GDT: #48 | Red Wings at Flyers | Tuesday, January 21, 2025 | 7:00 PM | NBCSP, 93.3 FM

[MJL66]

A proper build should never swing on something like the return for two mediocre assets. That’s the whole point. Your process is supposed to insulate you from moderate mistakes. They’re inevitable.

Exactly! He doesn't get that. Imagine your team's future success relying on the outcome of those moves? It's laughable and unintelligent to even suggest that.

 

[deadhead]

A proper build should never swing on something like the return for two mediocre assets. That’s the whole point. Your process is supposed to insulate you from moderate mistakes. They’re inevitable.

It's the cumulative impact of all moves.
If they get a solid return for those two players, preferably 2026 and 2027 draft picks, they're building a war chest.
How they use that war chest will determine the success of the rebuild.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

“A cumulative impact of all moves.”

I’m sorry, I just can’t after all of the years of saying “it doesn’t matter” on every single move.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

It's the cumulative impact of all moves.
If they get a solid return for those two players, preferably 2026 and 2027 draft picks, they're building a war chest.
How they use that war chest will determine the success of the rebuild.

 

[MJL66]

It's the cumulative impact of all moves.
If they get a solid return for those two players, preferably 2026 and 2027 draft picks, they're building a war chest.
How they use that war chest will determine the success of the rebuild.

Nope, it's not a war chest. Likely to be low first round picks and unlikely to add elite level talent. Not how top teams are built. The Flyers aren't rebuilding.

 

[ybnvs]

It's the cumulative impact of all moves.

“A cumulative impact of all moves.”

I’m sorry, I just can’t after all of the years of saying “it doesn’t matter” on every single move.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

The Caps made the playoffs in 2003. By the 2004 deadline, they had traded Jagr, Bondra, Lang, and Gonchar. That's like a textbook tank. Forgot Nylander, too.

Anyway, this debate is pointless because no matter what avenue they pursue, the Flyers aren't going anywhere as long as the bully mentality runs the show

 

[Flyerfan4life]

The Caps made the playoffs in 2003. By the 2004 deadline, they had traded Jagr, Bondra, Lang, and Gonchar. That's like a textbook tank.

Anyway, this debate is pointless because no matter what avenue they pursue, the Flyers aren't going anywhere as long as the bully mentality runs the show

wait.. jagr played for the Caps?

 

[deadhead]

Collecting 4th and 5th rd picks won't get you far, you might package them for a 3rd.
Collecting 1st and 2nd rd picks allows you to trade for prospects and players.
Farabee, a 2025 1st and 2026 2nd could land you a young top 6 center.

We'll see if Briere can pull it off, if he can pick up a 1st and 2nd for Risto and Laughton, added to what they already have, that's enough to both draft 2-3 starters and pull off a couple trades.

It's a viable strategy, like any other strategy, you have to implement it well.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Collecting 4th and 5th rd picks won't get you far, you might package them for a 3rd.
Collecting 1st and 2nd rd picks allows you to trade for prospects and players.
Farabee, a 2025 1st and 2026 2nd could land you a young top 6 center.

We'll see if Briere can pull it off, if he can pick up a 1st and 2nd for Risto and Laughton, added to what they already have, that's enough to both draft 2-3 starters and pull off a couple trades.

It's a viable strategy, like any other strategy, you have to implement it well.

It's the cumulative impact of ALL moves.

 

[Boocowski]

So you conveniently ignore all the other points I made. You know the ones where the Caps acquire talent and the Flyers acquire trash? Besides Tippett, and I'm being generous here, what other players have the Flyers traded for, signed, or picked up off waivers has had any significant impact within the past 10 years? Really think about it and try to use some facts to back up your answer.

And you can't ignore the fact that the Caps used tanking to draft the best goal scoring player the game has seen and probably will ever see. A player that's been integral to their success for the past 20 years, as well as helped them to win their first Stanley cup. You can't ignore facts when they contradict your argument. They definitely are retooling but they do it better then the Flyers, who have been doing to since 2013 and they haven't done shit

and we got our Russian without tanking. Don't forget that.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

and we got our Russian without tanking. Don't forget that.

Bro it was literally in my reply to you two posts ago. You didn't even bother to answer the question I asked. What are you even doing here?

 

[kudymen]

Your entire post is a logic fail.

*his entire post history

 

[Beef Invictus]

and we got our Russian without tanking. Don't forget that.

Our Russian with no supporting cast.

 

[MJL66]

Collecting 4th and 5th rd picks won't get you far, you might package them for a 3rd.
Collecting 1st and 2nd rd picks allows you to trade for prospects and players.
Farabee, a 2025 1st and 2026 2nd could land you a young top 6 center.

We'll see if Briere can pull it off, if he can pick up a 1st and 2nd for Risto and Laughton, added to what they already have, that's enough to both draft 2-3 starters and pull off a couple trades.

