#87 Sidney Crosby Milestone Thread - History will be made (1600 points)

[WiLBoY]

This guy is single handedly carrying his team every night at the age of 37.

One of the best to ever play

 

[SEALBound]

This guy is single handedly carrying his team every night at the age of 37.

One of the best to ever play

Last two games, sure. The previous 10, no.

 

[WiLBoY]

Last two games, sure. The previous 10, no.

No player is going to carry every game especially on a bad team

 

[daver]

Crosby's PPG finishes:

1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 11, 13, 13, 16, 17, 19

Jagr's:

1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 12, 14, 14, 16


Eliminate the duplicates


Crosby:

1, 1, 1, 4, 5, 6, 11, 13, 13, 17, 19

Jagr

2, 2, 12, 14, 14

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Sid and Ovi still getting it done.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1853497946358038623

Have been hoping we get one more chance to see these guys face off in the playoffs. Looks unlikely but you never know.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Not much else to celebrate. Passes Bergeron.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Crosby's PPG finishes:

1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 11, 13, 13, 16, 17, 19

Jagr's:

1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 12, 14, 14, 16


Eliminate the duplicates


Crosby:

1, 1, 1, 4, 5, 6, 11, 13, 13, 17, 19

Jagr

2, 2, 12, 14, 14

Yeah nah.

Quarter and half seasons don't count.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Crosby's PPG finishes:

1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 11, 13, 13, 16, 17, 19

Jagr's:

1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 12, 14, 14, 16


Eliminate the duplicates


Crosby:

1, 1, 1, 4, 5, 6, 11, 13, 13, 17, 19

Jagr

2, 2, 12, 14, 14

Duplicates?

 

[tarheelhockey]

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Not much else to celebrate. Passes Bergeron.

At risk of being a party pooper, he’s been #1 in faceoffs taken for some time now. This is a little like a goalie breaking the record for career saves well after he set the record for shots against… kind of a backhanded compliment.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

At risk of being a party pooper, he’s been #1 in faceoffs taken for some time now. This is a little like a goalie breaking the record for career saves well after he set the record for shots against… kind of a backhanded compliment.

Yea i know, hardly his best milestone. It's more a testament to longevity than his face-off prowess.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Duplicates?

Player A
1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3

Player B
1, 1, 1, 2, 3


Eliminate the duplicates

1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3

So player A has an advantage of 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3

 

[BallardEra]

One away from #600 now.

 

[Shrimper]

1 goal from #600. Looking ahead and for him to get to #700 he would need 101 goals in the maximum of 184 goals in 226 games. That is a pace of around 0.44 GP/G which his last three seasons have been at. I really hope we can see the Penguins get some young talent away to create opportunities to get him there.

Obviously playing every game is unlikely. He's missed 195 games in his career (Not adjusting for seasons that were shorter due to COVID but using the new, adjusted total as the benchmark). Based on his career stats, so not his potentially higher production for each individual year, that would be another 90 goals and 249 points. Would #800 have been possible?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Would #800 have been possible?

I think it would have been very possible if not for injuries.

Really puts a spotlight on how much durability influences career rankings. Ovechkin and Howe were like Terminators. Jagr is somehow still playing pro hockey after 36 years. Gretzky was closely protected to keep him healthy.

 

[Video Nasty]

Player A
1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3

Player B
1, 1, 1, 2, 3


Eliminate the duplicates

1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3

So player A has an advantage of 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3

These Crosby rules are getting crazy.

Why not just settle for reality where Player A and Player B both had 9 top 3 finishes, but Player B won 5 Art Rosses and played a minimum of 75% of the schedule in all nine of those seasons?

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Crosby's PPG finishes:

1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 11, 13, 13, 16, 17, 19

Jagr's:

1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 12, 14, 14, 16


Eliminate the duplicates


Crosby:

1, 1, 1, 4, 5, 6, 11, 13, 13, 17, 19

Jagr

2, 2, 12, 14, 14

Sorry but this is pretty misleading. How many of those #1 finishes were in the seasons where he played a fraction of his team's games?

