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Prospect Info: #69(nice)OA - Hurricanes select LHD Alexander Nikishin (Spartak - KHL)

Blueline Bomber said:
The same Tom Wilson that has, repeatedly, injured players on questionable hits/plays? The one that was apparently telling the Canes players “Hey, I’m going to injure your team” in the first period of this last game, and then proceeded to try and do just that for the rest of the game? That’s the one we apparently shouldn’t be worried about?

You can call my take soft. I call my take logical. The game means nothing, we KNOW he’s going to start shit next game, why risk the highly touted prospect we’ve been waiting half a decade for? Oh no, he might miss one game and that won’t allow him to get acclimated. You know what else might prevent him from getting acclimated? A concussion.
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You are right re; Wilson....the next game is his window to cause mayhem/hurt. If we meet in the playoffs, he will need to be more judicious or he will take his team out of games.

btw: a Russian observer suggested that Nikishin may not be healthy even though he is playing.
 
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Blueline Bomber said:
The same Tom Wilson that has, repeatedly, injured players on questionable hits/plays? The one that was apparently telling the Canes players “Hey, I’m going to injure your team” in the first period of this last game, and then proceeded to try and do just that for the rest of the game? That’s the one we apparently shouldn’t be worried about?

You can call my take soft. I call my take logical. The game means nothing, we KNOW he’s going to start shit next game, why risk the highly touted prospect we’ve been waiting half a decade for? Oh no, he might miss one game and that won’t allow him to get acclimated. You know what else might prevent him from getting acclimated? A concussion.
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Did you ever play a competitive contact sport?
 
Blueline Bomber said:
The same Tom Wilson that has, repeatedly, injured players on questionable hits/plays? The one that was apparently telling the Canes players “Hey, I’m going to injure your team” in the first period of this last game, and then proceeded to try and do just that for the rest of the game? That’s the one we apparently shouldn’t be worried about?

You can call my take soft. I call my take logical. The game means nothing, we KNOW he’s going to start shit next game, why risk the highly touted prospect we’ve been waiting half a decade for? Oh no, he might miss one game and that won’t allow him to get acclimated. You know what else might prevent him from getting acclimated? A concussion.
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Wilson is going to Wilson, regardless if we play Nikishin or not. If we, as a team, are better equipped to deal with Wilson with Nikishin in the lineup, then he should play.
 
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Wilson is going to Wilson, regardless if we play Nikishin or not. If we, as a team, are better equipped to deal with Wilson with Nikishin in the lineup, then he should play.
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That's either a contradictory statement or a statement in favor of my line of thinking, depending on how you mean "deal with Wilson."

If "Wilson is going to Wilson", regardless of whether we play Nikishin, then playing Nikishin as some kind of deterrent (which is how this conversation started) is faulty logic. If "Wilson is going to Wilson", there's no way to "deal with him," regardless of who's in the lineup, so exposing Nikishin to his antics is only a risk with no reward.

If the argument is that the team is going to play better against Wilson with Nikishin in the lineup, I'll say three things. 1 - You don't know that, 2. We "dealt with Wilson" pretty effectively last game without Nikishin, so again, what benefit is there to risking him in the next game, and 3. Next game is effectively pointless in terms of who wins or loses, so the only thought process should be "How do we get through these next 8 games without injury to the players that are most going to help us in the playoffs?" If we believe Nikishin is one of those players, playing him in a lame duck game against a "Wilson who is going to Wilson" seems counterintuitive to that objective.
 
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Blueline Bomber said:
That's either a contradictory statement or a statement in favor of my line of thinking, depending on how you mean "deal with Wilson."

If "Wilson is going to Wilson", regardless of whether we play Nikishin, then playing Nikishin as some kind of deterrent (which is how this conversation started) is faulty logic. If "Wilson is going to Wilson", there's no way to "deal with him," regardless of who's in the lineup, so exposing Nikishin to his antics is only a risk with no reward.

