GDT: #40 | Flyers at Leafs | Sunday, January 5, 2024 | 7:00 PM TONIGHT | NBCSP, 97.5 FM

[LegionOfDoom91]

so your fine with losing your hockey team to another city?

 

[deadhead]

Think that was pretty on target, the younger guy with upside but an inconsistent track record for two older guys who'll cost more to retain with longer track records but at an age where they could be problematic to extend.

Calgary basically decided to patch and pray instead of rebuild (probably could have flipped both Huberdeau and Weegar for 1st rd picks plus along with the 1st they got).
Coleman in 2021 to 6x4.9
Kadri in 2022 to 7x7
Huberdeau in 2023 to 8x10.5
Weegar in 2023 to 8x6.5
Backlund in 2024 to 2x4.5

And they still missed the POs the last two years and will probably miss this season as well.
Motivation might have been to build support for new stadium?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Think that was pretty on target, the younger guy with upside but an inconsistent track record for two older guys who'll cost more to retain with longer track records but at an age where they could be problematic to extend.

Calgary basically decided to patch and pray instead of rebuild (probably could have flipped both Huberdeau and Weegar for 1st rd picks plus along with the 1st they got).
Coleman in 2021 to 6x4.9
Kadri in 2022 to 7x7
Huberdeau in 2023 to 8x10.5
Weegar in 2023 to 8x6.5
Backlund in 2024 to 2x4.5

And they still missed the POs the last two years and will probably miss this season as well.
Motivation might have been to build support for new stadium?

1. Tkachuk would scare me.
2. I got that right.

??????????

 

[deadhead]

1. Tkachuk would scare me.
2. I got that right.

??????????

Risk/reward,

Calgary had to trade Tkachuk, what would scare me is the price tag, 2 top starters plus a 1st is a lot - but since Zito had no intention of extending them, the risk was reduced, the opportunity cost became the draft picks he'd obtained if he traded those two.

Since Florida was a SC contender (122 point season) draft picks didn't have a lot of attraction.

Tkachuk would replace Huberdeau (coming off a 115 point season, career high at 28), the key was a replacement for Weegar. They had Ekblad, Gudas and had picked up Montour, so they were top heavy on the right side.

I'd point out that Tkachuk's two peak years were the year before and after the deal, 40 goals and 100+ points, followed by 26 goals and 88 points last season, and this season prorates to 31 and 80.

It wasn't a huge risk for Zito, but what was Calgary thinking?

 

[MJL66]

Risk/reward,

Calgary had to trade Tkachuk, what would scare me is the price tag, 2 top starters plus a 1st is a lot - but since Zito had no intention of extending them, the risk was reduced, the opportunity cost became the draft picks he'd obtained if he traded those two.

Since Florida was a SC contender (122 point season) draft picks didn't have a lot of attraction.

Tkachuk would replace Huberdeau (coming off a 115 point season, career high at 28), the key was a replacement for Weegar. They had Ekblad, Gudas and had picked up Montour, so they were top heavy on the right side.

I'd point out that Tkachuk's two peak years were the year before and after the deal, 40 goals and 100+ points, followed by 26 goals and 88 points last season, and this season prorates to 31 and 80.

It wasn't a huge risk for Zito, but what was Calgary thinking?

Thachuk wasn't going to re-sign in Calgary

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Wake me up when the Flyers make even a slightly difficult move.

 

[Magua]

Not having the vision to make a franchise changing trade, then rewriting history to pretend you axshually knew it was an easy trade, then arrogantly gaslighting fans who notice, and then deluding yourself that you’ll be the next team to make that caliber trade is sort of the Flyers entire strategy to be fair.

Some people truly deserve this team, and frankly, that’s just heartwarming. Someone or something for everyone!

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Risk/reward,

Calgary had to trade Tkachuk, what would scare me is the price tag, 2 top starters plus a 1st is a lot - but since Zito had no intention of extending them, the risk was reduced, the opportunity cost became the draft picks he'd obtained if he traded those two.

Since Florida was a SC contender (122 point season) draft picks didn't have a lot of attraction.

Tkachuk would replace Huberdeau (coming off a 115 point season, career high at 28), the key was a replacement for Weegar. They had Ekblad, Gudas and had picked up Montour, so they were top heavy on the right side.

I'd point out that Tkachuk's two peak years were the year before and after the deal, 40 goals and 100+ points, followed by 26 goals and 88 points last season, and this season prorates to 31 and 80.

