A Case for a Junior Team Quebec

[ismelofhockey]

En mode solution | La création d’Équipe Québec, un électrochoc dont le hockey a besoin

Équipe Canada junior ne connaît plus le succès auquel elle nous avait habitués. Le temps est peut-être venu de créer une équipe québécoise, pas tant pour gagner plus souvent que pour susciter l’engouement et mieux former la relève, avance l’auteur de cette lettre.

www.lapresse.ca

The article is in French, so use Chrome's text translator if needed.

Basically the idea is that hockey in Quebec has been moribund over the last decade and needs a shot in the arm. International federations already allow other nations within nations (ex: Scotland, Wales...) to field their teams, and Latvia just beat Team Canada, showing that in a one game elimination system, anything is possible. No, the idea isn't that Team Quebec would win more than Canada. But imagine the rivalry...

There's much more to the article than that. It's worth the read before you dismiss the idea off-hand.
And for those whose knee-jerk reaction is to say Quebec isn't a nation: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/house-passes-motion-recognizing-quebecois-as-nation-1.574359

La Presse is the province's largest news media, and they lean heavily federalist (as opposed to sovereigntist). They wouldn't publish "nationalist gobbledigook".

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[Mathieukferland]

Non

 

[David Suzuki]

would be kind of cool but it will never happen

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

N'importe quoi , rend la game plus accessible si tu veux voir plus de talent sortir du Québec. Ya personne qui joue au Hockey dans les villes , coûte trop chère pis hockey quebec c'est remplie de népotisme , Jvois pas pourquoi un nouveau parents qui a pas de racines deja encrée dans le hockey embarquerais sont enfant la dedans.

 

[Mathieukferland]

N'importe quoi , rend la game plus accessible si tu veux voir plus de talent sortir du Québec. Ya personne qui joue au Hockey dans les villes , coûte trop chère pis hockey quebec c'est remplie de népotisme , Jvois pas pourquoi un nouveau parents qui a pas de racines deja encrée dans le hockey embarquerais sont enfant la dedans.

I would go the opposite way, the numbers likely aren’t going to increase anyway, so pursue an academy system like they have out west where you essentially have 15 or so schools that are centralising and training players 20+ hours a week. It’s worked wonders out west (Bédard, McKenna, DuPont, Primerano, etc), and if you’re good enough (like McKenna), cost isn’t really an issue even if you’re from a modest background

 

[WarriorofTime]

Nationalist gobblygook. Quebec is a province of Canada, not its own nation. The England/Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland to United Kingdom comparison doesn't make sense for historical context [from a sporting perspective, England, Scotland and Wales had national teams long before 'FIFA' came to be]. They can advocate for various national competition with players representing different regions/provinces. Hockey Canada's U17 tournament thing used to be this before it got replaced with 'Canada Red', 'Canada Black' or whatever. Maybe advocate a push back for that.

 

[ismelofhockey]

Nationalist gobblygook. Quebec is a province of Canada, not its own nation. The England/Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland to United Kingdom comparison doesn't make sense for historical context [from a sporting perspective, England, Scotland and Wales had national teams long before 'FIFA' came to be]. They can advocate for various national competition with players representing different regions/provinces. Hockey Canada's U17 tournament thing used to be this before it got replaced with 'Canada Red', 'Canada Black' or whatever. Maybe advocate a push back for that.

The parliament of Canada recognized the Québecois as a nation within Canada, so you're not starting your argument on solid ground, and clearly you haven't read the article.

N'importe quoi , rend la game plus accessible si tu veux voir plus de talent sortir du Québec. Ya personne qui joue au Hockey dans les villes , coûte trop chère pis hockey quebec c'est remplie de népotisme , Jvois pas pourquoi un nouveau parents qui a pas de racines deja encrée dans le hockey embarquerais sont enfant la dedans.

As-tu lu l'article?

 

[ismelofhockey]

I would go the opposite way, the numbers likely aren’t going to increase anyway, so pursue an academy system like they have out west where you essentially have 15 or so schools that are centralising and training players 20+ hours a week. It’s worked wonders out west (Bédard, McKenna, DuPont, Primerano, etc), and if you’re good enough (like McKenna), cost isn’t really an issue even if you’re from a modest background

This isn't meant to be a panacea, nor is it at odds with reforming Hockey Quebec which, along with a lack of infrastructure in cities and high costs, are the main factors in hockey's decline in the province. But this would maximize the opportunities for Canadian players. Which hockey program wouldn't want two teams at the WJC?

