GDT: #45 ⋅ ANA @ TBL ⋅ 4:00 PM PST

[WhatTheDuck]

If anything, that's more on Minty for getting way too deep and also freezing for a moment. It's his responsibility to be back more than either forward

 

[duckaroosky]

The Strome play was obviously a huge frustrating moment in the game, but I also think Derek was a bit unfair in this assessment. It looks to me like Strome believed the goalie caught the puck, not that he stopped to feel sorry for himself. Strome has his limitations but he's a solid pro.

I agree that he probably thought it was covered BUT the easy solution to this would be just score!!!!

 

[freikugel]

I want to see them try and recreate the pseudo shutdown line we used to do with the more "responsible" vets and just top load the 2 lines with our more dynamic young players. With this roster I'd want to see for at least a game like:

Gauthier/Carlsson/McTavish(both Gauthier and Carlsson are complimented well by McTavish as we've seen)
Terry/Zegras/Vatrano(iirc Z and Terry had their career years together)
Lundestrom/Strome/Killorn
Nesterenko/Harkins/Colangelo

Maybe I'm way off but that's what I was kind of hoping they'd look like at the start of the season, too much attempt at balancing veteran responsibility and defense just seems to stifle both.

 

[robbieboy3686]

The Strome play was obviously a huge frustrating moment in the game, but I also think Derek was a bit unfair in this assessment. It looks to me like Strome believed the goalie caught the puck, not that he stopped to feel sorry for himself. Strome has his limitations but he's a solid pro.

It would be nice if this was pointed out when carlsson demonstrates this exact poor body language literally a handful of times every single game

 

[JonathnTaylorTavares]

I dont think Strome was feeling sorry for himself, it was probably more of a humorous WOW moment. If it was a kid I would be more annoyed

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I dont think Strome was feeling sorry for himself, it was probably more of a humorous WOW moment. If it was a kid I would be more annoyed

I genuinely believe he though the goalie caught it, he wasn't the only one

 

[Mr Rogers]

I want to see them try and recreate the pseudo shutdown line we used to do with the more "responsible" vets and just top load the 2 lines with our more dynamic young players. With this roster I'd want to see for at least a game like:

Gauthier/Carlsson/McTavish(both Gauthier and Carlsson are complimented well by McTavish as we've seen)
Terry/Zegras/Vatrano(iirc Z and Terry had their career years together)
Lundestrom/Strome/Killorn
Nesterenko/Harkins/Colangelo

Maybe I'm way off but that's what I was kind of hoping they'd look like at the start of the season, too much attempt at balancing veteran responsibility and defense just seems to stifle both.

I like these too, especially McTavish and Carlsson together. I think Mason brings more of a physical element and is a lot stronger on the puck than Zegs. Leo needs someone like that on his line.

Zegs and Leo together is just way too soft on the puck, i thought i was watching something completely different compared to some because the chemistry between Leo/Zegs was being touted quite a bit, never saw much and I don't think they really got on the scoresheet together much either. maybe 2-3 goals? It wasn't working IMO.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

The Strome play was obviously a huge frustrating moment in the game, but I also think Derek was a bit unfair in this assessment. It looks to me like Strome believed the goalie caught the puck, not that he stopped to feel sorry for himself. Strome has his limitations but he's a solid pro.

I agree - he doesn’t see the puck as it goes past his feet. He thinks the play is dead. Still a mistake but it’s not because he’s pouting.

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

It would be nice if this was pointed out when carlsson demonstrates this exact poor body language literally a handful of times every single game

Most of the team has pretty rotten body language to be fair.

In recent weeks you had Colangelo with a big smile on his face despite being down 6 to the flyers. Gibson in overtime vs the Flames barely put any effort into getting back in position in overtime. There's a lot more examples throughout the years which would probably feature most of the current roster. Hard to single out any one person.