Almost no one would consider 22 games ranked 1st in ppg superior to 82 games ranked 2nd in ppg. Or equal to 82 games ranked first in ppg. But that's what you're doing by "eliminating the duplicates."

I have as much respect and admiration for Crosby as anyone else.. he doesn't need to be propped up by specious arguments like this.

 

[wetcoast]

Yea i know, hardly his best milestone. It's more a testament to longevity than his face-off prowess.

His faceoff prowess has actually been excellent.

 

[tarheelhockey]

These Crosby rules are getting crazy.

Why not just settle for reality where Player A and Player B both had 9 top 3 finishes, but Player B won 5 Art Rosses and played a minimum of 75% of the schedule in all nine of those seasons?

That’s going beyond what “eliminate the duplicates” is meant to show. It’s simply a way of saying Player A and B have some things in common, but here‘s a list of things they don’t have in common.

Sorry but this is pretty misleading. How many of those #1 finishes were in the seasons where he played a fraction of his team's games?

Almost no one would consider 22 games ranked 1st in ppg superior to 82 games ranked 2nd in ppg. Or equal to 82 games ranked first in ppg. But that's what you're doing by "eliminating the duplicates."

I have as much respect and admiration for Crosby as anyone else.. he doesn't need to be propped up by specious arguments like this.

That’s a fair criticism, not of eliminating duplicates but of using PPG ranks in the first place. Doing this with actual points finishes makes more sense as it accounts for sample size.

 

[wetcoast]

Sorry but this is pretty misleading. How many of those #1 finishes were in the seasons where he played a fraction of his team's games?

Do you understand what a per game basis is?

Almost no one would consider 22 games ranked 1st in ppg superior to 82 games ranked 2nd in ppg. Or equal to 82 games ranked first in ppg. But that's what you're doing by "eliminating the duplicates."

Sure but it's only one metric, sorta like counting stats in the early 80's one can dig deeper for context on most any metric.

I have as much respect and admiration for Crosby as anyone else.. he doesn't need to be propped up by specious arguments like this.

Sure like the only player in NHL history to have his first 19 NHL seasons at a PPG+ rate.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

His faceoff prowess has actually been excellent.

He was so good on draws that Logan couture accused him of cheating in the 2016 SCF lol

 

[Dingo]

This guy is single handedly carrying his team every night at the age of 37.

One of the best to ever play

No player is going to carry every game especially on a bad team

that changed quick! haha

Crosby is still strong, though

 

[bambamcam4ever]

That’s going beyond what “eliminate the duplicates” is meant to show. It’s simply a way of saying Player A and B have some things in common, but here‘s a list of things they don’t have in common.



That’s a fair criticism, not of eliminating duplicates but of using PPG ranks in the first place. Doing this with actual points finishes makes more sense as it accounts for sample size.

PPG ranks are a better way to measure talent level though, point totals are more of what you've achieved in your career.

 

[tarheelhockey]

PPG ranks are a better way to measure talent level though, point totals are more of what you've achieved in your career.

True, and ideally we’d see a balance of both numbers.

The problem with just showing PPG ranks is that you’re giving the same amount of credit for a 10-game season as for an 82-game season, and we know for certain that the 82 game season is a truer indicator.

As an example, let’s say the worst thing happened and Ovechkin was done for the season with this knee injury. He would finish the season on pace for close to 70 goals. Now with all due respect, we all know that the likelihood of his actually hitting 70 goals is close to nil. One reason that’s so unlikely is the high chance of injury, which is exactly what took place. So it doesn’t quite sit right to say he just had one of the greatest goal scoring seasons of all time, ending before Thanksgiving. This goes double if it’s someone like Necas getting his season cut short after a hot start.

IMO a good way to balance this into a single statistic is to show PPG ranks with a minimum number of games, like 60, which is high enough to account for hot streaks or fluky circumstances.