It wasn't a huge risk for Zito, but what was Calgary thinking?

I really don’t want to keep resurrecting old posts. We’re all wrong constantly. The only part that makes you look a little silly is this response where you attempt to explain the new and exciting ways in which you were correct if you squint — well actually Takchuk fell off, well his head is shaped funny. It’s ok. Projecting these trades is incredibly difficult. No one is actually good at it for the close ones! The important part is to keep trying to learn.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

P.S.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

Wake me up when the Flyers make even a slightly difficult move.

Do Flahr's morning BMs count?

 

[trostol]

Wake me up when the Flyers make even a slightly difficult move.

or even a not so difficult move that they just can't make worse

 

[freakydallas13]

1. Tkachuk would scare me.
2. I got that right.

??????????

You never have to explain yourself if you never admit you were wrong.

 

[freakydallas13]

I really don’t want to keep resurrecting old posts. We’re all wrong constantly. The only part that makes you look a little silly is this response where you attempt to explain the new and exciting ways in which you were correct if you squint — well actually Takchuk fell off, well his head is shaped funny. It’s ok. Projecting these trades is incredibly difficult. No one is actually good at it for the close ones! The important part is to keep trying to learn.

I've had so many horrible takes over the years.

I penciled Kevin Marshall into a top for role. Thought Joacim Ericksson was the goaltender of the future. I thought Seeler was nothing but an AHL plug before the Flyers signed him.

I'm routinely wrong. But at least I admit it.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I've had so many horrible takes over the years.

I penciled Kevin Marshall into a top for role. Thought Joacim Ericksson was the goaltender of the future. I thought Seeler was nothing but an AHL plug before the Flyers signed him.

I'm routinely wrong. But at least I admit it.

I was so happy they got rid of Justin Williams. He sucked.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It. Wasn't. That. Hard.

Remember when Trotz and Sullivan were slammed as not being anything special because they were used as a foil to Hakstol, and when that fell apart it was instead claimed that coaching doesn't even matter?

Now suddenly coaching is vital!

 

[Beef Invictus]

Not having the vision to make a franchise changing trade, then rewriting history to pretend you axshually knew it was an easy trade, then arrogantly gaslighting fans who notice, and then deluding yourself that you’ll be the next team to make that caliber trade is sort of the Flyers entire strategy to be fair.

Some people truly deserve this team, and frankly, that’s just heartwarming. Someone or something for everyone!

This is very positive

 

[Beef Invictus]

Do Flahr's morning BMs count?

He eats those, btw

 

[Boocowski]

So then you're probably pretty pissed about the last 3+ minutes where they stopped playing to win and buckled down to just survive to get the OT point, right? That's loser stuff.

Nope. Nothing wrong with getting to OT to get a point.

It's always fascinating to me when people go "well look at Buffalo." Not "well look at Pittsburgh, Chicago, Tampa, Colorado...". Not the teams who did it right, tanked at the right time to get the talent they needed and, once secured, took the appropriate steps to build around said talent and become perennial contenders and win multiple Cups.

Buffalo isn't where they are because they're tanking on purpose. They've sucked forever because they're owned by a stupid asshole who doesn't know how to staff a hockey operations department. The Flyers are in a similar boat, their stupid asshole is just a bad cable company.

There is no technique for anything that works for everyone because not everyone executes to the same extent. "Tanking" is not the entirety of a rebuild, it's step one of many. You can't look at the teams who never figure out how to take the second, third, and fourth steps and declare that step one is a bad idea.

Except you tank for a guy like Michkov, and we got him.

 

[Boocowski]

Is 26/27 really the pivotal year? I'll inject a dose of reality. If this franchise does it right, which they won't. They're 5-10 years away. They've already wasted well over a decade of time. They're on their way to seeing that it's two decades
Here is another truth for you. You've bought into the marketing plan and talking points of the franchise. Who have somehow convinced a larger portion of their fan base that you can build a winning culture without actually winning.

26/27 is the pivotal year because of the salary cap and the UFAs. The Fletcher deals are over, the dead money is gone, and then the picks we've made up to then should look good (or bad) and what they do then, how they spend that money, that'll determine whether it's success or failure for this management. It'll also be the point where Michkov should start to be the full version of whatever he will be.

If they blow 26/27 then yes, it'll be another chunk of years and some rinse and repeat. That will suck.