It's a viable strategy, like any other strategy, you have to implement it well.

It's not a viable strategy. It's a limited strategy with little to no chance of being a springboard to legit cup contention. You live in a fantasy world

 

[Boocowski]

Bro it was literally in my reply to you two posts ago. You didn't even bother to answer the question I asked. What are you even doing here?

What am I doing here? Being a Flyers fan, not sure about you.

Our Russian with no supporting cast.

I don't want to look it up but I'm thinking Ovi had less of a supporting cast when he started than Michkov has now. Certainly didn't have a lot since they tanked.

You do realize there's a lot of draft picks coming right?

 

[Beef Invictus]

What am I doing here? Being a Flyers fan, not sure about you.


I don't want to look it up but I'm thinking Ovi had less of a supporting cast when he started than Michkov has now. Certainly didn't have a lot since they tanked.

You do realize there's a lot of draft picks coming right?

He had Semin in the system already, Green, and they drafted Backstrom at the end of the season.

The Flyers are pretty terrible at drafting and developing players. I'd be optimistic about all their draft picks if they fired all the perennial losers running the team.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

The Caps have run the best farm system in hockey for the last 20 years while the Phantoms have largely been spinning their wheels in the mud since they left the Spectrum... and the Flyers have had far more lean years than the Caps in that span, especially since 2010.

He had Semin in the system already, Green, and they drafted Backstrom at the end of the season.

The Flyers are pretty terrible at drafting and developing players. I'd be optimistic about all their draft picks if they fired all the perennial losers running the team.

They never won the Cup and weren't cornerstones, but Washington got Fleischmann and Laich, two good support players, in the 2004 tank trades as well. Laich was solid in DC for like a decade afterwards.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

What am I doing here? Being a Flyers fan, not sure about you.


I don't want to look it up but I'm thinking Ovi had less of a supporting cast when he started than Michkov has now. Certainly didn't have a lot since they tanked.

You do realize there's a lot of draft picks coming right?

What you're doing is avoiding questions and facts like the Flyers avoid draft talent and call it being a fan. You sir are insufferable. Good day

 

[ybnvs]

and we got our Russian without tanking. Don't forget that.

Gross.

His name is Matvei Michkov, not "our Russian".

 

[Curufinwe]

“A cumulative impact of all moves.”

I’m sorry, I just can’t after all of the years of saying “it doesn’t matter” on every single move.

Flyers new goal song?

 

[Boocowski]

He had Semin in the system already, Green, and they drafted Backstrom at the end of the season.

The Flyers are pretty terrible at drafting and developing players. I'd be optimistic about all their draft picks if they fired all the perennial losers running the team.

Well that's where we will differ on optimism and pessimism because we have a different timeline and we will never agree. In 2-3 years either you will be right or I will be right but we won't know until then. I will give you this one point, IF and only IF they screw up the draft over the next 2 years then the rebuild will fail. IF they get it right, this will be a good playoff team in a few more years and it will endure.

Arguing about the past is pointless since you can't change it. Arguing about the future is pointless since you can't predict it. So right now you are either optimistic or pessimistic and never the twain shall meet.

What you're doing is avoiding questions and facts like the Flyers avoid draft talent and call it being a fan. You sir are insufferable. Good day

Did you fall off a pole on Broad Street?

Gross.

His name is Matvei Michkov, not "our Russian".

Oh please, it was a counter to his tanking for Ovi as a strategy for success. Point is we got a superstar too.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Well that's where we will differ on optimism and pessimism because we have a different timeline and we will never agree. In 2-3 years either you will be right or I will be right but we won't know until then. I will give you this one point, IF and only IF they screw up the draft over the next 2 years then the rebuild will fail. IF they get it right, this will be a good playoff team in a few more years and it will endure.

Arguing about the past is pointless since you can't change it. Arguing about the future is pointless since you can't predict it. So right now you are either optimistic or pessimistic and never the twain shall meet.


Did you fall off a pole on Broad Street?


Oh please, it was a counter to his tanking for Ovi as a strategy for success. Point is we got a superstar too.

2-3 Years? I'm already right, then. Nothing is in the system beyond depth guys.

There has never been a rebuild.

 

[Boocowski]

2-3 Years? I'm already right, then. Nothing is in the system beyond depth guys.

There has never been a rebuild.

I know that's what you think. I don't think we will ever agree but feel free to say "I told you so" in 3 years if you like (but also admit you were wrong if it goes the other way).

 

[Beef Invictus]

I know that's what you think. I don't think we will ever agree but feel free to say "I told you so" in 3 years if you like (but also admit you were wrong if it goes the other way).

I'd love to be wrong but there's just nothing. Their top forward prospects peak out as 3rd liners.