GDT: #67 ⋅ ANA @ STL ⋅ 5:00 PM PDT

[Hockey Duckie]

That was a lot of reading. I would like to point out. Killhorn is useless.lol.

That wasn't a lot of reading. It was a long post due to all the screenshots of charts as receipts for the rebuttal.

A $7 mil AAV player (Terry) needs to be doing more offensively, according to you, despite leading the team in scoring and around an 0.80 ppg rate. A $6.25 mil AAV player (Killorn) producing at a 0.42 ppg rate, isn't one of the top-7 scorers on the team and he's useless, according to you. Trouba is making $8 mil AAV and his ppg rate is at 0.17, but no comment on team's most expensive player not doing more offensively. If you're using AAV salary as your contention of ire, then your conclusions are askew.

 

[HanSolo]

That wasn't a lot of reading. It was a long post due to all the screenshots of charts as receipts for the rebuttal.

A $7 mil AAV player (Terry) needs to be doing more offensively, according to you, despite leading the team in scoring and around an 0.80 ppg rate. A $6.25 mil AAV player (Killorn) producing at a 0.42 ppg rate, isn't one of the top-7 scorers on the team and he's useless, according to you. Trouba is making $8 mil AAV and his ppg rate is at 0.17, but no comment on team's most expensive player not doing more offensively. If you're using AAV salary as your contention of ire, then your conclusions are askew.

I think all of us accept that Trouba is overpaid for what he contributes and weren't expecting more offense. The Killorn comparison is more apt.

Killorn is overpaid by about 2 million even considering a rising cap market.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

I find myself tuning out when I tune in recently.

 

[quackquackquack]

I'm usually pretty optimistic and i've been really happy with the team's performance this season (Compared to Last) but damn that was rough yesterday. Probably the worst game of the year.

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

Would be kinda funny if Trouba gets suspended for that hit on Kyrou last night and they bring up Solberg to play a couple and he ends up throwing way more hits than Trouba usually does.

TroubASS should be suspended... indefinitely, so I never have to see him again. Starting to understand why Rangers fans got sick of him, I'm already over it and it's been, what, 30 games?

 

[Mr Rogers]

I find myself tuning out when I tune in recently.

I'm usually pretty optimistic and i've been really happy with the team's performance this season (Compared to Last) but damn that was rough yesterday. Probably the worst game of the year.

Road games (home games kind of too) against the Blues and other teams like that are kind of becoming memes at this point. You know the Ducks are gonna get absolutely smothered and stifled and likely get outplayed significantly. I think we're gonna lose to both Nashville and Dallas - wouldn't be surprised if one or both aren't close as well.

 

[JAHV]

I find myself tuning out when I tune in recently.

The last few seasons I've hit that point a lot earlier. Usually by December or January, I'm watching games but starting to fast forward as soon as they get two goals down (I normally watch games on delay). I've only done that once or twice this year, partly because they've rarely been out of games, but also because even when they go down a couple, there's usually fight in them.

Once they gave up the 4th goal last night, I was done. And it seems like the team has given up. There's no excuse for a team that's supposed to be fighting for their playoff lives for the first time in 8 years to completely crap the bed as many times as they have the last two weeks.

 

[The Duck Knight]

Road games (home games kind of too) against the Blues and other teams like that are kind of becoming memes at this point. You know the Ducks are gonna get absolutely smothered and stifled and likely get outplayed significantly. I think we're gonna lose to both Nashville and Dallas - wouldn't be surprised if one or both aren't close as well.

Dallas is definitely going to spank us. They are going to be super motivated. Struggling lately and lost the first 2 games to us this year.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Not just last night, but I mentioned awhile back that giving them 24-25 minutes a game was going to have consequences. Gudas can’t handle a top pairing workload. I think LaCombe would be more dynamic if he wasn’t on the PK.

How about the game before the Preds, which was against Utah? He earned a PP point in that game. Players do have some off games here and there. Sometimes, the whole team puts up a stinker too or the other team puts the Ducks in a stinker mode.

