retains the player and trades the salary/cap hit. It's essentially trading money. Teams can eat some salary, without actually needing to take the player and gain some assets along the way.

2. Deadline rentals. Actually renting the players out. Player A is on a Team 1 that's in the basement, signed or 3 more years. Team 2 is looking for a rental, but nothing with term. Team 1 can trade Player A to Team 2 until the end of the season/playoffs, but is returns to Team 1 after the season. Every season usually the only players available are UFA's. Not a hockey moves are made, but I always enjoy teams getting shuffled up. If there was less long term repercussions for trading said player, and no worries of collusion. Basement teams could benefit from sending a star player on a cup run, only to return at the end of the season. This will lessen the values of UFA's, but I think create more movement league wide. UFA's might just be moved to get something for them, and good teams can really stack up. Player returns at the beginning of the following contract/season cycle.

3. Re-instate the waiver draft. Definitely not needed, but instead of teams trying to slip players through waivers, bring back a formal option to exchange some guys at the end of pre-season. Likely wouldn't be any use big name guys, but drafts are always interesting. Some rules can be made, to make sure a team doesn't lose too many players, or have ample opportunity to select someone to replace the asset they might have lost. More or less having a year protected/unprotected list that teams can swap.

Anyways, just some thoughts. Flame away.

1. we already have retained percentages. There's no logic to retaining random salary.
2. Should we just throw sticks to determine teams next? On second thought, don't answer that.
3. I wouldn't mind seeing a loose version of this, where each team submits a list of 15 players. Only position requirement would be that one player of each position would be listed, so you could list 9F-5D-1G or 7F-6D-2G or even 13F-1D-1G. Order would be determined by least number of points, 2nd least, etc. I almost recommended doing a 50% retention, but losing a player like Bobby Ryan* and having a team potentially lose almost $3.5m in cap space due to waivers doesn't seem fair.

* - I know he has a NTC. I needed a hypothetical example of a player with a high salary that would be considered for a sake of a salary dump.