GDT: #7 | Wild at Flyers | October 26, 2023 | 7:30 PM | ESPN+/Hulu

[BernieParent]

The unwillingness to break up the fourth line or even consider scratching someone from the 4th line seems like a pretty bizarre place to stamp as an absolute.

What kind of cool acronym is FHD, unless you are a nerd? And the Flyers are not nerds.

 

[Rebels57]

The worst fixed line is the Couts line. He continues to get saddled with players he generally has to drag around. The whole lineup is a mess and it is a sick joke that Deslauriers is immune from being healthy scratched.

Tippett and Foerster are struggling worse than Frost was in his two games. I'm not sure why they're getting free passes, either.

There are at least three candidates to sit so Frost can get back in the lineup. Torts is just flexing his authority to make an example out of Frost for some reason. Those reasons are entirely his own because we'll never get a full explanation publicly.

Cates is getting the linemates Frost should be getting in the hopes Cates will suddenly become an offensive dynamo... and of course he scores against Vegas and probably should have had one more, so Torts thinks the plan is working... infuriating.

The good news is, Torts is already actively making them worse again. The bad news is, it's at the expense of Frosts future here.

 

[mr4tno]

We're rapidly getting towards the waive, instead of trade stage.

It'll be ironic if they depress Frost's value so badly that they end up waiving him, and he gets claimed by Chicago in the same year the Flyers finally got Patrick Sharp back in the fold.

You can't make that stuff up....

 

[mr4tno]

Is it confirmed Frost is scratched again? Forester had a rough outing last game, why doesn't he sit?

While I like the way they are staying with Forrester, why was this not afforded to Frost? It is almost as if they are doing something that a legit org would do (Forrester), so they have to counter that with something Flyer-esque (moronic)

 

[hockeynormy]

perhaps Frost was gambling and Hart entered the room while he was gambling but did not participate.

 

[wankstifier]

I'm dying for them to waive Frost. Some team will snatch up him and slot him into the top 6/PP. How would Tortorella survive that? How would O'Connor cope?

 

[bennysflyers16]

The good news is, Torts is already actively making them worse again. The bad news is, it's at the expense of Frosts future here.

Torts keep trying to win, Frost has no future here, so let them rack up losses !!!

 

[Sombastate]

I, for one, don't want to lose a promising young center just to prove a point.

But Torts is a f*** face. A Face of f***s.

Complaining about Torts aside, games like this are why I love fantasy. I can root Faber and Rossi, while watching my team likely suck

 

[bennysflyers16]

I, for one, don't want to lose a promising young center just to prove a point.

But Torts is a f*** face. A Face of f***s.

Complaining about Torts aside, games like this are why I love fantasy. I can root Faber and Rossi, while watching my team likely suck

No one wants to lose Frost less 2 posters here and a few authentic morons on twitter.

But Frosts time here is over and they will look like fools when he becomes a productive top 9 fwd somewhere else.

 

[Sombastate]

No one wants to lose Frost less 2 posters here and a few authentic morons on twitter.

But Frosts time here is over and they will look like fools when he becomes a productive top 9 fwd somewhere else.

a tail as old as time

 

[Curufinwe]

After he leaves, Frost will only score against bad teams like the Flyers.

 

[VladDrag]

The worst fixed line is the Couts line. He continues to get saddled with players he generally has to drag around. The whole lineup is a mess and it is a sick joke that Deslauriers is immune from being healthy scratched.

Tippett and Foerster are struggling worse than Frost was in his two games. I'm not sure why they're getting free passes, either.

There are at least three candidates to sit so Frost can get back in the lineup. Torts is just flexing his authority to make an example out of Frost for some reason. Those reasons are entirely his own because we'll never get a full explanation publicly.

Cates is getting the linemates Frost should be getting in the hopes Cates will suddenly become an offensive dynamo... and of course he scores against Vegas and probably should have had one more, so Torts thinks the plan is working... infuriating.