Its a culture thing, imo.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I want to see them try and recreate the pseudo shutdown line we used to do with the more "responsible" vets and just top load the 2 lines with our more dynamic young players. With this roster I'd want to see for at least a game like:

Gauthier/Carlsson/McTavish(both Gauthier and Carlsson are complimented well by McTavish as we've seen)
Terry/Zegras/Vatrano(iirc Z and Terry had their career years together)
Lundestrom/Strome/Killorn
Nesterenko/Harkins/Colangelo

Maybe I'm way off but that's what I was kind of hoping they'd look like at the start of the season, too much attempt at balancing veteran responsibility and defense just seems to stifle both.

Mac having chemistry with Cutter and Carlsson probably points to Mac being the center. Carlsson centered Cutter and they were a dud. Cutter moves down to Mac's wing and Cutter's game comes back to life.

Carlsson is still too finesse to play the grind game that Cronin wants. On the Carlsson goal, Killorn actually sets a soft pick behind the net when Mac and Raddysh (TB) were chasing the puck behind the net. Mac finds the puck and sends a touch pass to Carlsson, who is waiting on the perimeter. Killorn doesn't get on the scoresheet with the Carlsson snipe, but that opportunity wouldn't have happened without Killorn's soft interference to allow Mac to get to the puck first.

I think Mac and Killorn should continue to play together b/c it feels like they play a similar style of hockey with soft picks and interferences as well as playing the grinding cycle game.

FO's last night

Mac: 8/10 (80.0 %)​

Carlsson: 3/8 (37.5 %)​

 

[Mr Rogers]

Mac having chemistry with Cutter and Carlsson probably points to Mac being the center. Carlsson centered Cutter and they were a dud. Cutter moves down to Mac's wing and Cutter's game comes back to life.

Carlsson is still too finesse to play the grind game that Cronin wants. On the Carlsson goal, Killorn actually sets a soft pick behind the net when Mac and Raddysh (TB) were chasing the puck behind the net. Mac finds the puck and sends a touch pass to Carlsson, who is waiting on the perimeter. Killorn doesn't get on the scoresheet with the Carlsson snipe, but that opportunity wouldn't have happened without Killorn's soft interference to allow Mac to get to the puck first.

I think Mac and Killorn should continue to play together b/c it feels like they play a similar style of hockey with soft picks and interferences as well as playing the grinding cycle game.

FO's last night

Mac: 8/10 (80.0 %)​

Carlsson: 3/8 (37.5 %)​

Killorn has been totally fine, even good, for quite a while I'd say. Although he isn't the quickest guy, I feel like he pretty much brings it every shift. Also nobody loves the +/- stat but I still think directionally at least it says something meaningful. Killorn is tied with Zell at +4 on a team that isn't that good so it's impressive. Interestingly Zell is a guy who for some reason is still struggling to get in the lineup consistently. He's one of a few players who i feel hasn't gotten a fair shake this year.

 

[lwvs84]

I want to see them try and recreate the pseudo shutdown line we used to do with the more "responsible" vets and just top load the 2 lines with our more dynamic young players. With this roster I'd want to see for at least a game like:

Gauthier/Carlsson/McTavish(both Gauthier and Carlsson are complimented well by McTavish as we've seen)
Terry/Zegras/Vatrano(iirc Z and Terry had their career years together)
Lundestrom/Strome/Killorn
Nesterenko/Harkins/Colangelo

Maybe I'm way off but that's what I was kind of hoping they'd look like at the start of the season, too much attempt at balancing veteran responsibility and defense just seems to stifle both.

Assuming that 3rd line is the shutdown line, Ducks can probably do that without stacking 2 lines.
McTavish Carlsson Colangelo (Carlsson has shown chemistry with both wings in limited time)
Vatrano Strome Terry
Gauthier Zegras Fabbri (Nesterenko after the deadline?)
Killorn Lundestrom Leason/Harkins

Try to add a top 6 wing in the offseason to replace Fabbri (or at the deadline if one is available and willing to sign a deal after the trade). Sounds like there's a few decent to amazing guys that could be availlable by summer. It also spreads the ice time out a little more, so players can "hunt pucks" and have more energy throughout the game.