LaCombe is probably our best defensive d-man and our fastest skater, which makes him ideal for the PK. Therein lies the problem with you wanting LaCombe off the PK unit. You want LaCombe off the PK unit to become more dynamic at 5v5 when LaCombe's skyrocketing plays has been dynamic at 5v5 while also PK'ing. I'm very lost with this idea of taking your best defensive defenseman off the PK unit just to appease someone's fantasy points game thingie.

In the 7-2 loss to the Blues, the Blues had 5 PP opportunities and scored on three of them. Trouba-Helleson were on two PK opportunities that were scored upon to only one PK opportunity against LaCombe-Gudas. Helleson and Trouba played less than LaCombe-Gudas, but allowed more goals against on the PK. We would lose far more games by taking LaCombe off the PK unit.

Ducks SH TOI
#7 Gudas: 3:19
#2 LaCombe: 3:18
#43 Helleson: 2:30
#65 Trouba: 1:40
#34 Minty: 0:49

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Terry, LaCombe, and our netminders

Anaheim has two skaters and their netminders carrying this team. The problem is that we have only two skaters out of the 20 skaters on the ice per game that are carrying the team. We should be querying why we don't have others stepping up? Instead, we get "Terry should be doing more" and "LaCombe could be doing more if he weren't on the PK unit". Terry and LaCombe are thriving despite the coaching staff (save goalie coach), but not many of us are seeing that. Kudos to goalie coach Budaj for our netminders taking it to another level.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I think all of us accept that Trouba is overpaid for what he contributes and weren't expecting more offense. The Killorn comparison is more apt.

Killorn is overpaid by about 2 million even considering a rising cap market.

Not "all" agree with that context.

At least one poster is a stickler for using AAV salary as the basis for players needing to do more offensively. Let's not forget that is the OG poster's basis for the discussion. If that's the basis, then let's apply it fully to expose the faultiness of the basis for the discussion.

 

[duckpuck]

That wasn't a lot of reading. It was a long post due to all the screenshots of charts as receipts for the rebuttal.

A $7 mil AAV player (Terry) needs to be doing more offensively, according to you, despite leading the team in scoring and around an 0.80 ppg rate. A $6.25 mil AAV player (Killorn) producing at a 0.42 ppg rate, isn't one of the top-7 scorers on the team and he's useless, according to you. Trouba is making $8 mil AAV and his ppg rate is at 0.17, but no comment on team's most expensive player not doing more offensively. If you're using AAV salary as your contention of ire, then your conclusions are askew.

That's a really low bar. Terry disappears for long periods of time. He seems to be controlling play less than in the past. And he doesn't seem to have a lot of passion/energy most days. That is my frustration with him.

 

[duckpuck]

TroubASS should be suspended... indefinitely, so I never have to see him again. Starting to understand why Rangers fans got sick of him, I'm already over it and it's been, what, 30 games?

Trouba is what he is. Flawed though he might be, he brings what the ducks need. I'm not disappointed or surprised by his play. He's a bridge to the younger guys.

 

[quackquackquack]

Road games (home games kind of too) against the Blues and other teams like that are kind of becoming memes at this point. You know the Ducks are gonna get absolutely smothered and stifled and likely get outplayed significantly. I think we're gonna lose to both Nashville and Dallas - wouldn't be surprised if one or both aren't close as well.

The odd thing is...i'm not overly impressed by St Louis roster. They are slow but they are big. I guess the bigger teams just cause a lot of problems for us. Feels like we should be in a better position based on some of our younger skaters and their speed

 

[Deuce22]

How about the game before the Preds, which was against Utah? He earned a PP point in that game. Players do have some off games here and there. Sometimes, the whole team puts up a stinker too or the other team puts the Ducks in a stinker mode.