Even when you watch these games (and I know you do), Cates isn't the guy facilitating on that line. The same when he was with TK last year. Brink/Farabee are moving around cycling the puck, making the plays that result in offensive chances, Cates is reaping the benefits...And I said this last GDT, I like Cates. He's a valuable player, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking that he's a main piece of that line that makes it tick. He's not.

 

[deadhead]

Even when you watch these games (and I know you do), Cates isn't the guy facilitating on that line. The same when he was with TK last year. Brink/Farabee are moving around cycling the puck, making the plays that result in offensive chances, Cates is reaping the benefits...And I said this last GDT, I like Cates. He's a valuable player, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking that he's a main piece of that line that makes it tick. He's not.

I said a week ago that Brink was driving that line, but it shows that the center doesn't have to be the playmaker. Cates excels both at retrieving pucks (both with stick work in crowds and forcing turnovers) and his defense provides CYA for an offense first forward like Brink. It's a matter of line chemistry.

Same way if you keep Gauthier at center, you want him to have a playmaker on the wing, and to embrace his defensive responsibilities - a center who gets back and in position makes it easier on his wings and lets them play more aggressively.

One reason to keep an eye on Rizzo, he's running the Denver offense the way Brink did two years ago - if he can improve his skating to NHL levels - he might become an engine to drive a line from LW. Michkov will be the line driver from RW when he comes over - he has to have the puck on his stick.

You might even consider putting a defense first LW like Desnoyers with Frost and Tippett for balance.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Frost might not be in, but at least Belpedio is playing. Take the small victories when you get them.

Deslauriers has never been healthy scratched once as a Flyer. His 2 games missed were injury. Frost at a big ol’ 6 games.

#Rebuilding...

 

[VladDrag]

I said a week ago that Brink was driving that line, but it shows that the center doesn't have to be the playmaker. Cates excels both at retrieving pucks (both with stick work in crowds and forcing turnovers) and his defense provides CYA for an offense first forward like Brink. It's a matter of line chemistry.

Same way if you keep Gauthier at center, you want him to have a playmaker on the wing, and to embrace his defensive responsibilities - a center who gets back and in position makes it easier on his wings and lets them play more aggressively.

One reason to keep an eye on Rizzo, he's running the Denver offense the way Brink did two years ago - if he can improve his skating to NHL levels - he might become an engine to drive a line from LW. Michkov will be the line driver from RW when he comes over - he has to have the puck on his stick.

You might even consider putting a defense first LW like Desnoyers with Frost and Tippett for balance.

I don't disagree with the bolded. Just get gud players. That's my adopted moto from Jojo.

I don't believe Gauthier is a center. I've watched him a fair bit. I'll keep watching him and my opinion might change, tho.

If you had a line of Farabee-Cates-Brink, and a line of Denoyers-Frost-Tippett, I would loose my shit. Holy hell would that be insane. We've talked about this before, Frost is a play facilitator, and you maximize his effectiveness when he's with other high end skill guys. We saw how useless he looked with scrub players. Use his play with TK, he's now played 291 mins at 5v5 between 20-23 and they both benefit offensively and defensively. They generate within the same realm of xGF of McDavid and Draisaitl. I'm not saying they are those players, but the point is that they are very good offensively together.

And by contrast, you're still going to get the strong defensive play from Cates. I'm all on board with a fourth line of a Cates-Poehling-Hathaway (or similar). That is Cates' wheelhouse.

 

[Magua]

Even when you watch these games (and I know you do), Cates isn't the guy facilitating on that line. The same when he was with TK last year. Brink/Farabee are moving around cycling the puck, making the plays that result in offensive chances, Cates is reaping the benefits...And I said this last GDT, I like Cates. He's a valuable player, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking that he's a main piece of that line that makes it tick. He's not.

We aren't in danger of deluding ourselves, but unfortunately those with roster control.....

I know you know this, but how Tortorella talked about him from the jump in camp spelled out he would be the 2C, given the best wingers, and virtually forced into success (or their definition of it).