If the argument is that the team is going to play better against Wilson with Nikishin in the lineup, I'll say three things. 1 - You don't know that, 2. We "dealt with Wilson" pretty effectively last game without Nikishin, so again, what benefit is there to risking him in the next game, and 3. Next game is effectively pointless in terms of who wins or loses, so the only thought process should be "How do we get through these next 8 games without injury to the players that are most going to help us in the playoffs?" If we believe Nikishin is one of those players, playing him in a lame duck game against a "Wilson who is going to Wilson" seems counterintuitive to that objective.
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That's why I say call up someone for the pure intent of targeting Wilson all game and steering all that bullshit onto himself. The only way to counter someone who is going to play with intent to injure is to steer that energy in the direction you want. You don't want Nikishin to be that guy, but maybe you could with a AHL call up?
 
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Nikishin al Gaib said:
That's why I say call up someone for the pure intent of targeting Wilson all game and steering all that bullshit onto himself. The only way to counter someone who is going to play with intent to injure is to steer that energy in the direction you want. You don't want Nikishin to be that guy, but maybe you could with a AHL call up?
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I don't think we have anyone in the AHL that can play that type of game though? It's mostly similar smaller skilled guys that we've drafted over the past few years mirroring largely what we have on the team. We've not drafted a "tough guy" or Rempe type in forever.
 
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Nikishin al Gaib said:
That's why I say call up someone for the pure intent of targeting Wilson all game and steering all that bullshit onto himself. The only way to counter someone who is going to play with intent to injure is to steer that energy in the direction you want. You don't want Nikishin to be that guy, but maybe you could with a AHL call up?
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Come on, we’ve all watched the game long enough to know what’s going to happen next game. If both teams have their regular lineup, Wilson will fight Chatfield the first opportunity available, Chatfield will lose (because yeah, obviously), then the game will progress as usual. If both teams don’t have their regular lineup, both coaches will start their 4th line, there’ll be a line brawl off the opening faceoff, then the game will progress as usual.
 
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Blueline Bomber said:
That's either a contradictory statement or a statement in favor of my line of thinking, depending on how you mean "deal with Wilson."

If "Wilson is going to Wilson", regardless of whether we play Nikishin, then playing Nikishin as some kind of deterrent (which is how this conversation started) is faulty logic. If "Wilson is going to Wilson", there's no way to "deal with him," regardless of who's in the lineup, so exposing Nikishin to his antics is only a risk with no reward.

If the argument is that the team is going to play better against Wilson with Nikishin in the lineup, I'll say three things. 1 - You don't know that, 2. We "dealt with Wilson" pretty effectively last game without Nikishin, so again, what benefit is there to risking him in the next game, and 3. Next game is effectively pointless in terms of who wins or loses, so the only thought process should be "How do we get through these next 8 games without injury to the players that are most going to help us in the playoffs?" If we believe Nikishin is one of those players, playing him in a lame duck game against a "Wilson who is going to Wilson" seems counterintuitive to that objective.
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I think the best hope to get through that game with minimal shenanigans is for Ovi to be tied with Wayne coming in. Then the league will tell the refs to tighten the leash to make sure nothing overshadows the record being broken (potentially).

So you'd have Chatfield fight someone and that's the end of it.

I'd also hope in that scenario the Caps executives/coach would try to keep things reigned in a bit as well so as not to overshadow Ovi.
 
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Blueline Bomber said:
Come on, we’ve all watched the game long enough to know what’s going to happen next game. If both teams have their regular lineup, Wilson will fight Chatfield the first opportunity available, Chatfield will lose (because yeah, obviously), then the game will progress as usual. If both teams don’t have their regular lineup, both coaches will start their 4th line, there’ll be a line brawl off the opening faceoff, then the game will progress as usual.
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Isn't that kinda what happened with that one game between Caps & Rags after their heated end to one of their games? Squared up a couple times at puck-drop and then the rest of the game proceeded without incident.

That said, it'd be better to let Wilson drop the gloves and draw himself a 5min + game misconduct trying to goad Chatty into a fight and just let them penalize themselves into submission to start the game and then things settle down?
 
