GDT: #40 | Flyers at Leafs | Sunday, January 5, 2024 | 7:00 PM TONIGHT | NBCSP, 97.5 FM

[DancingPanther]

During the last 15 years when the Flyers have been completely irrelevant in the NHL

I'm Giroux_is_God btw. Welcome to my new home

 

[Beef Invictus]

That's not true at all, Pittsburgh was completely revamped by Rutherford.
After they lost in the first round in 2015,
subtracted: Downie, Sutter, Spaling, Martin, Comeau, Perron, Lapierre, Winnik, Scudari, Chorney
added: Kessel, Bonino, Hagelin, Cullen, Daley, Fehr, Schultz, Sheary, Rust, Kuhnhackl, Maata, Murray

Turned over more than half the roster in one year.

Those weren't culture moves. Recall that Kessel was run out of Toronto in large part because he was considered the biggest culture cancer in the league. People made fun of the Pens for adding him to their culture quagmire.

 

[Beef Invictus]

and yet, Gauthier booed all night by fans in the building so I don't think they agree with you and Drysdale the peanut scores twice. So whatever.


I'd like you to find me one that says that. I know lots of Buffalo fans as I grew up close to there and followed them in my youth. Some of them don't think Philly is any good either, but some of them even say Buffalo should have hired Torts and want a version of that but carry on believing your narrative if you want to.

Some of them are stupid, then. Tortorella is a disaster. This has been openly obvious and a thing I've pointed out since about 2012.

By the way:

A potent power play has never been more important | TSN

The offensive end of the spectrum has become a great differentiator in the modern NHL, Travis Yost writes.

www.tsn.ca

You're trapped somewhere in the anomalous 13/14 seasons.

 

[DancingPanther]

@Magua What have you done to your avatar

 

[Magua]

@Magua What have you done to your avatar

@BigToe and I are working through some stuff rn.

 

[BigToe]

@BigToe and I are working through some stuff rn.

 

[DancingPanther]

@BigToe and I are working through some stuff rn.

Thoughts and prayers

 

[Boocowski]

Some of them are stupid, then. Tortorella is a disaster. This has been openly obvious and a thing I've pointed out since about 2012.

By the way:

A potent power play has never been more important | TSN

The offensive end of the spectrum has become a great differentiator in the modern NHL, Travis Yost writes.

www.tsn.ca

You're trapped somewhere in the anomalous 13/14 seasons.

We disagree on Torts but that's a dog beaten to death around here. Let's just agree to disagree on it.

Where did I say a PP didn't matter? Of course a good PP is good. Not sure where you got that from. However, it's not everything. If it was teams like Pittsburgh and Detroit would be a lot higher in the standings as they have very good PPs. Jets currently have the best PP, are they the best team? I doubt it. Wild are good but their PP isn't. So it's a thing for sure, and Philly not having a good PP hurts them for sure, but I've never said otherwise on that.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

We disagree on Torts but that's a dog beaten to death around here. Let's just agree to disagree on it.

Where did I say a PP didn't matter? Of course a good PP is good. Not sure where you got that from. However, it's not everything. If it was teams like Pittsburgh and Detroit would be a lot higher in the standings as they have very good PPs. Jets currently have the best PP, are they the best team? I doubt it. Wild are good but their PP isn't. So it's a thing for sure, and Philly not having a good PP hurts them for sure, but I've never said otherwise on that.

This is a joke right? The Jets are currently tied for the most points in the league. What in your infinite lack of using facts wisdom makes the best team in the league? It's not the PP alone but by golly gosh scoring more goals definitely helps. Like you're right the PP isn't everything, but then you used the Jets as your argument against it. What are.you doing here?

Edit:Also Det and Pitt both higher in the standings then the Flyers. Maybe if the Flyers had a better PP, or you know just scored more goals especially when given an advantage, they'd be higher in the standings instead

 

[Beef Invictus]

We disagree on Torts but that's a dog beaten to death around here. Let's just agree to disagree on it.

Where did I say a PP didn't matter? Of course a good PP is good. Not sure where you got that from. However, it's not everything. If it was teams like Pittsburgh and Detroit would be a lot higher in the standings as they have very good PPs. Jets currently have the best PP, are they the best team? I doubt it. Wild are good but their PP isn't. So it's a thing for sure, and Philly not having a good PP hurts them for sure, but I've never said otherwise on that.

The article makes it clear it isn't just the PP. It's offense. In general. The PP being even more important because it's an easier place to generate the offense that drives the league.

It is a scoring league now. Not a defensive league.

 

[deadhead]

STs matter. In the end you want to be net positive on (PPG + SHG - PPA - SHA).
If you have a good PP, opposing teams play less aggressively, if you have a good PK, you can play more aggressively.
Few teams have both top PP and PK units.

 

[Boocowski]

This is a joke right? The Jets are currently tied for the most points in the league. What in your infinite lack of using facts wisdom makes the best team in the league? It's not the PP alone but by golly gosh scoring more goals definitely helps. Like you're right the PP isn't everything, but then you used the Jets as your argument against it. What are.you doing here?

Edit:Also Det and Pitt both higher in the standings then the Flyers. Maybe if the Flyers had a better PP, or you know just scored more goals especially when given an advantage, they'd be higher in the standings instead

Ya, I already said Flyers could use a better PP why are you arguing that? It's obvious.