 

[JonathnTaylorTavares]

I genuinely believe he though the goalie caught it, he wasn't the only one

Ya probably true. Im a former Strome hater, but I like him now

 

[Hockey Duckie]

If anything, that's more on Minty for getting way too deep and also freezing for a moment. It's his responsibility to be back more than either forward

That whole sequence needs to be credited to Vasi, TB's goalie. He did rob Strome, but he also was cognizant enough to see his d-man was open to the left of him, quickly dished it out to his teammate, and returned his glove hand back onto the ice like he still had the puck. Vasi even fooled his teammate Hedman as Hedman went to help shield the puck with Minty behind Hedman. Then you see Hedman realize the puck was passed out to the corner.

I think every Duck thought the puck was held by the goalie. Terry did see the puck squirt out and started to sprint back up the ice, cuz he was behind the net. Minty crashed down in front of the net for a potential rebound and thought the puck was also held by the goalie, but Minty only realized it wasn't after Terry started skating backup the ice. It was too late by then. Out of all of the Duck players, Minty should have been more aware of what Vasi did since Minty was the only one in front of the net when Vasi passed the puck out to the corner to a teammate.

The more I analyze it, the more impressed I am with Vasi orchestrating that goal. Hot damn, that was a great play by him!

 

[JAHV]

The Strome play was obviously a huge frustrating moment in the game, but I also think Derek was a bit unfair in this assessment. It looks to me like Strome believed the goalie caught the puck, not that he stopped to feel sorry for himself. Strome has his limitations but he's a solid pro.

Completely agreed - and it appears McDonagh thought the same thing, because he stopped in front of the net and looked down as if he was waiting for the whistle to blow. The puck squirted out to the corner after Strome skated by so it's reasonable of him to assume it got trapped under Vasilevskiy.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Most of the team has pretty rotten body language to be fair.

In recent weeks you had Colangelo with a big smile on his face despite being down 6 to the flyers. Gibson in overtime vs the Flames barely put any effort into getting back in position in overtime. There's a lot more examples throughout the years which would probably feature most of the current roster. Hard to single out any one person.

Its a culture thing, imo.

Culture is rotten to its core.

 

[Boo Boo]

Assuming that 3rd line is the shutdown line, Ducks can probably do that without stacking 2 lines.
McTavish Carlsson Colangelo (Carlsson has shown chemistry with both wings in limited time)
Vatrano Strome Terry
Gauthier Zegras Fabbri (Nesterenko after the deadline?)
Killorn Lundestrom Leason/Harkins

Try to add a top 6 wing in the offseason to replace Fabbri (or at the deadline if one is available and willing to sign a deal after the trade). Sounds like there's a few decent to amazing guys that could be availlable by summer. It also spreads the ice time out a little more, so players can "hunt pucks" and have more energy throughout the game.

I think that those line combinations are optimal for our roster

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Killorn has been totally fine, even good, for quite a while I'd say. Although he isn't the quickest guy, I feel like he pretty much brings it every shift. Also nobody loves the +/- stat but I still think directionally at least it says something meaningful. Killorn is tied with Zell at +4 on a team that isn't that good so it's impressive. Interestingly Zell is a guy who for some reason is still struggling to get in the lineup consistently. He's one of a few players who i feel hasn't gotten a fair shake this year.

We gotta use stats in context with other stats to paint a more better image of what's going on.

I recently compiled all of our Player Cards from the Athletic article and put them into lines or pairings. Killorn has the team's best overall defensive rating of 86%, but his offense is weak at 30%. Killorn is the only player on the team with over 50% CF Pct at Even Strength (or ES SAT %). He is tied for team best with Zell for +/- with a +4 rating. Killorn's OZ Start % is 53.8%, second highest on the team (with players still with on the team). The Player Card charts are shared below in the spoilers section if you want to see the evidence.

Zell's overall defensive rating is 32%, an ES CF Pct = 47.9%, a +4 rating, and an OZ Start Pct of 58.7%.

Both players are heavily sheltered with their ES OZ Start% being 53% or higher, but Killorn is able to do more defensively.

The weird part of the +/- and Player Cards is that Carlsson is worse offensively than Killorn, worse ES CF% than Killorn (at 44.8%), and sheltered than most of the team with the 6th best ES OZ Start % (at 50.3% like Terry).

Spoiler: Ducks' Forward Player Cards

Spoiler: Ducks' Defense Player Cards