80% of Draisaitl's starts are in the O-Zone, right way to develop a player?

[TrillMike]

You've got to feel bad for the player in this situation. He should not be in the NHL yet. They are going to ruin him.

 

[CheldishGamibno]

I feel bad for Draisaitl.

I feel bad for Nugent-Hopkins, Hall, Eberle and Yakupov too. They could be stars, the Oilers management is destroying their potential. It pisses me off.

 

[Riseonfire]

He's going to get Josh Bailey'd. Draisaitl will be a useful player in 5 more years when he finally develops his 2 way game after being rushed into the NHL.

At least he's not your 18yr old 1C like Bailey was for us.

 

[The Podium]

Holy ****, didnt realize how sheltered the entire Edmonton team is. Everyone but Gordon, Hendricks and joensuu well over league average

 

[ponder]

He's not NHL ready, period, but for some reason they're keeping him up. The kid is a straight up terrible skater, one of the worst in the league, but he does have good hands and offensive hockey IQ. The coaching staff don't want him anywhere near the defensive zone, where opposing players will skate circles around him, but at least in the offensive zone he can generate some decent chances.

On any other team, he'd be in the WHL right now. On a team like Detroit, he'd probably spend 2 years in the dub and 1 or so in the AHL until his skating got up to legit NHL level. The Oilers have terrible centre depth, and a clueless owner who probably wants to use the "see the new prospect" angle to sell tickets and jerseys, so they're keeping him up, but the coaching staff is doing the only thing they can in a tough situation, which is to try to hide him in the O-zone.

 

[ZeroPT*]

They're doing the right thing with the wrong player. He's not even remotely ready, but they have the right idea in mind. Giving a young forward sheltered O-zone starts against weak QOC is the right way to go.

Toews had 55% OZS asa rookie
Seguin had 50% OZS as a rookie
Galchenyuk had 56% OZS as a rookie
Kane was at 54.5.. There are many examples of this. It's the right approach. Give him friendly ice time. Definitely the right thing to do. However, Draisaitl just simply isn't ready.

 

[SaintMorose]

Skating is one of the easiest things to train to passable/league average and LD stayed in Edmonton over the summer to work on it, so he's got the drive to get there (but isn't close yet).
All rookies tend to have sheltered minutes, so that's not really a problem either.

At some point there has to be a judgement call; where if you have a hard time playing a guy in the 3rd period and you penciled him into your top 6, then he isn't ready.
At some point you have to admit you can't shelter LD, Arco, and sometimes RNH behind your 4th line centre and pay the price for an NHL player.

Maybe before you burn an rfa year at 41 games?

 

[Kbs]

I don't think there's anything wrong with giving a rookie a lot of O-Zone starts. It puts less pressure on the player and puts them in a situation to succeed. Unfortunately for Draisaitl, he likely shouldn't be playing in the NHL right now even if he's getting favourable O-Zone starts.

Also, it doesn't look like BehindTheNet takes into account Neutral zone faceoffs.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...&teamid=12&type=corsi&sort=OZPCT&sortdir=DESC

Draisaitl is still highest on the team with 45.1% Offensive Zone Faceoffs, but it's not as ridiculous as 80%.

 

[Sojourn]

He should be in Jr.

And during the off-season he should be working with a power skating coach. His skating is not good enough.

 

[Nicko999]

Draisatl isn't NHL ready. I have no idea what Edmonton is thinking.

As for Yakupov, 75% offensive zone starts and only 8 pts... OUCH!!! That's more than just the coach, that's the player simply not being good enough.

 

[Bps21*]

They scratched him for one game...thus relegating his insane amount of offensive zone starts to players who don't always fail to produce...and they scored 5 goals. He's helping the tank by stifling offense because he isn't ready to be in the nhl. And before someone tries to claim the guy who took his spot didn't score at all that game...that guy took one face off all game in the ozone. Draisiatl's protected shifts went elsewhere.

 

[King In The North]

What was Monahan's/Mackinnon's similar stat last year?

It's not a bad approach developing 18-19 year olds but Leon should've stayed in juniors after 9 games. Trading Gagner for Purcell really signified McTavish thought he could roll with RNH-Drasaitl as their top 6 C...

 

[deckercky]

They're doing the right thing with the wrong player. He's not even remotely ready, but they have the right idea in mind. Giving a young forward sheltered O-zone starts against weak QOC is the right way to go.

Toews had 55% OZS asa rookie
Seguin had 50% OZS as a rookie
Galchenyuk had 56% OZS as a rookie
Kane was at 54.5.. There are many examples of this. It's the right approach. Give him friendly ice time. Definitely the right thing to do. However, Draisaitl just simply isn't ready.

