GDT: #40 | Flyers at Leafs | Sunday, January 5, 2024 | 7:00 PM TONIGHT | NBCSP, 97.5 FM

[Curufinwe]

Culture also spills downhill from the emotional intelligence of the people making the decisions. It’s worrisome to me that a GM can stand at a press conference about trading a top prospect and sound like a jilted middle school lover.

Not to mention the way Danny talked about Laughton last year. The quotes read like a parody post.

Scott Laughton is worth more than 'fair value' to the Flyers, so he's staying for the playoff push

Flyers GM Danny Brière said there was interest in Scott Laughton at the trade deadline, but with what he meant to the team and to its culture, it was going to take a lot before they considered moving him.

www.phillyvoice.com

"I was upfront with him," Brière said. "I told him that I wasn't shopping him, first of all. I wasn't gonna trade him for fair value because he's more than fair value to us. The intangibles that he brings in the locker room are something that has no price, and the other teams don't see that, but we do. I told him that. I said 'We're not gonna trade you if it's just a fair trade.' Someone would have to overstep and really knock it out of the ballpark for us to consider it.

 

[Larry44]

There is when you sit back and play cautiously to get to OT. I guess that's part of the Flyers approach to building that winning culture they always talk about.
The Flyers didn't tank to get Michkov. Their incompetence put them where they were and they were gifted Michkov. They didn't plan and execute to get him.

They were gifted Michkov and accepted the universe's benevolence and took him. Then a few minutes later they were gifted Perreault, and took Bonk. Last year they were gifted Buium but traded down to take Luchanko. They really aren't very smart, and that is going to hurt the team's future. They are 6-10 years away from realistic Cup contention, and worrying about culture is a moot point and stupid pursuit.

Culture means nothing when almost none of the players on the team now are going to be around when they start to really compete in 2030. Michkov, maybe Foerster, maybe York. I love Brink, but he'll be gone. That's about it. Among the prospects, maybe Jett and Bonk. Some of the untradeable contracts will be there for the start of the contention run: Konecny, Sanheim, Couturier and Tippett.

 

[Rich Nixon]

They were gifted Michkov and accepted the universe's benevolence and took him. Then a few minutes later they were gifted Perreault, and took Bonk. Last year they were gifted Buium but traded down to take Luchanko. They really aren't very smart, and that is going to hurt the team's future. They are 6-10 years away from realistic Cup contention, and worrying about culture is a moot point and stupid pursuit.

Culture means nothing when almost none of the players on the team now are going to be around when they start to really compete in 2030. Michkov, maybe Foerster, maybe York. I love Brink, but he'll be gone. That's about it. Among the prospects, maybe Jett and Bonk. Some of the untradeable contracts will be there for the start of the contention run: Konecny, Sanheim, Couturier and Tippett.

I also don't understand how sucking ass for a couple of seasons inherently means you will have a ROTTEN TOXIC CULTURE.

These are professionals and adults. They know what time it is. If you're frank and honest with your team and fans, you go:

"Hey, we need to get ourselves in position to contend down the line. These next few years, we're not going to be good at all. We'll have to make some tough decisions and ship some guys out, and the results won't be pretty a lot of nights. But there'll be plenty of opportunity for young guys, and we want them to try hard every night and have as much fun as they can on the ice and in the room, we appreciate and support them, and we're determined to make it back to the top soon after this brief dip in the standings. Believe in us, we'll get there."

And players will get that. They know how the business works. It might be frustrating for some of them, but it's a job. And in that, you can do all the player evaluation you want. The guys who keep fighting during garbage time. The guys who use the freedom of lower expectations to grow and try things and add tools to their game. You can still work in the right direction while stripping down the roster to draft better.

It's better than sending a bunch of under-equipped soldiers into war and telling them "look you're probably not going to win but we're going to give you the opportunity" while telling fans "actually maybe this army has a chance!!!"

I just want a team run by grownups that can treat its players and fans like grownups. Not these smug buffoons acting like they're sitting on some master plan that they never show any progress towards.

 

[renberg]

I just want a team run by grownups that can treat its players and fans like grownups. Not these smug buffoons acting like they're sitting on some master plan that they never show any progress towards.

Management is pissing on the shoes of the fans and telling them that it’s raining. For over a decade they’ve been a rudderless mess just floating around in oblivion. Aside from getting Michkov it’s hard to see one positive thing that the organization has done on which they can hang their hat to indicate that they are on a path to success.
Tortorella tweaking the public with his “teaching them how to play the right way” is BS. He wouldn’t know the right way if it bit him in the butt. The last time he was in the SC playoffs some of these guys weren’t even born. His record in town is less than .500. and heading south.

 

[Rebels57]

They were gifted Michkov and accepted the universe's benevolence and took him. Then a few minutes later they were gifted Perreault, and took Bonk. Last year they were gifted Buium but traded down to take Luchanko. They really aren't very smart, and that is going to hurt the team's future. They are 6-10 years away from realistic Cup contention, and worrying about culture is a moot point and stupid pursuit.

Culture means nothing when almost none of the players on the team now are going to be around when they start to really compete in 2030. Michkov, maybe Foerster, maybe York. I love Brink, but he'll be gone. That's about it. Among the prospects, maybe Jett and Bonk. Some of the untradeable contracts will be there for the start of the contention run: Konecny, Sanheim, Couturier and Tippett.

I still maintain that the true #1 reason they passed on Buium is that they were afraid of a Gauthier repeat and him not signing here. Continuing to operate like this is not acceptable.

 

[ellja3]

Fedotov starts again tonight.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Fedotov starts again tonight.

Bizarro world shit that this even happened. Legit surprised.

 

[ellja3]

Bizarro world shit that this even happened. Legit surprised.

?

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

?

