GDT: #54 | Flyers at Avalanche | Sunday, February 2, 2025 | 3:00 PM | NBCSP+

[Beef Invictus]

Last time I checked, the objective in ice hockey is to score goals into the opponents goal.

Torts defensive system is looking real good now that the Flyers can’t even score a single motherf***ing goal.

Tortorella has stated you don't win by filling the net, so he disagrees

 

[Boocowski]

Last time I checked, the objective in ice hockey is to score goals into the opponents goal.

Torts defensive system is looking real good now that the Flyers can’t even score a single motherf***ing goal.

Can it not be BOTH things?

There are differing views on whether you need to build D first or O first but in the end you need both.

I would also suggest that horrible goaltending has made the focus shift to more D and the O does suffer for it, but if you are building and believe in a system you build off of it. D is harder so if they get that built well maybe in time it all comes together.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Can it not be BOTH things?

There are differing views on whether you need to build D first or O first but in the end you need both.

I would also suggest that horrible goaltending has made the focus shift to more D and the O does suffer for it, but if you are building and believe in a system you build off of it. D is harder so if they get that built well maybe in time it all comes together.

You must be new to Tortorella. He has had three hall of fame goaltenders in his coaching tenure, and he ran deeply conservative defense-first systems in front of them. Systems which held back the potential of his rosters.

I've been aware of this for a long time and it's why I opposed hiring him. This is an era that heavily skews towards offense and he puts any team and prospects he touches behind the times. As we are seeing, in no beneficial way.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Can it not be BOTH things?

There are differing views on whether you need to build D first or O first but in the end you need both.

I would also suggest that horrible goaltending has made the focus shift to more D and the O does suffer for it, but if you are building and believe in a system you build off of it. D is harder so if they get that built well maybe in time it all comes together.

How is defense harder than offense?

 

[BringBackFletcher]

No drop off to Abols or Richard

 

[JojoTheWhale]

How is defense harder than offense?

Only the former is an entire fetish.

 

[Beef Invictus]

How is defense harder than offense?

You'd think if that were true then the heavily D-centric Flyers would just score. They're doing the harder thing, so why not do the easy thing to win?

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Can it not be BOTH things?

There are differing views on whether you need to build D first or O first but in the end you need both.

I would also suggest that horrible goaltending has made the focus shift to more D and the O does suffer for it, but if you are building and believe in a system you build off of it. D is harder so if they get that built well maybe in time it all comes together.

It could be both if done correctly, but this is the Flyers were talking about, when is anything ever done correctly or competently with this franchise.

I love some great defensive play as much as the next guy but if there’s no goals being scored it’s defeating the purpose of defensive play.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

I truly hate kurz lol he's our worst nightmare as a beat writer

 

[trostol]

they literally..are making MM into a grinder ...they will grind all the offense out of him

 

[MJL66]

What side of the puck is that? What does that even f***ing mean? Do we watch other teams with rookies that develop into superstars and just think to be a flyer they have to clog the neutral zone like a toilet?

The Tortorella side. Just using simple common sense and logic, wouldn't more ice time give him more opportunity to learn. The Flyers do what most bad teams do. They fixate on weaknesses of a player at the expense of leveraging strengths. Wasting time trying to make him into something he is not and is of a much lower value. They're doing the opposite of what good teams do. Just more archaic strategies

 

[Juicy Pop]

City of Brotherly Love is now the City of Can't be Arsed.

Move the damn franchise so I can stop caring.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

Making history.


Today I'm thinking of the time a week ago that I was assured that this time, the team would absolutely maintain their shooting heater and not collapse like always.


Hmm.

But what about the x/GF? Think about the x/GF for the love of God!!!!

 

[trostol]

i'm waiting for the spin on this one

 

[Juicy Pop]

i'm waiting for the spin on this one

You'll have to wait for them to slow down.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I see we have a brand-new contrarian. I wonder which one of the old c***s that is.

 

[Tripod]

We still a SC contender 5vs5?

Asking for a friend.

 

[MJL66]

You'd think if that were true then the heavily D-centric Flyers would just score. They're doing the harder thing, so why not do the easy thing to win?

Watching that game, it wasn't just a talent and skill discrepancy. It was clear in the strategy and attack system that each team employs. Avalanche used well designed attack systems of integrated play. For the Flyers, it's all grunt work. One on one plays and basic straight ahead plays. The latter can be effective at times but it's not how you play with a skilled team. It can be part of the mix but the Flyers are lacking any kind of an offensive concept.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I think there may even be a chance Torts is fired before the end of the season if they are shut out a few more times in the next ~5 games

 

[Danko]

I think there may even be a chance Torts is fired before the end of the season if they are shut out a few more times in the next ~5 games

No chance in hell

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

This might of been one of the worst f***ing built NHL teams in history. They deserved to get shutout again. How soon until we get all the writers to talk about how the culture is safe and well and that's all that matters?

 

[Danko]

We are basically Buffalo over the past decade bad

 

[FlyerNutter]

I think there may even be a chance Torts is fired before the end of the season if they are shut out a few more times in the next ~5 games

Won’t happen. The losers like Laughton they have kept, and will keep - will ensure he has enough loyalty.

Torts is being moved into an advisor role - if not something more prominent once he stops being a HC.

Comcast has doubled down on all these guys sadly / and Id wager Briere would be shown the door completely before John. If they miss the playoffs again next season - Danny will start feeling the heat.

 

[Juicy Pop]

This might of been one of the worst f***ing built NHL teams in history. They deserved to get shutout again. How soon until we get all the writers to talk about how the culture is safe and well and that's all that matters?

Give it 20 years to talk about how they failed to cover the fall of a franchise.

They need time to separate themselves from repercussions.

 

[Danko]

They simply will not Fire Torts after blowing him all over the country for the past 3 seasons. They love him, they want to be inside him, they cherish him yelling at Michkov and teaching him to "play the right way" He will not be disrespected by firing him when he announced this is his last coaching gig, they are losing, rebuilding and he took the job knowing that.

Hilf will be fired before torts