"If you know Noah, he’s been thinking about that from the get-go that he wants to be a complete player and put up points. A lot of people don’t talk about his offense. I think he had a good offensive year and how much I gave him as such a young guy that switched positions from wing to center at a National Hockey League team, a team that was struggling to find its way last year and going through the process and I still think he put up some pretty decent numbers."

I don't think it gets more obvious comparing these two centers who is coddled and set up for success......and who is dumped on and set up to fail. Favoritism 101.

 

[mize370]

Surprised Zamula is not scratched for mete also.

 

[VladDrag]

We aren't in danger of deluding ourselves, but unfortunately those with roster control.....

I know you know this, but how Tortorella talked about him from the jump in camp spelled out he would be the 2C, given the best wingers, and virtually forced into success (or their definition of it).





I don't think it gets more obvious comparing these two centers who is coddled and set up for success......and who is dumped on and set up to fail. Favoritism 101.

The funniest part about the changes, I can’t tell you how many times Frost changed early last year. Tippett would be out there for 30 more seconds. I am not just saying that either. I posted that at one point last year in a GDT.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm dying for them to waive Frost. Some team will snatch up him and slot him into the top 6/PP. How would Tortorella survive that? How would O'Connor cope?

They'd blame Frost.

 

[deadhead]

I don't disagree with the bolded. Just get gud players. That's my adopted moto from Jojo.

I don't believe Gauthier is a center. I've watched him a fair bit. I'll keep watching him and my opinion might change, tho.

If you had a line of Farabee-Cates-Brink, and a line of Denoyers-Frost-Tippett, I would loose my shit. Holy hell would that be insane. We've talked about this before, Frost is a play facilitator, and you maximize his effectiveness when he's with other high end skill guys. We saw how useless he looked with scrub players. Use his play with TK, he's now played 291 mins at 5v5 between 20-23 and they both benefit offensively and defensively. They generate within the same realm of xGF of McDavid and Draisaitl. I'm not saying they are those players, but the point is that they are very good offensively together.

And by contrast, you're still going to get the strong defensive play from Cates. I'm all on board with a fourth line of a Cates-Poehling-Hathaway (or similar). That is Cates' wheelhouse.

Cates is too good to waste on the 4th line unless some players surprise like Rizzo, Barkey and Gendron and suddenly there's no room in the top nine.

Desnoyers showed a scoring touch in LHV last year so I'd like to see what he could do with another year of seasoning. He wasn't ready in camp, I think he may need another offseason to add strength, but scoring 23 goals at 20 years old in the AHL with good defense is worth watching.

Line chemistry can be hard to predict if you don't have a G - Couts pair (almost everyone looked good with them), one reason players get shuffled early in the season.

Right now Farabee - Cates - Brink are playing lights out, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Problem is figuring out the other two lines.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Cates is too good to waste on the 4th line unless some players surprise like Rizzo, Barkey and Gendron and suddenly there's no room in the top nine.

Desnoyers showed a scoring touch in LHV last year so I'd like to see what he could do with another year of seasoning. He wasn't ready in camp, I think he may need another offseason to add strength, but scoring 23 goals at 20 years old in the AHL with good defense is worth watching.

Line chemistry can be hard to predict if you don't have a G - Couts pair (almost everyone looked good with them), one reason players get shuffled early in the season.

Right now Farabee - Cates - Brink are playing lights out, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Problem is figuring out the other two lines.

He wouldn't be wasted on the 4th line. Not unless the team has a completely idiotic approach to 4th lines. Do they?

 

[Magua]

“Cates is too good to waste on the 4th line.”

*wildly points to Frost in the press box for a 5th straight game for no reason*

 

[Beef Invictus]

Fleury is getting the start for Wild. That bumps the game much closer to being in the Flyers' favor in the eyes of the bookies

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Fleury is getting the start for Wild. That bumps the game much closer to being in the Flyers' favor in the eyes of the bookies

Was there a late change? I saw Gus is getting the start for Minny.

Can't find anything saying Fleury, but I also don't use Elon Musk Social Media.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Dailyfaceoff.com has Gustavsson as the confirmed starter. Had to find another site to use since goaliepost is apparently dead.