GDT: #51 | Devils at Flyers | Monday, January 27, 2025 | 7:00 PM | NBCSP, 97.5 FM

I just watched the playback of the game and the Flyers looked like a different team than they did against the Rangers & Islanders.
They seemed to have a chip on their shoulder, maybe they play that way more often.
They were also rested.

I think you'll see this with a lot of teams given the condensed schedule due to the 4 Nations - games where they're coming off hard stretches where the legs just aren't there.
 
A good pro training program isn't about pumping as much iron as you can (though I'm sure Hurts does a lot of squats, those tush push plays . . . ).

It's designed around functional strength, so it should incorporate strength and flexibility and range of motion. It's not the 1950s anymore. :cool:

Genetics limits how much functional strength a player can add, but combined with skating coaching, you can add some speed and quickness over time. And lower body strength to anchor, and upper body strength to win puck battles.

Michkov is pretty stout, so it's not like he needs a makeover, just incremental improvements the next two years, he likes to play near the net so being able to anchor better and handle stick checking will make him even more dangerous.

One reason a lot of prospect lists use 23 as the cutoff age is that by that point a player is physically mature and has been in a pro training program for a few years. Improvement past that point usually comes from experience and a better understanding of the pro game.
The problem is this team always does the "GET IN THE GYM TO ADD MUSCLE"
 
In the first period there was a 4 min double minor on Risto for high-sticking that caused bleeding, and that effected Michkov's icetime. That's probably at least 1 shift taken from him.

In the middle of the 3rd, there was another penalty. He played normal shifts prior to that penalty, but didn't play after. NJ also pulled their goalie when they were down by 2 with ~4mins left in the 3rd. That's another shift taken from him.

If he gets those two shifts, he's around his average 5v5 ice time per game.
Plus there was only 1 PP, so that limited his total minutes.

And with Couts out, Torts was probably wary of playing Michkov too much with a 3 goal lead, Laughton at center isn't the most reliable defensively so he's not going to cover for Michkov like Couts.
 
In the first period there was a 4 min double minor on Risto for high-sticking that caused bleeding, and that effected Michkov's icetime. That's probably at least 1 shift taken from him.

In the middle of the 3rd, there was another penalty. He played normal shifts prior to that penalty, but didn't play after. NJ also pulled their goalie when they were down by 2 with ~4mins left in the 3rd. That's another shift taken from him.

If he gets those two shifts, he's around his average 5v5 ice time per game.
This is illuminating to me, because it tells me his 5v5 ice time is low in general and I just never noticed it if missing 2 shifts means he only plays 10 minutes a night.
 
Plus there was only 1 PP, so that limited his total minutes.

And with Couts out, Torts was probably wary of playing Michkov too much with a 3 goal lead, Laughton at center isn't the most reliable defensively so he's not going to cover for Michkov like Couts.
Yeah, it was an odd game for line parings. I joined a few minutes late, and even in the first period, it seemed like the lines were in a blender. Torts clearly didn't trust Abols or Richard this game. In the case of Richard, I'm not sure why. Torts has spoken fondly of Richard, and they played him on the powerplay...Perhaps he was sick and they wanted to limit his icetime. From the broadcast, they said ND and Couts were both out with illness.
 
Also, can't fans of this team have like, a tiny amount of joy? Imagine the kernel of dopamine we could have gotten when the team finishes 13th overall again, but at least we had a Calder winner?! Jones and Briere could market the hell out of that, and it would actually give the despondent fans a reason to tune in/pay attention to this team, they have a young star who was the best new player in league!

But no. Grinding Michkov down, forcing him to play defence, and giving him scraps for ice time are more important. Builds character. Learns to play the right way. No Calder, no joy allowed. Defence. Truculence. Other hockey guy cliches.

This team couldn't make fans excited if their lives depended on it.
 
The problem is this team always does the "GET IN THE GYM TO ADD MUSCLE"
Every team does that with younger players, in all pro sports these days.

Teams now have professional training staffs, they counsel players on nutrition, lifestyle, strength training, etc. Flyers I think now have a full-time skating coach.

With younger players it's about development, with older players about maintenance and avoiding injury.

And players will tell you in any sport with a long season, you need to bulk up in the offseason b/c it's hard to strength train during the season and some players will lost 10 or more lbs in the course of a season.


Yeah, it was an odd game for line parings. I joined a few minutes late, and even in the first period, it seemed like the lines were in a blender. Torts clearly didn't trust Abols or Richard this game. In the case of Richard, I'm not sure why. Torts has spoken fondly of Richard, and they played him on the powerplay...Perhaps he was sick and they wanted to limit his icetime. From the broadcast, they said ND and Couts were both out with illness.
Richard is skilled offensively, but what has kept him out of the NHL is his below average defense.

Abols has played very well, but he's also been sheltered, he's adjusting to the NHL after making the move to the AHL from the SHL. And Torts probably isn't sure what he has in him.

I think a 3 goal lead changes the approach, especially with Couts out who you'd expect along with Cates to play a lot of minutes with a big lead.
 