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LaCombe is probably our best defensive d-man and our fastest skater, which makes him ideal for the PK. Therein lies the problem with you wanting LaCombe off the PK unit. You want LaCombe off the PK unit to become more dynamic at 5v5 when LaCombe's skyrocketing plays has been dynamic at 5v5 while also PK'ing. I'm very lost with this idea of taking your best defensive defenseman off the PK unit just to appease someone's fantasy points game thingie.

In the 7-2 loss to the Blues, the Blues had 5 PP opportunities and scored on three of them. Trouba-Helleson were on two PK opportunities that were scored upon to only one PK opportunity against LaCombe-Gudas. Helleson and Trouba played less than LaCombe-Gudas, but allowed more goals against on the PK. We would lose far more games by taking LaCombe off the PK unit.

Ducks SH TOI
#7 Gudas: 3:19
#2 LaCombe: 3:18
#43 Helleson: 2:30
#65 Trouba: 1:40
#34 Minty: 0:49

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Terry, LaCombe, and our netminders

Anaheim has two skaters and their netminders carrying this team. The problem is that we have only two skaters out of the 20 skaters on the ice per game that are carrying the team. We should be querying why we don't have others stepping up? Instead, we get "Terry should be doing more" and "LaCombe could be doing more if he weren't on the PK unit". Terry and LaCombe are thriving despite the coaching staff (save goalie coach), but not many of us are seeing that. Kudos to goalie coach Budaj for our netminders taking it to another level.

Winning games now shouldn’t be the main goal. Developing our players should be. LaCombe’s play has fallen off recently and it concerns me.

 

[Deuce22]

How about the game before the Preds, which was against Utah? He earned a PP point in that game. Players do have some off games here and there. Sometimes, the whole team puts up a stinker too or the other team puts the Ducks in a stinker mode.

View attachment 994192

LaCombe is probably our best defensive d-man and our fastest skater, which makes him ideal for the PK. Therein lies the problem with you wanting LaCombe off the PK unit. You want LaCombe off the PK unit to become more dynamic at 5v5 when LaCombe's skyrocketing plays has been dynamic at 5v5 while also PK'ing. I'm very lost with this idea of taking your best defensive defenseman off the PK unit just to appease someone's fantasy points game thingie.

In the 7-2 loss to the Blues, the Blues had 5 PP opportunities and scored on three of them. Trouba-Helleson were on two PK opportunities that were scored upon to only one PK opportunity against LaCombe-Gudas. Helleson and Trouba played less than LaCombe-Gudas, but allowed more goals against on the PK. We would lose far more games by taking LaCombe off the PK unit.

Ducks SH TOI
#7 Gudas: 3:19
#2 LaCombe: 3:18
#43 Helleson: 2:30
#65 Trouba: 1:40
#34 Minty: 0:49

View attachment 994202

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Terry, LaCombe, and our netminders

Anaheim has two skaters and their netminders carrying this team. The problem is that we have only two skaters out of the 20 skaters on the ice per game that are carrying the team. We should be querying why we don't have others stepping up? Instead, we get "Terry should be doing more" and "LaCombe could be doing more if he weren't on the PK unit". Terry and LaCombe are thriving despite the coaching staff (save goalie coach), but not many of us are seeing that. Kudos to goalie coach Budaj for our netminders taking it to another level.

Selectively posting game score charts which boost your narrative isn’t fooling everyone.

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

Not just last night, but I mentioned awhile back that giving them 24-25 minutes a game was going to have consequences. Gudas can’t handle a top pairing workload. I think LaCombe would be more dynamic if he wasn’t on the PK.

LaCombe has shown flashes of being an all-situations 1D; I'd rather him get the experience down the stretch now and see what we've got headed into next year (same reason why I'd like to see some of the younger forwards get some work on the PK, it's not like they could regress it any more than it already is). None of the other defensemen are ready for that type of workload, Gudas just happens to be the one who drew the short straw.

 

[HanSolo]

Not "all" agree with that context.

At least one poster is a stickler for using AAV salary as the basis for players needing to do more offensively. Let's not forget that is the OG poster's basis for the discussion. If that's the basis, then let's apply it fully to expose the faultiness of the basis for the discussion.

