Proposal: 6 player boston/st louis deal

[bleedblue1223]

I believe it was actually the opposite; I think the Blues trying to get Boston to take Lehtera to balance cap is where it fell through.

Given how the deal has changed, I have no idea if they'd be more open to taking him on now. The original deal (if memory serves) was basically a rental Eriksson + 29th overall for 1.25 years of Shattenkirk. Switching out Boston's entire side for Krejci might make them more open to taking a center back, but at the same time, Krejci holds more value than Eriksson + 29th and Shattenkirk is now only valued as a rental, so there would have to be a big addition on the Blues side to balance that out now (since Boston probably still won't view Lehtera as value added).

We also tried to extend Eriksson, but couldn't agree on term, so it was that and Lehtera that made it fall through.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Why not just simplify it to shattenkirk for krejci

st louis cant take on the caphit... i think if both sides liked a 1 for 1 it would have been done by now.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Realistically who replaces the 2 defenseman the blues lose from their every day line up?

krug would replace 1 of them... and i suppose morrow hopes he gets a chance to replace the other one

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Would pass from the Bruins perspective. Both Krejci and Krug beat their timetables back and Bruins fans are down on them for not being 100%.

im not down on the players... just the contracts. honestly if i thought the players sucked i couldnt expect anything back for them. ive questioned krugs ability to be an above average 20 min per game guy since he debut. i love his offense though. krejci has twice led playoffs in scoring... hes a big game player like st louis needs.

 

[ChargersRookie]

Seems like a bad deal for both teams

Seam everything together and yup you're right.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I think STL needs more than Morrow to make the deal. Maybe downgrade the pick and make Morrow Miller?

if st louis can handle the cap hit, id do that.

bostons defense after my proposal has shattenkirk and carlo on right side with chara and bouwmeister on left side... so everyone else is basically a 3rd pair guy and not a deal breaker

as chara finishes up, we have ton of guys projecting to be decent on left side.

i didnt post in my op that my proposal is conditional on shattenkirk extending but i guess im surprised its not obvious.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I've had my ups and downs about Krejci. Great player, but he is 30 and signed for good term and a thick cap hit. Will he be worth the 7.25M in 3-4 years? He doesn't rely a ton of speed or physicality, uses his hockey sense mostly so I'd like to think he could at least be salvageable.

I do think the saved money from Krejci allows Boston to resign Shattenkirk and I think he'd resign there.

What I don't like about this is the Krug/Bouwmeester swap. I like Krug and he is much better in the offensive zone than Bouwmeester but Bouwmeester is still a fine defensive defenseman and that's more of a need. I'd take this part of the deal out.

We don't need Morrow, both Lindbohm and/or Schmaltz could fill Shattenkirk shoes. At least from a roster spot standpoint but maybe a little different role.

What complicates the deal is the Berglund part. I don't think the organization will deal Berglund and for good reason. He is a strong two way player, who plays with a lot of structure. Also, I don't think we could afford to take Krejci, unless Lehtera is moved. With Fabbri and Parayko due for significant raises, we need cap space to keep them around. Apparently Boston was willing to take him last deadline, but the deal fell through. I'm not sure how the fans like that, but Lehtera isn't a bad 3C.

Also, Krejci has a NMC and starting a family. Doubt he waives.

i only threw berglund in to make the cap work. boston will have problems next year fitting shattenkirks raise so they cant take a guy extended beyond this season

also st louis cant take krecji now without moving some current salary

maybe boston takes berglund then flips him back to st louis at 1/2 cost in exchange for the second?

that would solve both teams cap problem and let st louis keep berglund

 

[Evocable Manager]

i only threw berglund in to make the cap work. boston will have problems next year fitting shattenkirks raise so they cant take a guy extended beyond this season

also st louis cant take krecji now without moving some current salary

maybe boston takes berglund then flips him back to st louis at 1/2 cost in exchange for the second?

that would solve both teams cap problem and let st louis keep berglund

That would be pretty useless.
The reason for the Lehtera/Berglund swap is so St. Louis has cap flexibility beyond this season.

If Boston can't take Lehtera, the trade simply doesn't happen. Even if they could, I don't think it will.

This whole offseason has been about getting younger and making sure we have cap flexibility, trading for Krejci (granted he isn't old, but isn't young and has the big contract) would make the premise of the offseason near pointless.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

That would be pretty useless.
The reason for the Lehtera/Berglund swap is so St. Louis has cap flexibility beyond this season.

If Boston can't take Lehtera, the trade simply doesn't happen. Even if they could, I don't think it will.

This whole offseason has been about getting younger and making sure we have cap flexibility, trading for Krejci (granted he isn't old, but isn't young and has the big contract) would make the premise of the offseason near pointless.

the lehtera contract is pretty ugly for boston and a deal killer... even after trading krecji bostons depth up front is strong

on left wing we are happy with marchand and belesky... then we have kids like vatrano/heinen ready to compete... debrusk likely ready to compete next year... and potentially spooner

at center we have bergeron and then 1 of backes/spooner... and then again a couple kids knocking on the doorstep plus a couple low rent vets...

right wing potentially is the one spot we need to upgrade with only pastrnak looking solid. if backes plays thats 2 spots filled. jimmy hayes isnt a strength for us, but we have a lot of 4th line options... then we have shyshen likely challanging for a spot next year.

with marchands raise and both spooner and pastrnak (and potentially shattenkirk) all getting raises next year, boston cant take on long term contracts unless the incoming player is needed.