Interesting. So playing like shit and having a shit org is cool so long as they act like they have a plan to not be shit? For all the culture talk this seems to be the worse indictment. I don't know I feel like sports is more enjoyable when the team I root for is, you know, good. I would rather have an organization that actually has a plan to get better and actually executes on it. The Flyers haven't been doing that for 10 years now, and they've mostly kept the same M.O. Somethings rotten in the state of Denmark here.

I don't see it that way. I see a shift after Fletcher. I could be wrong but until proven wrong I'm sticking with it. If you see it as the same well, then I guess you will be more pessimistic about their chances. As I've said, my optimism holds until 26/27.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Nope. Nothing wrong with getting to OT to get a point.


Except you tank for a guy like Michkov, and we got him.

Does Colorado win a Cup without Makar and Rantanen?

Does Florida win a Cup without Ekblad and Tkachuk?

Does Chicago win three Cups without Kane?

Does Pittsburgh win three Cups without Crosby? I mean, they'd already drafted Malkin, why did they need another guy? One guy is enough, right?

Every one of those teams drafted their 1C in the top 5, by the way. Do the Flyers have a 1C? Do they even have a 2C? Would it be nice to have one whose prime aligns with Michkov's so they can have a sustained window of contention? No?

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Does Colorado win a Cup without Makar and Rantanen?

Does Florida win a Cup without Ekblad and Tkachuk?

Does Pittsburgh win three Cups without Malkin and Fleury?

Does Chicago win three Cups without Kane?

It's almost like you need more than one guy.

Every one of those teams drafted their 1C in the top 5, by the way. Do the Flyers have a 1C? Do they even have a 2C?

How long until Michkov is a checker who tackles people like Poehling for ice time? #culture It hasn’t worked for half a century but I’m being told it will work now!

 

[CerpinTaxt]

26/27 is the pivotal year because of the salary cap and the UFAs. The Fletcher deals are over, the dead money is gone, and then the picks we've made up to then should look good (or bad) and what they do then, how they spend that money, that'll determine whether it's success or failure for this management. It'll also be the point where Michkov should start to be the full version of whatever he will be.

If they blow 26/27 then yes, it'll be another chunk of years and some rinse and repeat. That will suck.


I don't see it that way. I see a shift after Fletcher. I could be wrong but until proven wrong I'm sticking with it. If you see it as the same well, then I guess you will be more pessimistic about their chances. As I've said, my optimism holds until 26/27.

What shift are you talking about? Nothings changed since Fletcher was fired other than the name on the GM's office door. It's not pessimistic it's looking at reality. I hope and want them to be good, but don't see it happening with how the team and org currently operates.

Pessimism would be if the team was actually good and I constantly shat on them for things I didn't like.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

What shift are you talking about? Nothings changed since Fletcher was fired other than the name on the GM's office door. It's not pessimistic it's looking at reality. I hope and want them to be good, but don't see it happening with how the team and org currently operates.

Pessimism would be if the team was actually good and I constantly shat on them for things I didn't like.

Daniel Briere is Keith Jones who is Bobby Clarke who is Comcast. Enjoy the checking and culture and another half century of no Stanley cups.

 

[MJL66]

26/27 is the pivotal year because of the salary cap and the UFAs. The Fletcher deals are over, the dead money is gone, and then the picks we've made up to then should look good (or bad) and what they do then, how they spend that money, that'll determine whether it's success or failure for this management. It'll also be the point where Michkov should start to be the full version of whatever he will be.

If they blow 26/27 then yes, it'll be another chunk of years and some rinse and repeat. That will suck.


I don't see it that way. I see a shift after Fletcher. I could be wrong but until proven wrong I'm sticking with it. If you see it as the same well, then I guess you will be more pessimistic about their chances. As I've said, my optimism holds until 26/27.

It isn't a pivotal year. Unless you mean a year where they will further sink their franchise. This team is years away. Far further away than you believe. There is no shift in strategy after Fletcher. Only a pause caused by their own incompetence.

 

[MJL66]

Nope. Nothing wrong with getting to OT to get a point.


Except you tank for a guy like Michkov, and we got him.

There is when you sit back and play cautiously to get to OT. I guess that's part of the Flyers approach to building that winning culture they always talk about.
The Flyers didn't tank to get Michkov. Their incompetence put them where they were and they were gifted Michkov. They didn't plan and execute to get him.