He's a defensive defenseman who got paid on the presumption that he'd be more of a two way producer by a different team who negotiated the contract. It's kind of splitting hairs. I'm with you that Terry's production is more than fine for what he is and the role he has on this team. This day and age, point per game players are making between 8.5 and 12 million on their contracts.

The whataboutism over how Trouba is producing is a facile argument because everyone knew before he played a single game for us that he wasn't going to be an offensive producer. He was brought in to shore up the defensive play and add physicality to the team. Using AAV to relate expected offensive production makes sense if a guy is on the team and paid to contribute offense. It doesn't make sense to use Trouba for the comparison.

 

[MCB]

Rough game, turned it off halfway through (I was delayed and looked up the score and said f*** this). Outside of trash coaching, our kids just need to grow and get bigger, they won't be able to dominate and control an area until they are at least as strong as their opposition.

 

[MMC]

I find myself tuning out when I tune in recently.

I just simply don’t tune in

 

[JAHV]

Winning games now shouldn’t be the main goal. Developing our players should be. LaCombe’s play has fallen off recently and it concerns me.

If LaCombe is going to be the #1, all situations d-man we now think he might be, playing 24-25 minutes a night is part of the deal. And he's not a fresh-faced rookie; he's 24.

So I think your first statement is right: winning games shouldn't be the main goal. In which case, LaCombe struggling as he develops into that #1D is ok since it's part of the development process. Hopefully that gives him something to shoot for as he trains in the offseason for next year: how can he get to the place where he's able to take those minutes and still be effective.

 

[91Fedorov]

TroubASS should be suspended... indefinitely, so I never have to see him again. Starting to understand why Rangers fans got sick of him, I'm already over it and it's been, what, 30 games?

I honestly don't get your Trouba hate at all. He brings something the team needs. When some of his hits come close to crossing the line, it makes the opposing team second guess coming into our zone. We needed that, we've been too soft to play against for a long time. I've enjoyed his play here ever since he joined the team.

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

I honestly don't get your Trouba hate at all. He brings something the team needs. When some of his hits come close to crossing the line, it makes the opposing team second guess coming into our zone. We needed that, we've been too soft to play against for a long time. I've enjoyed his play here ever since he joined the team.

I understand I am fully in the minority and I'll be told off, but other than last night and one other game at home (I think it was the Islander game), I actually have not seen this anywhere near enough. I actually find his reputation far exceeds the actual level of play.

His gaps through the neutral zone are terrible, he's constantly on the backfoot coming into his own zone. He does block a lot of shots, but the majority of them are up high as a result of him constantly chasing up high instead of staying home in front of his own net. When he DOES stay home in front of his own net, he loses way too many positional battles in the crease in front of his goaltender and doesn't tie up his man, particularly on the PK. His pinches and his timing on them are godawful, which is doubly problematic considering he's partnered with Zellweger who's usually pushing up as the fourth forward regardless.

 

[MCB]

Just finished reading through the thread. Not sure why there is surprise from this game. We have a few really good games where we look like we've put it all together, and then have 2-3 really horrible games that make me think the rebuild failed. This season has been a bunch of waves of good games followed by bad outings. We are still a rebuilding team, this is going to happen.
Yeah Leo didn't put on the weight they asked but if memory serves they asked him to put on an absurd amount for a kid. I'm hoping this year has shown him why they wanted it and he will focus on that this off season.
The sky isn't falling, it's just a part of this rebuilding rollar coaster.

Edit: in no way am I happy with the losses, I'm just saying I accept them like growing pains

 

[JonathnTaylorTavares]

I WISH Trouba was at the top of my list of things to be worried about

 

[The Duck Knight]

Trouba is terrible but we knew that to begin with. The bigger issue is Cronin seems to view him as an offensive D. Recently he's been getting PP and 6on5 time over Minty. You'd think the best way to help Minty's confidence (which I think is paramount for young players) would be more PP time.