in my proposal the krug/bouwmeester contracts are a wash
krejci might end up making more than shattenkirk but not alot imho
i threw morrow in cause hes cheap and might have upside
i threw the 2nd in cause picks are cheap and have upside

berglund was not really important to me and was just a name to help the deal work this year only. as an ufa i dont think either boston or st louis can afford to keep him beyond this year

i wanted the caphit neutral this year and neutral moving on too

i do think shattenkirk/bouwmeester are worth slightly more than krejci/krug but i think given shattenkirks contract situation and st louis having an overload of rhs defenseman that this proposal does address both teams needs.

i think boston would resign shattenkirk and can play him with chara... while brandon carlo gets an easier time breaking in with bouwmeester

anyhow i appreciate the feedback from everyone... thanks

 

[axecrew]

No, we have 7 guys we like ahead of him and he needs minutes. It was said he was only sent down because of the numbers game. You can't carry 8 dmen.

Exactly what I said...if he were ready he would be playing there. The fact that there are 7 guys that the blues "like better" means that they are better players than him. I can't imagine that they sent him to chicago because Robert Bortuzzo is cuter or anything like that.

 

[MessierII]

For a 6 player proposal on here it's pretty well thought out and does a good enough job meeting both teams needs. Probably will never happen but a good proposal non the less. Good job op.

 

[bluetuned]

Exactly what I said...if he were ready he would be playing there. The fact that there are 7 guys that the blues "like better" means that they are better players than him. I can't imagine that they sent him to chicago because Robert Bortuzzo is cuter or anything like that.

You could also interpret that they don't mind having Bortuzzo sitting half of the games and getting minimal minutes when he does play. Lindbohm is four years younger and still has more upside. It's better for him to get a ton of playing time with the Wolves. Bortuzzo is pretty much a known entity at this point as a 6-7 dman. Lindbohm could still be a 2nd pairing type in a couple years.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Exactly what I said...if he were ready he would be playing there. The fact that there are 7 guys that the blues "like better" means that they are better players than him. I can't imagine that they sent him to chicago because Robert Bortuzzo is cuter or anything like that.

What I mean is that if we ship out a defenseman or 2, Lindbohm will be one of the replacements.

 

[Oates2Neely]

If rumors are true and Shattenkirk is looking for a long term deal 6.5 - 7.5m per, I'd avoid trading for him. Too much money for what he brings. He's great offensively but leaves much to be desired in his own zone. I'd like him on the Bruins but not at that cap hit. At that cap hit I expect a two-way dman.

 

[Got One Cup]

I really disagree here. Bowumeester is still a serviceable top pairing dman. At 5.4m, he's arguably a steal.

glad other people see this. He drives me crazy when he has the puck in the offensive zone but with his positioning and defense he is definitely top line quality.

 

[Got One Cup]

I would pull the trigger on this, I hate our center depth since losing Backes.

 

[Evocable Manager]

If rumors are true and Shattenkirk is looking for a long term deal 6.5 - 7.5m per, I'd avoid trading for him. Too much money for what he brings. He's great offensively but leaves much to be desired in his own zone. I'd like him on the Bruins but not at that cap hit. At that cap hit I expect a two-way dman.

Shattenkirk is more than capable in his own end.
He can break the puck out with a good 1st pass, take the body, is mobile and can skate the puck out. He isn't on Pietrangelo level but is a top pair caliber defenseman. In both ends.
He had a poor playoffs, but that doesn't erase what he has done for the last 5-6 years.

 

[carter333167]

Without commenting on value, there is very little chance that such a trade might occur.

If Boston and DA haven't seen fit to reach terms on a simple deal (1 for 1 or 1 for 2) for Shatty, a complex one probably is not in the offing.

 

[axecrew]

You could also interpret that they don't mind having Bortuzzo sitting half of the games and getting minimal minutes when he does play. Lindbohm is four years younger and still has more upside. It's better for him to get a ton of playing time with the Wolves. Bortuzzo is pretty much a known entity at this point as a 6-7 dman. Lindbohm could still be a 2nd pairing type in a couple years.

Yes I understand that and agree....but upside and potential and all those words are nice but what they mean is "we have no clue how the hell this is going to turn out"...

 

[axecrew]

What I mean is that if we ship out a defenseman or 2, Lindbohm will be one of the replacements.

What about Chris Butler??? Don't forget that he, Benoit and Harrold were all called up at different points during last season in place of Lindbohm. Believe me, I see him play every night and I can honestly say that he isn't ready to play up there full time. So if a trade like that were to happen it would have to bring back at least 2 ready made d-men.

 

[bleedblue1223]

What about Chris Butler??? Don't forget that he, Benoit and Harrold were all called up at different points during last season in place of Lindbohm. Believe me, I see him play every night and I can honestly say that he isn't ready to play up there full time. So if a trade like that were to happen it would have to bring back at least 2 ready made d-men.

It's pretty evident that Lindbohm is held in higher regard than him from the way training camp went.

 

[axecrew]

It's pretty evident that Lindbohm is held in higher regard than him from the way training camp went.

Maybe...and maybe since Butler is an NHL vet the Blues know what he can do and so they gave Lindbohm every chance to take a job and he didn't.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Maybe...and maybe since Butler is an NHL vet the Blues know what he can do and so they gave Lindbohm every chance to take a job and he didn't.

Lindbohm was the last defenseman sent down by Blues this preseason and actually would have started the season with the Blues if Edmundson wasn't recovered from his injury.