This is illuminating to me, because it tells me his 5v5 ice time is low in general and I just never noticed it if missing 2 shifts means he only plays 10 minutes a night.

Figure below is his 5v5 Ice Time. The Blue are the minutes he's played, and the orange is the percentage of overall 5v5 icetime (For example, if he played 10 mins, and there was 60mins of 5v5 during that game, he's be at 16.7%.....10/60=16.7)....His overall season average is about 12m at 5v5, but it's been going basically since the start of the season.

The percentage of 5v5 ice time has decreased as well, but at a much higher rate.

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It's the same for PP time as well, see below.

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Also, can't fans of this team have like, a tiny amount of joy? Imagine the kernel of dopamine we could have gotten when the team finishes 13th overall again, but at least we had a Calder winner?! Jones and Briere could market the hell out of that, and it would actually give the despondent fans a reason to tune in/pay attention to this team, they have a young star who was the best new player in league!

But no. Grinding Michkov down, forcing him to play defence, and giving him scraps for ice time are more important. Builds character. Learns to play the right way. No Calder, no joy allowed. Defence. Truculence. Other hockey guy cliches.

This team couldn't make fans excited if their lives depended on it.
It's been Maximum Pain™ since I coined the phrase in the bubble. There is no end.
 
Figure below is his 5v5 Ice Time. The Blue are the minutes he's played, and the orange is the percentage of overall 5v5 icetime (For example, if he played 10 mins, and there was 60mins of 5v5 during that game, he's be at 16.7%.....10/60=16.7)....His overall season average is about 12m at 5v5, but it's been going basically since the start of the season.

The percentage of 5v5 ice time has decreased as well, but at a much higher rate.

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It's the same for PP time as well, see below.

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rookie minutes:
TK 14:05 total, 12:23 ES
Farabee 14:06, 12:27 ES
Michkov 16:06, 13:20 ES
 
rookie minutes:
TK 14:05 total, 12:23 ES
Farabee 14:06, 12:27 ES
Michkov 16:06, 13:20 ES
1) Michkov's ice time has been declining all season, let's see where it is after game 82

2)We're rebuilding, and Michkov is the best prospect this team has had since Lindros. Maybe they should.....play him more? Like the fans want? He probably deserves more ice time than Farabee or Konecny got.
 
I didn't watch, but does anyone know why Michkov's ice time was so low?
According to a hockey expert on Twitter (read regular ol dude) it's cause Michkov has hit a physical and mental wall. Apparently he's not used to playing so many games against more physical opponents. We may as well pull the plug if michkov can't handle 10 minutes per game.

I personally think Michkov hit a wall named John Tortorella.
 
The contrast between how Michkov looked the first 2-3 months vs. now is startling. The more time a young player spends with Torts, the worse off they are. This has been proven time and time again. He is taking 0 chances on the breakout and seems afraid to make a mistake...the exact opposite of the way he started before adapting to Torts.

Shot-blocking their way right into the 13th overall pick. Classic Torts Hockey.
not one person here could have predicted this outcome..

not even one!!!

🤣🤣
 
Why does every prospect have to get into the gym? Stop the madness and let them fill out in normal training don't force them to gain lbs for the sake of just getting bigger.
because meat n potatos go hand in hand with #culture

Torts was never going to be upstaged by a Calder winner, never.
"im telling you this isnt going to be the MM show"..

when ur coach feels he can say that to the microphone upon MMs arrival you best believe "Torts above all else" is the way...

🤬🤣
 
According to a hockey expert on Twitter (read regular ol dude) it's cause Michkov has hit a physical and mental wall. Apparently he's not used to playing so many games against more physical opponents. We may as well pull the plug if michkov can't handle 10 minutes per game.

I personally think Michkov hit a wall named John Tortorella.
I agree. The rookie wall is a myth. Tortorella is in the process of stalling any developmental momentum that Michkov had. He was free spirited and aggressive in the early season. Now he is restrained and cautious. Playing conservatively, looking to make the simple and safe play. He has fallen under the umbrella of accountability that Tortorella casts over every player like a black cloud.
 
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What has it been since the lines were set, 11/25?
First 21 games:
ES 14:00, ATOI 17:24,
xGF 43.06%, HDCF 36.50%

Next 30 games:
ES 12:53, ATOI 15:17
xGF 62.26%, HDCF 59.22%

last ten games:
ES 12:12, ATOI 14:42
xGF 59.22%, HDCF 66.55%

So he's playing slightly less but more effective.

Why anyone would want to run a kid into the ground when you're rebuilding.
If you give Michkov too many minutes, he'll have dead legs and be more prone to get injured.

