Post-Game Talk: 8 Years, $92 Million

[Bob Richards]

What do the little girl and Jokinen reaction faces mean?

I've used Olli a couple times, just because I think it's funny, but no idea what it signifies.

It’s an old and legendary HF meme from the old photoshop threads.

 

[LOFIN]

Would be an interesting experiment to see how far over the cap the last 5 Cup winners were. Significantly over i would assume. That's a variable no one ever talks about when looking back.

Vegas and Tampa were. Florida and Colorado were not (I think).

 

[Atax]

For some posters here, if Igor doesn't steal the game playing out of his mind and we lose, then he played like shit, no middle ground. Regardless if he did or not. He was average yesterday, but he didn't cost us the game, the game was cost by the top 9 not showing up again and doing nothing on the scoresheet. You have 9 players to blame before Igor on the loss.

I get what you're saying. But when you come out and demand to be the highest paid/best player on the team, you cant disappear for a month or two every season. His contract is going to sink this franchise for another 8 seasons. And some people think this is okay.

 

[JohnC]

Imagine expecting the guy who demanded he be the highest paid player on the team to play out of his mind. Or even to just clear the extremely lowered bar of “average”.

Jumbo, pls.

 

[Atax]

Imagine expecting the guy who demanded he be the highest paid player on the team to play out of his mind. Or even to just clear the extremely lowered bar of “average”.

Jumbo, pls.

Something something paid for the playoffs. That's the latest excuse. Its the same shit Mika defenders did. Meanwhile he lets in so many soft goals and disappears for months at a time each season.

 

[Fitzy]

We'd call a franchise center a "Necessary but not sufficient" condition for a championship.

Trocheck is an amazing all situations #2. He played 26 minutes last night. IDK how he has the breath to yap so much. Chytil has such skill but it's unlikely he will ever be a true star in this league because he doesn't have the IQ for it and misses so much time.

So pretty much everything relies on Mika somehow becoming 2019 again, because unless they trade or sign a Crosby type and move Mika to wing, those are our top 3 guys.

NYR might win the cup in 2014 if you replace one of our 3 2nd line centers at the time (Richards, Stepan, Brassard) with a guy on the level of a Kopitar, Barkov, you get the idea.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

This team is in a tough spot where we're all sick of the top talent and the top talent isn't really getting it done, but they would also need to replace that talent.

If Alexis Lafreniere is your best forward, you're not a playoff team.

It doesn't look good.

there is great disorder under heaven and the situation is excellent

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If the Rangers gave up a bundle for Eichel all the bitching would be about how they sold the farm for damaged goods.

We wouldn’t have a cup here as they would have been Panarin’d at some point. People tend to forget that the Vegas team that won was pretty good and we’d be stuck with a guy making big money who is good to miss 20+ games a year.

They should stay the f*** away when he hits free agency too.

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

The old core is finished and Gorton failed to put together a new core. Drury is going to end up doing his own teardown.

The old world is dying while the new world struggles to be born

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

The perfect microcosm of how we operate is Filip Chytil. I love the way he plays and I think he pretty much does everything right. He's never been in the band. He's 25 years old and he's still a roadie. I don't wanna hear about the injuries. When he plays, it's on the 3rd line. There's no excuse. He's a good player, but at the end of the day, he's probably around a 35-point guy. He was never given a chance to let his offense shine. Like silverfish always said, if you try to make a bottom sixer, you're going to get one.

It's amazing. He's been here like six years (?) and is still an up-and-comer, third-line center, not really a core piece. Many nights he is the best forward.

 

[Fitzy]

It's amazing. He's been here like six years (?) and is still an up-and-comer, third-line center, not really a core piece. Many nights he is the best forward.

It's not necesaarily bad to have a player like that as an X factor, you just can't expect them to be there and be an every game player, so he will likely never be slotted into a top minutes role.

 

[McRanger92]

Vegas and Tampa were. Florida and Colorado were not (I think).

Colorado didn’t LTIR Landeskog that season?

 

[LORDE]

Igor blew this game himself. Two completely stoppable softies.

Is this 8 years of us paying more for goaltending than anybody else but also losing the goalie battle every night?

Yes

 

[mandiblesofdoom]

I understand we weren’t as bad as we looked last month, but we simply are not good enough to win a Cup and there isn’t any other purpose for this roster than winning a Cup, which means it has to be taken apart and put back together.

You're right from our perspective. However, NYR organization is likely perfectly happy having a team with some marketable stars that makes the playoffs. That will make money for them & keep enough low-info fans engaged to make the whole thing work.

IOW our priorities are not necessarily their priorities.

You ever put together a piece of furniture and you get 90% of the way done (making it to the ECF) and then you realize that on step 4 of 18 you attached a piece backward and so you have to take the entire thing apart and put it back together if you want to complete it (win a Cup)? That’s us. It doesn’t matter how close we were. You can’t go forward until you take it apart and fix the problem(s). That’s been clear to me for a while, and is the only reason I had been SO pro trading everyone.