There's a pretty significant difference between 55% and 80% though. Soft deployment is one thing, but 80% for a player who isn't putting up the points is sheltering to the point of hurting the teams (contrary to some opinions, sheltering is fine if it works for the player and helps the team overall).

 

[AINEC*]

Busting makes him feel good

 

[TT1]

What was Monahan's/Mackinnon's similar stat last year?

It's not a bad approach developing 18-19 year olds but Leon should've stayed in juniors after 9 games. Trading Gagner for Purcell really signified McTavish thought he could roll with RNH-Drasaitl as their top 6 C...

Monahan:
2013-2014 - 55.0%
2014-2015 - 45.7%

GAUDREAU:
2014-2015 - 54.9%

Mackinnon:
2013-2014 - 51.6%
2014-2015 - 50.0%

GALCHENYUK:
2012-2013 (rookie season): 58.5%
2013-2014: 50.5%
2014-2015: 55.7%

But its hard to compare players because some teams are better puck possession teams than others (which translates into more o-zone starts), in any case Edmoton definitely isnt one of those teams.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Send him to the W. He's playing minimum minutes and most in the offensive zone.

By being here he's even hurting Yakupov development. Which is not Draisaitl fault.

 

[ZeroPT*]

There's a pretty significant difference between 55% and 80% though. Soft deployment is one thing, but 80% for a player who isn't putting up the points is sheltering to the point of hurting the teams (contrary to some opinions, sheltering is fine if it works for the player and helps the team overall).

Sure. It affects the team, but the thread is moreso about Draisaitl than EDM. What they're doing with Draisaitl is the right thing, although they may be taking it too far.

The worst part of all this is that Gordon,Hendricks and Joensuu are the only players with over 25 games played that have less than 55% OZS. They really need someone who can pick up the slack defensively.

 

[Jot]

I dont understand how Edmonton can afford the luxury of sheltering players on their team.

Is Toronto that much worse at puck possession than Edmonton. Gardiner is our most sheltered player, and he only seeing 46.7% offensive zone starts, Kadri's only getting 42.6, and then people wonder why these players aren't producing offensively.

If Kadri consistently had 55-60 offensive zone start% this year, he's guaranteed to have been producing more.

Gardiner's another story, he's not the same player from last year unfortunately.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Agree with those saying he shouldn't even be in the NHL

 

[Aceonfire*]

This isn't a story. People are just looking for things to pick at.

Sure he is being heavily sheltered but look at his ice time.

He shouldn't be in the NHL at all but the Oil gonna Oil.

 

[startainfection*]

if he was a good team and his skating was good enough for the nhl, i would say yes, but he is not so the answer is absolutely not

 

[Dr Robot]

I dont understand how Edmonton can afford the luxury of sheltering players on their team.

Is Toronto that much worse at puck possession than Edmonton. Gardiner is our most sheltered player, and he only seeing 46.7% offensive zone starts, Kadri's only getting 42.6, and then people wonder why these players aren't producing offensively.

If Kadri consistently had 55-60 offensive zone start% this year, he's guaranteed to have been producing more.

Gardiner's another story, he's not the same player from last year unfortunately.

Your most sheltered defensemen only seeing 47% ozone starts is a huge statement about the team, not about the player.

In Tarasenkos rookie year he was getting close to 70% ozone start on a blues team that was seeing far more Ozone than Dzone starts. High Ozone start and low qualcomp is actually the correct usage for rookies like Zero has stated, they need to see some success early in winnable situations to build off it.

 

[Deutschland Dangler]

Why didn't these morons at least release him for the World Juniors? what a gong show

Because there, he would be on a bad team that loses most games and will probably get blown out a couple of times, which is bad for his confidence. Wait a second...

 

[Jared Dunn]

They're doing the right thing with the wrong player. He's not even remotely ready, but they have the right idea in mind. Giving a young forward sheltered O-zone starts against weak QOC is the right way to go.

Toews had 55% OZS asa rookie
Seguin had 50% OZS as a rookie
Galchenyuk had 56% OZS as a rookie
Kane was at 54.5.. There are many examples of this. It's the right approach. Give him friendly ice time. Definitely the right thing to do. However, Draisaitl just simply isn't ready.

I'd say they're overdoing it though, he needs to get some difficult competition to improve as well. But it should be a moot point as the guy should be back in the W

 

[Raym11]

this is the oilers desperately trying to raise trade values by getting a few extra points on some players like Yak