As far as Michkov being constrained:
first 21 games, xGF/60: 2.20, HDCF/60: 7.69
next 30 games, xGF/60: 3.34, HDCF/60: 12.53

Linemates:
first 21 games: Couts 100, TK 85, Frost 64, Tippett 54, Foerster 33, Cates 31, Farabee 29
next 30 games: Frost 214, Tippett 152, Couts 98, Farabee 70, Laughton 63
 
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First 21 games:
ES 14:00, ATOI 17:24,
xGF 43.06%, HDCF 36.50%

Next 30 games:
ES 12:53, ATOI 15:17
xGF 62.26%, HDCF 59.22%

last ten games:
ES 12:12, ATOI 14:42
xGF 59.22%, HDCF 66.55%

So he's playing slightly less but more effective.

Why anyone would want to run a kid into the ground when you're rebuilding.
If you give Michkov too many minutes, he'll have dead legs and be more prone to get injured.

As far as Michkov being constrained:
first 21 games, xGF/60: 2.20, HDCF/60: 7.69
next 30 games, xGF/60: 3.34, HDCF/60: 12.53

Linemates:
first 21 games: Couts 100, TK 85, Frost 64, Tippett 54, Foerster 33, Cates 31, Farabee 29
next 30 games: Frost 214, Tippett 152, Couts 98, Farabee 70, Laughton 63
I don't think playing more than 12 minutes a night would "run a kid into the ground". There is a large gap between giving Michkov scraps and giving him too much ice time, something you are deliberately avoiding to acknowledge.

Plenty of young players play much more than that. He's a year older than Celebrini, and had already played in a league with men before getting to the NHL. And Celebrini is playing....how much more on average?

This is a nonsense defence.
 
I don't think playing more than 12 minutes a night would "run a kid into the ground". There is a large gap between giving Michkov scraps and giving him too much ice time, something you are deliberately avoiding to acknowledge.

Plenty of young players play much more than that. He's a year older than Celebrini, and had already played in a league with men before getting to the NHL. And Celebrini is playing....how much more on average?

This is a nonsense defence.
We were told during the bubble that playing Giroux an extra minute or two over Nate Thompson was absurd to think about because it would run him into the ground. Shortening the bench would lead to the death of everyone.
 
I don't think playing more than 12 minutes a night would "run a kid into the ground". There is a large gap between giving Michkov scraps and giving him too much ice time, something you are deliberately avoiding to acknowledge.

Plenty of young players play much more than that. He's a year older than Celebrini, and had already played in a league with men before getting to the NHL. And Celebrini is playing....how much more on average?

This is a nonsense defence.
I think San Jose is being foolish. Most young players don't play a lot as a rookie.
Though Celebrini is physically mature for his age, listed at 6'0 197 at the Combine in June, probably over 200 lbs now.
Celebrini is playing 16:12 at ES, 3:16 on the PP, PP are easier minutes, less skating.

Fantelli is also playing more minutes in his 2nd season, like Celebrini, he's physically mature, listed at 6'2 200.
 
The contrast between how Michkov looked the first 2-3 months vs. now is startling. The more time a young player spends with Torts, the worse off they are. This has been proven time and time again. He is taking 0 chances on the breakout and seems afraid to make a mistake...the exact opposite of the way he started before adapting to Torts.

Shot-blocking their way right into the 13th overall pick. Classic Torts Hockey.
This clearly illustrates that the Flyers have no sensible plan for development of a player or for the franchise. A majority of the ticket buyers understand that this club is mediocre at best. They come to see MM play. When the petty coach takes that away from them, what is the point of going or watching?

A smart coach would play MM as much as possible so that he could understand what he can/can not do on the ice in this league. One learns by playing more than they do by watching. Bedard is getting 19:56 of ice time per game this season; Cellibrini gets 19:36; MM is at 16:06 and declining as the season progresses. Its obvious that Tortorella is messing with MM for no sensible reason by curtailing his play.
 
In the first period there was a 4 min double minor on Risto for high-sticking that caused bleeding, and that effected Michkov's icetime. That's probably at least 1 shift taken from him.

In the middle of the 3rd, there was another penalty. He played normal shifts prior to that penalty, but didn't play after. NJ also pulled their goalie when they were down by 2 with ~4mins left in the 3rd. That's another shift taken from him.

If he gets those two shifts, he's around his average 5v5 ice time per game.

He also didn't play very well in general - probably half a dozen really poor passes that were turnovers, no-look behind-the-back types. He was weak on his forecheck and along the boards. He did have a few nice plays as well.

To be fair, the whole team was passing like the puck was a live grenade and turning it over repeatedly. So many passes *away* from the net to a teammate under more coverage and a worse angle to the net. They tend to do that a lot for some reason.
 
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First 21 games:
ES 14:00, ATOI 17:24,
xGF 43.06%, HDCF 36.50%

Next 30 games:
ES 12:53, ATOI 15:17
xGF 62.26%, HDCF 59.22%

last ten games:
ES 12:12, ATOI 14:42
xGF 59.22%, HDCF 66.55%

So he's playing slightly less but more effective.

Dropping from 14:00 to 12:12 ES equals 13% less time.
Dropping from 17:24 to 14:42 ATOI equals 15.5% less time.

If I got over 15% less time to get my job done, I would call it anything but slightly aint it.
 

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