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Post-Game Talk: 8 Years, $92 Million

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Machinehead said:
I really couldn't give a toss.

My problem is he's not that good at offense.

I don't think it's necessarily an offense/defense thing. None of the forwards on this team play defense and tbh we might be served to get that on the menu actually.

The problem, I think, and @LokiDog has touched on this, is that our team culture is very much that you're either in the band or you're one of the roadies. And when young players finally get put in the band, they play like roadies because they did it for 3, 4 years.

The top half of the lineup plays grabass offense, and the bottom half of the lineup plays basically right but they don't play offense at all.

The perfect microcosm of how we operate is Filip Chytil. I love the way he plays and I think he pretty much does everything right. He's never been in the band. He's 25 years old and he's still a roadie. I don't wanna hear about the injuries. When he plays, it's on the 3rd line. There's no excuse. He's a good player, but at the end of the day, he's probably around a 35-point guy. He was never given a chance to let his offense shine. Like silverfish always said, if you try to make a bottom sixer, you're going to get one.

And again, it's not a defense-first thing. It's a confidence thing. Berard came up with a much needed jolt of confidence. He's willing to grab the puck and use his shot. What did he get for it? He barely played. How do you think he's going to react to that? He's going to stop playing with balls offensively.

People gave Torts shit for being too tough, but Carl Hagelin added a jolt to this team and Torts immediately gave him almost 16 a game. And that poor bastard couldn't play defense if he had a loaded gun.

We need to marry skill and direct play and have three lines that can do both. Not a top six that's useless at one and a bottom six that's useless at the other.

It's been multiple coaches now. It's become a culture and they need to take active steps to remove it.
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This is what I've been saying for a couple of years already. Too many gimmicky, one-trick-pony players and not enough well-rounded skill set players. Also, the bottom lines don't have the skills to consistently succeed but on the other hand, the top of the lineup needs to play the way the bottom players play, marrying that with their skills.
 
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Machinehead said:
Igor isn't performing at the level of those guys.

He's nowhere near the best goalie in the league. Hellebuyck has been better for years.

If Igor has 7 or 8 more years of the last 2 or 3, he's not a Hall of Famer.

We all just told ourselves he's the standalone best goalie in the league based on one season and vibes. It really is Carey Price all over again.
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Hell…I dunno if he’s the best goalie on the team Hahha!
 
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Machinehead said:
Carey Price is going to be a vibes Hall of Famer.

A good old Canadian boy that the Canadian media anointed for no reason.

In the years spanning his career, three goalies saved more goals above average, five goalies saved more goals above expected, and eight goalies had a better save percentage. He's barely a top-5 goalie during the years he played.

Rangers fans the MSG propaganda machine just anointed Igor.
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Price is a 100% lock for the HOF
He's also heavily overrated

Both things can be (and are) true.
 
didn't watch the last 10 of the 3rd and OT but overall...dunno, it was a fine game, they got goalie'd a bit but were often the ones pushing the pace back up the ice and setting the Avs back. They gave up some good chances but also generated a lot and the chances they gave up seemed more like the shit that's gonna happen when you play the Avs.
The Avs were pressing in the third and I'm not surprised they eventually tied it but in the first 10 minutes at least I did see the Rangers try to go back the other way and extend their lead, just didn't work out.

If the Rangers were comfortably in a playoff spot and all then this would be a "dang tough loss to a good team they could have beaten in this game but so it goes" but instead they put themselves in a position where even a close OT loss to a top team is a bad thing because they need every point they can get.
 
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For perspective, the History of Hockey Board is ranking goalies all time. Price is 21st, and Hellebuyck is one behind him at 22nd. (And tbh i think Hellebuyck is going to be surpassing him sooner rather than later).
Hank is 12th, the 2nd highest modern G besides Brodeur.

jigglysquishy

Post in thread 'HOH Top 60 Goaltenders of All Time (2024 Edition)'

Are we able to get the OP updated? We're a couple weeks back now.
 
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McRanger92 said:


Im fine with ragging on Igor but we're missing the point blaming him for not stealing a game the Rangers star players had every opportunity to win. Just my opinion.
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What's going on is that Panarin is no longer beating guys and he continues to make high-risk plays that go the other way while Laf has become spoiled, over-relying on Panarin to drive play and also set him up instead of making his own plays and also modeling his game after Panarin with the 200-foot-wide backhand passes and rarely venturing into the slot. They've made good plays here and there but for the most part they've enabled each other's worst performances.
 
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McRanger92 said:


Im fine with ragging on Igor but we're missing the point blaming him for not stealing a game the Rangers star players had every opportunity to win. Just my opinion.
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We can do both.

I have enough rage towards the institution of goaltending stored up that it's just gravy at this point.
 
will1066 said:
What's going on is that Panarin is no longer beating guys and he continues to make high-risk plays that go the other way while Laf has become spoiled, over-relying on Panarin to drive play and also set him up instead of making his own plays and also modeling his game after Panarin with the 200-foot-wide backhand passes and rarely venturing into the slot. They've made good plays here and there but for the most part they've enabled each other's worst performances.
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We built our team around guys who play 5v5 like they are on the powerplay. We've reaped what we sowed.

Machinehead said:
We can do both.

I have enough rage towards the institution of goaltending stored up that it's just gravy at this point.
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You're welcome to that, you're just wrong in this case.
 
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McRanger92 said:
You're welcome to that, you're just wrong in this case.
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Why is it "wrong?"

I don't like this notion that always comes up on here that we have to select the biggest problem and only complain about the biggest problem.

We have lots of problems.

Also, I don't even know if I agree with the premise! In less than a year a half, Panarin is most likely a memory. Igor is signed until 2034.

Which one of those is really an issue?
 
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I'd like to solve, Pat.
 
Machinehead said:
Why is it "wrong?"

I don't like this notion that always comes up on here that we have to select the biggest problem and only complain about the biggest problem.

We have lots of problems.

Also, I don't even know if I agree with the premise! In less than a year a half, Panarin is most likely a memory. Igor is signed until 2034.

Which one of those is really an issue?
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Because if Quick played in that game, we don't even get a point. I really didn't even think any of the goals Shesterkin gave up were soft. Kelly had about 40 feet a room on the first one, 2nd was a net mouth play with Lindgren on the ice and the OT goal was 3 on 3 pond hockey.

Not even really trying to defend Shesty because I'm a Lundqvist guy through and through, but I watched the whole game last night and at no point did I think our goaltending was an issue. Our top 6 can't hit the net in situations where Avalanche 4th liners snipe our Vezina winner.
 
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will1066 said:
What's going on is that Panarin is no longer beating guys and he continues to make high-risk plays that go the other way while Laf has become spoiled, over-relying on Panarin to drive play and also set him up instead of making his own plays and also modeling his game after Panarin with the 200-foot-wide backhand passes and rarely venturing into the slot. They've made good plays here and there but for the most part they've enabled each other's worst performances.
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hitting the net would be a good start. I feel like Laffy has missed a few open nets

The teams shooting talent is average to subpar imo
 
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