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Value of: A 2nd line center to Montreal.

pth2 said:
Laine has negative value.

Mesar has very little value, but some GM might take him as a longshot, if their AHL team has room to try and make him into something.

Matheson is a 25 minute top 4 D man. You might not like him for some reason, and he might fill a need on your team, but the guy has value. A team with issues signing UFAs might want to bring him in for a while so both parties can decide if he's a fit and wants to extend.
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Mesar has no value and can’t even produce at the AHL level on a good Laval team. His draft status doesn’t make him ultimately valuable in any sort of way. If that was the case, the Isles would have been able to move Michael Dal Colle, Kieffer Bellows and Oliver Wahlstrom for something other then waivers or Europe.
Matheson is terrible and the eye test proves it. His only saving grace is that he has one year left. You can’t really fool people by trying to claim he’s a true top 4 defenseman when the guy was irrelevant in the playoffs and looked about as invisible as Laine except for stupid penalties and being on the ice for goals against. A rebuilding team might want him as a stop gap (not the Islanders) but no true playoff team is going anywhere near him. Ask Panthers fans how they feel about the guy and they couldn’t wait to ship him off.
 
pth2 said:
Terribe take. Caufield has a long term contract, Necas was what, a year from being a UFA and unable to reach a deal ? That has an effect on his value.
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Long term contract or not it was based on the player quality, not the contract itself. Trying to say it was terrible because of the contract just shows your Habs blinders. It was an equivalent deal based on players themselves, nothing more or less.
 
miscs75 said:
Long term contract or not it was based on the player quality, not the contract itself. Trying to say it was terrible because of the contract just shows your Habs blinders. It was an equivalent deal based on players themselves, nothing more or less.
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News flash: contract status influences trade value.
 
miscs75 said:
Mesar has no value ...
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Which is kind of my point. He does not have negative value like Laine.
miscs75 said:
Matheson is terrible and the eye test proves it. His only saving grace is that he has one year left. You can’t really fool people by trying to claim he’s a true top 4 defenseman when the guy was irrelevant in the playoffs and looked about as invisible as Laine except for stupid penalties and being on the ice for goals against. A rebuilding team might want him as a stop gap (not the Islanders) but no true playoff team is going anywhere near him. Ask Panthers fans how they feel about the guy and they couldn’t wait to ship him off.
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He just played top 4 minutes for a playoff team. Like it or not, that makes him a top 4 defenseman.
 
pth2 said:
Which is kind of my point. He does not have negative value like Laine.

He just played top 4 minutes for a playoff team. Like it or not, that makes him a top 4 defenseman.
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And he was terrible as a top 4 defenseman. The Islanders have deployed Scott Mayfield as a 2nd pairing RD before for multiple games and he’s nowhere near a 2nd pair RD.

As for Mesar, he’s not even throw in quality at this point. He’s one of those after waivers AHL for AHL trades teams make. But he doesn’t have any value whatsoever to even get a look at in a package for an NHL player outside of maybe a negative value cap dump to send a body in return for the contract limit.
 
pth2 said:
Why bother? The closest fit in value would probably be Matheson, and you'll whine about that.
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This is why you guys aren’t reasonable as a fanbase when it comes to trades. Matheson isn’t even close in terms of player to Necas. He just has a deal expiring next year. Matheson for Mike Reilly (with a 1 year extension) would be an even swap.
 
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miscs75 said:
As for Mesar, he’s not even throw in quality at this point. He’s one of those after waivers AHL for AHL trades teams make. But he doesn’t have any value whatsoever to even get a look at in a package for an NHL player outside of maybe a negative value cap dump to send a body in return for the contract limit.
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You realize 0 value is more than negative value, right?
 
What is Vancouver up to this days?

Rebuild, or no rebuild?

If ya'll rebuilding, we'd take EP40 off your hand for some 1sts and prospects
 
pth2 said:
You realize 0 value is more than negative value, right?
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Congrats, one will involve retention to move due to contract status. They’re both untradeable assets without taking something equivalently useless back in return. Would you like Samuel Bolduc for Mesar?
 
miscs75 said:
This is why you guys aren’t reasonable as a fanbase when it comes to trades. Matheson isn’t even close in terms of player to Necas. He just has a deal expiring next year. Matheson for Mike Reilly (with a 1 year extension) would be an even swap.
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Who cares, The Habs wouldn't be getting a Rantanen level guy anyways.
 
General Fanager said:
Who cares, The Habs wouldn't be getting a Rantanen level guy anyways.
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It’s just the priciple of it. To ask for a player of that tier and not offer up a player of anything close as a main piece to the trade is just straight up lowballing. Even in the case of Barzal/Horvat, both are happy with the Islanders and signed long term. For the Islanders to either one and get back 2 quarters and a dime back in return just wouldn’t be smart, even if the dime was shiny and new.
 
miscs75 said:
And he was terrible as a top 4 defenseman. The Islanders have deployed Scott Mayfield as a 2nd pairing RD before for multiple games and he’s nowhere near a 2nd pair RD.