Regarding the Jets, they aren't that good. Good but not the top team. A number of reasons they are where they are, but I will bet you right now they definitely do not win the cup (unless they make some unexpected spectacular deadline deals, then maybe).

I'm curious, but do you watch other teams or just the Flyers?

The article makes it clear it isn't just the PP. It's offense. In general. The PP being even more important because it's an easier place to generate the offense that drives the league.

It is a scoring league now. Not a defensive league.

and yet without great defense definitely no cups and usually early playoff exits. Saying "it's a scoring league" is very simplistic and wrong in many ways.

I'm guessing you are quite young am I right? Also, like the other guy, do you watch hockey, other teams, or just the Flyers?

 

[Boocowski]

STs matter. In the end you want to be net positive on (PPG + SHG - PPA - SHA).
If you have a good PP, opposing teams play less aggressively, if you have a good PK, you can play more aggressively.
Few teams have both top PP and PK units.

There's truth to that, but that's also why a lot of these good PP teams have early playoff exits. It's harder to score in the playoffs and those teams that played less aggressively in the regular season take it up a few notches in the playoffs when penalties are often less easily called and teams also play more physical. Physical for a whole season wears you out. Physical for a 7 game series is very doable.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Ya, I already said Flyers could use a better PP why are you arguing that? It's obvious.

Regarding the Jets, they aren't that good. Good but not the top team. A number of reasons they are where they are, but I will bet you right now they definitely do not win the cup (unless they make some unexpected spectacular deadline deals, then maybe).

I'm curious, but do you watch other teams or just the Flyers?


and yet without great defense definitely no cups and usually early playoff exits. Saying "it's a scoring league" is very simplistic and wrong in many ways.

I'm guessing you are quite young am I right? Also, like the other guy, do you watch hockey, other teams, or just the Flyers?

I watch the whole league, that's why I know how the league works. I'm 39. I've lived through many eras. I have preached the virtues of whatever is working the most in those eras. This is the scoring era now.

None of that matters though. It doesn't make anything I'm saying more or less true. The facts of the sport are what they are, and I'm hardly some radical here. It's the accepted, mainstream view of the sport now. Tortorella spent his time on TV whining about it.

Great offense is great defense. When you are scoring and controlling possession, the other team is not. Hence how Edmonton had fantastic defensive results in the playoffs as a consequence of their offensive efforts. 23 shots against per game is good, is it not? For all the talk about how they are bad at defense because of their focus on offense...it didn't matter, because they were not defending very much. The only fully effective form of defense is not needing to play it.

You never answered my question. Is preventing the other team from trying to score on you good defense, or not?

 

[TCTC]

This is the scoring era now.

Sometimes I miss 0-0 ties. Goals are more meaningful when there's not too many of them. Nowadays every game has 5+ goals and even mediocre 2nd line players score 30+ per year. Lessens the impact and the achievment of goals, imo.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

Sometimes I miss 0-0 ties. Goals are more meaningful when there's not too many of them. Nowadays every game has 5+ goals and even mediocre 2nd line players score 30+ per year. Lessens the impact and the achievment of goals, imo.

Wish the Flyers had those mediocre 2nd line players scoring 30 every year. I guess you can count Tippett but other than that only Konecny is scoring 30+ and he's a first line player

 

[deadhead]

If you look at the past ten Cup winners (different game before that), only TB for one year and Pittsburgh for two years were top offenses. Other seven ranged from average to good.

That's b/c, as Toronto has learned, playoff hockey is different from regular season hockey.
The windows are smaller, refs swallow whistles, and hot goalies are more prevalent.
So being a dominant regular season offense doesn't necessarily translate to post-season.

SC winners tend to take different paths, but generally they're good at some things, and rarely bad at anything. And they get hot at the right time.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Oh good. We’ve got a classic Leafs misunderstanding today. Can anyone complete the matched set with a CBJ-TB sweep talking point?

 

[Beef Invictus]

I remember when Toronto took their lessons about playoff hockey into the last playoffs and promptly failed to score and then lost. We heard all about how different it would be. And it was different. They lost faster and harder.

 

[deadhead]

I remember when Toronto took their lessons about playoff hockey into the last playoffs and promptly failed to score and then lost. We heard all about how different it would be. And it was different. They lost faster and harder.

It'll be interesting to see them this season under a new HC. One with proven PO success.

 

[deadhead]

Sometimes I miss 0-0 ties. Goals are more meaningful when there's not too many of them. Nowadays every game has 5+ goals and even mediocre 2nd line players score 30+ per year. Lessens the impact and the achievment of goals, imo.

47 forwards scored 30+ goals last season (EH, so no empty nets).
Another 69 scored 20+ goals. [3 D-men, Josi, Makar, Weegar]

Only 37 forwards scored 20+ ES goals.
Only 20 forwards had 20+ primary assists. [3 D-men, Josi, Morrisey and Ekholm]

So I don't think too many "mediocre 2nd line players" are scoring 30 goals.

Tippett is having a bad year? Right now he's 23rd in ES goals with 12.
TK is 8th with 13 primary assists. 11th overall in ES points.