Good analogy.

 

[Machinehead]

Would be an interesting experiment to see how far over the cap the last 5 Cup winners were. Significantly over i would assume. That's a variable no one ever talks about when looking back.

I'm disappointed that we haven't made more of an effort to cheat.

That contract the Ducks gave Vatrano is kind of ludicrous. $18m over three years and somehow the AAV is 4.5.

If you can do that, why aren't we doing it?

 

[LOFIN]

Colorado didn’t LTIR Landeskog that season?

No. They did shut him down before the playoffs began for like 1.5 months (before TDL), but he was never placed on LTIR.

Despite being very stacked, the Avs had a lot of guys on absolute bargain contracts then.

 

[Machinehead]

If the Rangers gave up a bundle for Eichel all the bitching would be about how they sold the farm for damaged goods.

We wouldn’t have a cup here as they would have been Panarin’d at some point. People tend to forget that the Vegas team that won was pretty good and we’d be stuck with a guy making big money who is good to miss 20+ games a year.

They should stay the f*** away when he hits free agency too.

We're in an era where taking 20 games off and then coming into the playoffs rested while your team does cap shenanigans is an advantage.

 

[LOFIN]

It's not necesaarily bad to have a player like that as an X factor, you just can't expect them to be there and be an every game player, so he will likely never be slotted into a top minutes role.

You just described the entire roster, yet some of them still get the opportunities.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We're in an era where taking 20 games off and then coming into the playoffs rested while your team does cap shenanigans is an advantage.

We can’t afford to not have that player for 20+games.

We don’t do the shenanigans here. Had every opportunity to do it with Trouba last year and brought him back and Lindgren the year before and rushed him back before he broke himself again.

 

[Machinehead]

We can’t afford to not have that player for 20+games.

We don’t do the shenanigans here. Had every opportunity to do it with Trouba last year and brought him back and Lindgren the year before and rushed him back before he broke himself again.

That sounds like a Rangers problem, not an Eichel problem.

 

[Callafan24]

Honestly, we're icing two fourth lines and the team played pretty hard against a top opponent. Our compete level is night and day compared to last month.

I think Mika has been noticeably better the last 5-10 games. Borgen and Vaak have been relatively safe and sound defenders. Smith, Lindgren, Miller, Borgen all have value going into the trade deadline.

Get some picks at the deadline... make a hockey trade if available... sign a couple smart players in the off-season... hopefully see Berard, Othmann, Perrault, Emery take next steps... and I think the retool could be a lot quicker than it seems.

 

[McRanger92]

I'm disappointed that we haven't made more of an effort to cheat.

That contract the Ducks gave Vatrano is kind of ludicrous. $18m over three years and somehow the AAV is 4.5.

If you can do that, why aren't we doing it?

Remember in 23 we played with 4 D-men so we could trade for an injured Patrick Kane, and didn’t just put Lindgren on LTIR? We also brought Trouba back before the playoffs las year, instead of adding another defenseman, so he could “get acclimated”. That went well. His first comments after the playoffs ended were how bad he was hurt. My guy, you got hurt in March!

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Imagine expecting the guy who demanded he be the highest paid player on the team to play out of his mind. Or even to just clear the extremely lowered bar of “average”.

Jumbo, pls.

Even if he did play god mode every night, we’re still not good enough to win so who even cares. He at least delivers sometimes. Who else does? This team sucks and has a bleak future to boot, and is run by absolute dinosaur morons who are perpetually 20 years behind the times

 

[Machinehead]

Honestly, we're icing two fourth lines and the team played pretty hard against a top opponent. Our compete level is night and day compared to last month.

I think Mika has been noticeably better the last 5-10 games. Borgen and Vaak have been relatively safe and sound defenders. Smith, Lindgren, Miller, Borgen all have value going into the trade deadline.

Get some picks at the deadline... make a hockey trade if available... sign a couple smart players in the off-season... hopefully see Berard, Othmann, Perrault, Emery take next steps... and I think the retool could be a lot quicker than it seems.

I think they have enough pieces to get back to being a solid team pretty quickly.

Unfortunately, unless something hits beyond our wildest dreams, real core talent isn't currently in the organization nor is it readily available.

 

[will1066]

Even if he did play god mode every night, we’re still not good enough to win so who even cares. He at least delivers sometimes. Who else does? This team sucks and has a bleak future to boot, and is run by absolute dinosaur morons who are perpetually 20 years behind the times

We're seeing what happens when Panarin isn't elite anymore and doesn't pull individual-effort miracles out from his behind. When he did, he had a get-out-of-jail-free card for his list of various transgressions. Now that he doesn't anymore -- at least regularly -- his card should get revoked.