As for Mesar, he’s not even throw in quality at this point. He’s one of those after waivers AHL for AHL trades teams make. But he doesn’t have any value whatsoever to even get a look at in a package for an NHL player outside of maybe a negative value cap dump to send a body in return for the contract limit.
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Matheson was nowhere near terrible as a top-4 defenceman. He was frustrating playing 1D minutes with significant PK time in a defensive role he's not suited for. He has significant value for a team looking for an experienced two-way defenceman that can skate and play meaningful minutes on both special teams. If he was right-handed he'd almost certainly be staying in MTL.
 
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miscs75 said:
Ultimately the 2C will involve an overpayment in terms of quality (not quantity) unless you want a player who’s more of an unproven commodity or someone towards the end of their career age wise that can be a short term stop gap. Ultimately a guy like Brock Nelson would fit the role but I highly doubt he wants to play in MTL and he turned down a 3 year from Lou which forced the trade. He wants more term and at his age that’s a tough ask.
The younger (25-28) quality 2C price will be more then Montreal will ideally want to pay and in some cases way too high. Teams just don’t part with players like that outside of the trade deadline or for a substantial upgrade in both the short and long term.

Back to the Colorado and Carolina trade. It was Rantanen and a low end prospect for Necas, Drury, 2nd and a 4th. That’s like Montreal giving up Caufield, Owen Beck and picks for Rantanen (with contract uncertainty). Would they do something like that? I’m not really sure.

I didn’t bring up Reinbacher because he wasn’t on the current roster. I went based on who was on the ice for the playoffs. Ultimately he steps in next year and replaces someone in the current lineup.
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I would not hesitate one second to move that package for a similar Center (production & Size wise) to Rantanen.

The contract uncertainty was a poor move by Carolina and I doubt Hughes would do something stupid like that. A contract would be discussed before the trade happen (If said player was UFA to be)
 
Draft said:
Matheson was nowhere near terrible as a top-4 defenceman. He was frustrating playing 1D minutes with significant PK time in a defensive role he's not suited for. He has significant value for a team looking for an experienced two-way defenceman that can skate and play meaningful minutes on both special teams. If he was right-handed he'd almost certainly be staying in MTL.
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Which means he was deployed terribly. Move him to a rebuilding team that needs a guy like that, the real playoff teams aren’t using him in the top 4.
 
Baksfamous112 said:
I would not hesitate one second to move that package for a similar Center (production & Size wise) to Rantanen.

The contract uncertainty was a poor move by Carolina and I doubt Hughes would do something stupid like that. A contract would be discussed before the trade happen (If said player was UFA to be)
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That’s why I brought it up. It would take a package like that but quite a few Habs fans would riot seeing Caufield moved out even if the player coming back fixed the major need in the top 6. To expect Laine/Matheson (or similarly useless filler piece) to be moved as the cap hit veteran in a trade like that based on some people’s ideas shows how much they truly don’t know anything outside of the Habs bubble. I’d look at trying to drag Trocheck out of NYR if the Rags want to shake it up. Just looking at puckpedia, he’s making $5.63m (until 2029) with a 12 team NTC after July 1. He would fit that top 6 bill you’re looking for and that team is in shambles with a need to make changes.
 
miscs75 said:
Which means he was deployed terribly. Move him to a rebuilding team that needs a guy like that, the real playoff teams aren’t using him in the top 4.
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You're correct, he was deployed that way because the Habs have no other option for experienced defensive defenceman.

Most playoff teams don't need him to be a 1D and/or have other defenceman to pair him with. For example, I think he'd be an amazing fit on a team like TB where he can share big minutes with McD/Hedman and be paired with a reliable partner like Cernak.
 
miscs75 said:
This is why you guys aren’t reasonable as a fanbase when it comes to trades. Matheson isn’t even close in terms of player to Necas. He just has a deal expiring next year. Matheson for Mike Reilly (with a 1 year extension) would be an even swap.
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"Matheson isn’t even close in terms of player to Necas."

Of course, it's obvious!

"Matheson for Mike Reilly (with a 1 year extension) would be an even swap."

Nope, Matheson might not be perfect, but he's a really good skater and a really good athlete with incredible stamina

His role has changed but defensively, just because of his reach and fast skating, he's a valuable defenseman, a lot more valuable than Mike Reilly.
 
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Draft said:
You're correct, he was deployed that way because the Habs have no other option for experienced defensive defenceman.

Most playoff teams don't need him to be a 1D and/or have other defenceman to pair him with. For example, I think he'd be an amazing fit on a team like TB where he can share big minutes with McD/Hedman and be paired with a reliable partner like Cernak.
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So essentially you need a true top 4 D to pair him with to hide him and cover for his faults. MTL doesn’t have that guy to put him with at the moment.
 
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