The fact that not only Fedotov getting a 2nd straight start, but the fact that they even dress him at all. They've shown they really haven't wanted to start him in any way over the last month+. I legit expected Kolosov to be back in net.

 

[Curufinwe]

Bizarro world shit that this even happened. Legit surprised.

A healthy goalie not starting for a month then starting two in a row must be very rare.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

A healthy goalie not starting for a month then starting two in a row must be very rare.

As rare as a player coming up from LHV and getting on PP1 immediately?

This team just does weird things.

 

[ellja3]

A healthy goalie not starting for a month then starting two in a row must be very rare.

You know what's also rare? Stupidity of this team

 

[Curufinwe]

I still maintain that the true #1 reason they passed on Buium is that they were afraid of a Gauthier repeat and him not signing here. Continuing to operate like this is not acceptable.

Very likely, and that means Gauthier ended up being one of the worst first round picks in Flyers history. JOB busted as bad as you can bust, but at least he didn't cost us anything down the road.

 

[BillDineen]

It would be so Flyers that the guy written off as the 3rd goalie is the best option the rest of the year

 

[Beef Invictus]

Nope. Nothing wrong with getting to OT to get a point.


Except you tank for a guy like Michkov, and we got him.

Yes there is. They weren't just surviving. They'd been playing well. They could have pushed and won. They took the coward route.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Not to mention the way Danny talked about Laughton last year. The quotes read like a parody post.

Scott Laughton is worth more than 'fair value' to the Flyers, so he's staying for the playoff push

Flyers GM Danny Brière said there was interest in Scott Laughton at the trade deadline, but with what he meant to the team and to its culture, it was going to take a lot before they considered moving him.

www.phillyvoice.com

"I was upfront with him," Brière said. "I told him that I wasn't shopping him, first of all. I wasn't gonna trade him for fair value because he's more than fair value to us. The intangibles that he brings in the locker room are something that has no price, and the other teams don't see that, but we do. I told him that. I said 'We're not gonna trade you if it's just a fair trade.' Someone would have to overstep and really knock it out of the ballpark for us to consider it.

You'd think he was talking about Couturier in his prime.

 

[Larry44]

I still maintain that the true #1 reason they passed on Buium is that they were afraid of a Gauthier repeat and him not signing here. Continuing to operate like this is not acceptable.

If that is the case, it's management malpractice. If his agent is a problem, then Jones and Briere need to set up some meetings and work out their differences. He reps so many top players, you can't just ignore his clients and cut them out of their potential talent pool. It would be like a baseball GM refusing to look at Scott Boras' players (he has greater market share but the principle is the same).

 

[Beef Invictus]

Would be another Clarke Value in action. Clarke cannot handle players who dare to advocate for themselves. He's always absolutely hated it to the point of hysteria. Probably an ego thing. "How dare anyone stand up to me? How dare anyone stand up to my team? Don't they know why we are!?"

Team needs new values.

 

[deadhead]

The fact that not only Fedotov getting a 2nd straight start, but the fact that they even dress him at all. They've shown they really haven't wanted to start him in any way over the last month+. I legit expected Kolosov to be back in net.

He needed to get "fixed." I'm sure they were working hard on his technique and maybe his conditioning and flexibility (he looked stiff to start the season).

Other than a couple bad rebounds he looked better on Sunday, hopefully he can build on that.
If he plays better, when Ersson is healthy I might give Kolosov the choice, LHV or Minsk. He's two years away in any case.

 

[kudymen]

In the end, it comes down more to implementation than strategy.

I'm starting to understand now. It's talked about Buffalo more than the successful implementations like Colorado or Pittsburgh..

..Because the Flyers management probably couldn't implement shit and would end up like Buffalo instead.

Now I get it. The Buffalo talk is more warranted.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm starting to understand now. It's talked about Buffalo more than the successful implementations like Colorado or Pittsburgh..

..Because the Flyers management probably couldn't implement shit and would end up like Buffalo instead.

Now I get it. The Buffalo talk is more warranted.

It's not a defense of management, but an acknowledgement that they could do no better!

 

[kudymen]

It's not a defense of management, but an acknowledgement that they could do no better!

Which is positive

 

[Beef Invictus]

Which is positive

This is a positive place. Everyone knows.

 

[deadhead]

I'm starting to understand now. It's talked about Buffalo more than the successful implementations like Colorado or Pittsburgh..

Because the Flyers management probably couldn't implement shit and would end up like Biffalo instead.

Now I get it. The Buffalo talk is more warranted.

If the FO can't scout and develop players, tanking won't help.

Look at Anaheim, loaded with high picks, yet the only reason they're not the worst team in the NHL is a #85 pick goalie on a heater. Their top scoring forward was #148 (Terry).
Carlsson #2, McTavish #3, Gauthier #5, Zegras #9, Minuyukov #10.
Lundestrom #23, Zellweger #34, Colangelo #36, LaCombe #39.
despite adding Vatrone (30), Strome (31), Killorn (35), Gudas (34), Dumoulin (33), McGinn (30), Trouba (30), they're 31st in xGF% and 32nd in HDCF%.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If the FO can't scout and develop players, tanking won't help.

Look at Anaheim, loaded with high picks, yet the only reason they're not the worst team in the NHL is a #85 pick goalie on a heater. Their top scoring forward was #148 (Terry).
Carlsson #2, McTavish #3, Gauthier #5, Zegras #9, Minuyukov #10.
Lundestrom (23), Zellweger (34) Colangelo (36), LaCombe (39)
despite adding Vatrone (30), Strome (31), Killorn (35), Gudas (34), Dumoulin (33), McGinn (30), Trouba (30), they're 31st in xGF% and 32nd in HDCF%.

So you're on board with firing everyone. Because otherwise this is going nowhere and they're wasting another star's career.