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I don’t understand the Wilson fuss. There’s zero need to adjust anything. If he goes Wilson he’ll get tossed five minutes in. If there’s an issue it’s that the whole team is going to play tough against us, and we have a limited answer to that. Almost no one in the minors is changing that for us. The Caps are probably using this as a tuneup for aggressive playoff hockey, while setting the tone of physical dominance over us in case we end up playing each other. We have no real answer to that, though we’re better prepared than we have been in other years. That’s a summer problem to fix, there’s no one game solution. I’m with @Blueline Bomber in that there’s zero to gain from sending a banged up Nikishin just to help keep our pride a bit when these guys start throwing us around. Thats up to the guys in that locker room right now to figure out because this is part of the reason we don’t get that far in the playoffs imo. Physical and mental toughness. One guy doesn’t fix that and again the amount of expectation we heap on Nikishin is unfair. Just let the guy figure out how to be an NHL defenseman instead of making him an answer to Tom Wilson in his first games. Maybe the kid has that in him but we have zero reason to think that, they don’t have anything remotely like Tom Wilson in the KHL. Nikishin is nothing like 18 year old Svech trying to take on Ovy but setting the guy up to take on the modern Cam Neely a week into his career is just poor planning.

Hopefully it isn’t Wilson fighting Chatty, they have plenty of guys that’ll throw. Wilson on Chatty doesn’t show team toughness, it’s letting the monster out of his cage. They need him to not get suspended.
 
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I don’t understand the Wilson fuss. There’s zero need to adjust anything. If he goes Wilson he’ll get tossed five minutes in. If there’s an issue it’s that the whole team is going to play tough against us, and we have a limited answer to that. Almost no one in the minors is changing that for us. The Caps are probably using this as a tuneup for aggressive playoff hockey, while setting the tone of physical dominance over us in case we end up playing each other. We have no real answer to that, though we’re better prepared than we have been in other years. That’s a summer problem to fix, there’s no one game solution. I’m with @Blueline Bomber in that there’s zero to gain from sending a banged up Nikishin just to help keep our pride a bit when these guys start throwing us around. Thats up to the guys in that locker room right now to figure out because this is part of the reason we don’t get that far in the playoffs imo. Physical and mental toughness. One guy doesn’t fix that and again the amount of expectation we heap on Nikishin is unfair. Just let the guy figure out how to be an NHL defenseman instead of making him an answer to Tom Wilson in his first games. Maybe the kid has that in him but we have zero reason to think that, they don’t have anything remotely like Tom Wilson in the KHL. Nikishin is nothing like 18 year old Svech trying to take on Ovy but setting the guy up to take on the modern Cam Neely a week into his career is just poor planning.

Hopefully it isn’t Wilson fighting Chatty, they have plenty of guys that’ll throw. Wilson on Chatty doesn’t show team toughness, it’s letting the monster out of his cage. They need him to not get suspended.
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We should be putting guys out there to totally antagonize Wilson. Get him to do something stupid right before the playoffs start. Without him, the Caps are less of a threat and the way they are playing now, very beatable by their first round opponent. I think they are feeling the pressure of the Gr8 Chase and will have a let down after it is reached. They seem very vulnerable given all of that, and if Wilson gets some playoff games in the press box, all the better.
 
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MinJaBen said:
We should be putting guys out there to totally antagonize Wilson. Get him to do something stupid right before the playoffs start. Without him, the Caps are less of a threat and the way they are playing now, very beatable by their first round opponent. I think they are feeling the pressure of the Gr8 Chase and will have a let down after it is reached. They seem very vulnerable given all of that, and if Wilson gets some playoff games in the press box, all the better.
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I think the Ovy thing is a huge distraction too. It’s taken away the focus of their amazing season, and they also play Ovy a ton to get him there. Will the coach make an adjustment to that once he gets it? I highly doubt he actually wants to play Ovy that much, he’s imo a decade removed from doing much other than what he does. Goals help you win but that’s probably not the system the coach wants for the playoffs. They won the cup when Ovy became a lesser role and they had better team depth. Ovy has been pushing harder this year than he has in any year of recent memory for obvious reasons, I’d think there’s a let down in his play as well. It wouldn’t shock me if he retired the night he did it, though I think he’s going to keep playing.
 
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There can be no complaints saying he dogged it to lose to leave faster…. So if they are eliminated then there is more justification to end the contract early for good service to the club… he fought hard for the club to the end and even helped extend the playoffs with goals etc…. We have to remember that there is no guarantee he gets out early from deal…. Disappointed they won as it messes with our ideal scenario of him getting here asap to get games before playoffs. Hate it… but cool that he is pushing and not just phoning it in so he can move to his next challenge in nhl…
 
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