 

[Jumptheshark]

En mode solution | La création d’Équipe Québec, un électrochoc dont le hockey a besoin

Équipe Canada junior ne connaît plus le succès auquel elle nous avait habitués. Le temps est peut-être venu de créer une équipe québécoise, pas tant pour gagner plus souvent que pour susciter l’engouement et mieux former la relève, avance l’auteur de cette lettre.

www.lapresse.ca

The article is in French, so use Chrome's text translator if needed.

Basically the idea is that hockey in Quebec has been moribund over the last decade and needs a shot in the arm. International federations already allow other nations within nations (ex: Scotland, Wales...) to field their teams, and Latvia just beat Team Canada, showing that in a one game elimination system, anything is possible. No, the idea isn't that Team Quebec would win more than Canada. But imagine the rivalry...

There's much more to the article than that. It's worth the read before you dismiss the idea off-hand.

You could have a junior team from from the prairies Ontario and BC. WE get this thread every couple of years for different reasons.

When the NHL goes back to the Olymics we will get one of these threads again.

 

[Jumptheshark]

En mode solution | La création d’Équipe Québec, un électrochoc dont le hockey a besoin

Équipe Canada junior ne connaît plus le succès auquel elle nous avait habitués. Le temps est peut-être venu de créer une équipe québécoise, pas tant pour gagner plus souvent que pour susciter l’engouement et mieux former la relève, avance l’auteur de cette lettre.

www.lapresse.ca

The article is in French, so use Chrome's text translator if needed.

Basically the idea is that hockey in Quebec has been moribund over the last decade and needs a shot in the arm. International federations already allow other nations within nations (ex: Scotland, Wales...) to field their teams, and Latvia just beat Team Canada, showing that in a one game elimination system, anything is possible. No, the idea isn't that Team Quebec would win more than Canada. But imagine the rivalry...

There's much more to the article than that. It's worth the read before you dismiss the idea off-hand.

Quebec is not a nation.

Also, you could make a better case for Team Ontario than any other PROVINCE in Canada.

 

[ismelofhockey]

Quebec is not a nation.

Also, you could make a better case for Team Ontario than any other PROVINCE in Canada.

Aren't you Canadian? How do you not know this? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/house-passes-motion-recognizing-quebecois-as-nation-1.574359

So no, you couldn't make a better case for Ontario. Although the point of the article is that if you could, you should have a Team Ontario, a Team BC, a Team Mohawk...etc.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Aren't you Canadian? How do you not know this? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/house-passes-motion-recognizing-quebecois-as-nation-1.574359

So no, you couldn't make a better case for Ontario. Although the point of the article is that if you could, you should have a Team Ontario, a Team BC, a Team Mohawk...etc.

Scotland and Wales are recognised as nation. One key word is FORMING a nation in what happened happened and actual final wording in interesting. You should look it up.

No.country recognizer Quebec as a nation

 

[Czechboy]

I think the Olympics will see more and more Quebecers but not in hockey. Soccer and tennis! The Q has fallen far off the map and it is because hockey is so damn expensive. Those acadamies (that are highly successful) don't work in Quebec. They work in Vancouver or Toronto. Canada is great at developing rich kids to play hockey internationally but this certainly isn't a sport for everyone in Canada. I'd swear if you didn't know a thing about Canada and just watched hockey you'd be convincied it is a nation with no immigration and just rich white kids.lol

 

[WarriorofTime]

Aren't you Canadian? How do you not know this? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/house-passes-motion-recognizing-quebecois-as-nation-1.574359

So no, you couldn't make a better case for Ontario. Although the point of the article is that if you could, you should have a Team Ontario, a Team BC, a Team Mohawk...etc.

From the own article you posted

"The prime minister has said he is using the word nation in a "cultural-sociological" rather than in a legal sense."

It was a ceremonial little thing they did, it's not worth the weight of the paper it was printed on. Quebec has no legal status as a "Nation" in any meaningful way domestically or internationally. There is no "Team Quebec" in any international sporting competition.