4 Years Ago: Max traded to Vegas for Suzuki & Tatar
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Bergy's claim to fame. Suzuki by accident and getting Byron on waivers.
MasterD
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I know it's weird, and they're very different, but when I think of Tatar I think of Tatar-Danault-Gallagher. And when I think of that line, it reminds me of Dackell-Juneau-Sundstrom. Two lines with low expectations that made things happen through 1. chemistry 2. hard work.
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Bergevin figured out how to acquire a centreman: trade your captain and best goal scorer for a centre prospect.
Meanwhile you’re in self-proclaimed “win-now” mode with tens of millions committed to injury-prone 30-somethings Weber and Price.
It worked out but the circumstances of the trade were as bad as it gets, it’s like Bergevin tried his best to destroy any value Pacioretty would have on the trade market.
Meanwhile you’re in self-proclaimed “win-now” mode with tens of millions committed to injury-prone 30-somethings Weber and Price.
It worked out but the circumstances of the trade were as bad as it gets, it’s like Bergevin tried his best to destroy any value Pacioretty would have on the trade market.
ChesterNimitz
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The depth of his incompetency was breathtaking. But even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
BigDaddyLurch
Have some PRIDE, Eric...
...you can think whatever you want...I posted facts; if you don't like facts, read Fiction...
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
And your interpretation of these facts is dumb as hell. That's my point. 1000 percent your ass and the rest of this board's would have been ecstatic with acquiring Cody Glass at the time of the trade.
BigDaddyLurch
Have some PRIDE, Eric...
...and it would have turned into another EPIC fail, just like almost everything else Bargain Bin touched...my "dumb as Hell" interpretation was also correct; the trade literally fell into his lap due to a significant error on McPhee's part...facts...so you can bitch & whine for the sake of bitching & whining until the cow's come home, doesn't change the facts...
Prairie Habs
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Glass was universally viewed as more valuable at the time. The fact he has had injury trouble and hasn't developed well doesn't make trying to trade for him a bad move. If you trade a 4th round pick for a 1st round pick then your prospect gets hit by a bus did the GM suddenly make a bad trade?
Its funny that you keep slamming the table about "the facts!!?!" in a thread where your only point is that an amazing trade was secretly a bad for some reason. Take a deep breath, go enjoy your Sunday. Scary MB can't get you anymore.
The Gr8 Dane
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It was a good trade but pretty standard return for what paciorrety was at that point.
I give him credit for making a good hockey deal but its not like it was some incredibly shrewd deal he pulled off paciorrety had tons of value. Congrats to bergie for doing his job normally where hes paid handsomely? Nah.
Dosent make up for his incompetency but it was a good trade
I think the Danault trade was his shrewdest
I give him credit for making a good hockey deal but its not like it was some incredibly shrewd deal he pulled off paciorrety had tons of value. Congrats to bergie for doing his job normally where hes paid handsomely? Nah.
Dosent make up for his incompetency but it was a good trade
I think the Danault trade was his shrewdest
BigDaddyLurch
Have some PRIDE, Eric...
...you might need to reread my posts in this thread, amigo...simply pointing out that this trade fell into Bargain's lap and he still needed a good shove to take it is all I did...and, btw, as was pointed out by @Adam Michaels in this thread, Glass was not much more valuable, if at all, than Suzuki at the time the trade was made...again, I never said it was a "bad trade" by anyone other than McPhee; I pointed out that it wasn't some "shrewd move" by Bargain Bin as much as it was a lucky error by McPhee and a smart call by Timmins...but yes, I truly despise Bargain Bin and so am a wee bit biased there...
JianYang
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Yeah, glass was considered the better prospect at the time.
When you are evaluating prospects, there will always be some luck involved, no matter how much knowledge your staff has.
At the end of the day, you are still trading for what you think a player will become as opposed to what the player currently is, and there is a large degree of uncertainty that inherently comes with that. I don't care if you're Bergevin or Pollock when it comes to this type of thing.
It also reminds of the kovalev deal that gainey made. It was said at the time that the rangers were given the choice between plekanec and balej. They took balej, but in retrospect, it is seen how wrong it ended up being for the rangers. On the flipside, if gainey knew what plekanec would become, there no way he would offer him up for an impending ufa.
ChesterNimitz
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Mailloux will salvage a bit of his soiled reputation. A lot is riding on that young man’s shoulders.
BigDaddyLurch
Have some PRIDE, Eric...
Suzuki, Tatar, 2nd for Max Pacioretty
Jeff Petry for a 3rd and 5th
Philippe Danault and Alexander Romanov for Tomas Fleischmann and Dale Weise
Brett Kulak for Rinat Valiev and Matt Taormina
Max Domi for Alex Galchenyuk
2nd rd pick for a 4th rd pick (via Marco Scandella)
2nd, 3rd, 7th for Andrew Shaw
He won many smaller trades too.
The man was pretty good with trades, let's not kid ourselves. He just had a tendency to play with fire, and he got burned in summer 2017 when he lost Markov and Radulov, pushing him to trade for Drouin and sign Alzner. He got burned again last summer, losing Danault and Kotkaniemi. Both summers set the franchise back years.
We had a Quebecois star centre, and he let him walk...
Ahhh…..the verbal salad lady
MrNasty
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You are just a grump.
You keep saying these 'facts" - in bold letters but just share simple link to said facts rather than acting all holy.
I have been on this forum a heck of a lot and that is the first time I heard that version of the rumour. The rumour I remember hearing about was Habs asked for Glass but McPhee wouldn't do it and eventually settled for Suzuki. Not sure how that turns into Timmins trying to convince a stupid MB to instead take Suzuki. If that was the case then everybody on this forum is just as stupid because EVERYONE wanted Glass (or Borgstrom or Valiardi).
BigDaddyLurch
Have some PRIDE, Eric...
...then you haven't paid much attention to the Boards cuz this has been rehashed ad naseum...look it up yourself, if you don't believe it...and yes, I am a grump...doesn't change anything except I'm additionally grumpy as the years go on...
26Mats
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He had a good many good individual moves. Just no vision of what it takes to build a winner. It ain't only speed and character, and then turn around shortly thereafter and get a bunch slow with character guys, all the while having talent as an after thought.
I remember Habs wanting Glass but they said no (Vegas) and offered Suzuki instead and Bergevin consulted with his people (Timmins and co.) and the verdict was yes
Deals get done this way all the time.
Don’t understand why BigDaddy is on a mission to downplay a good trade just because Glass was the first choice….of course he was the first choice, he was their TOP PROSPECT!!!
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He was GM for ten years and you couldn't list even ten moves he made that improved the team that never had a 1C or a single PPG player in all ten years. You had to list the acquisition of Kulak and Scandella ffs.
A good trader would acquire talent that improves the team's record -- the Habs got progressively worse as the years went on. Longer losing streaks, longer playoff droughts, fewer point producers.
And Danault is solid but was never a star and will never be a star.
BigDaddyLurch
Have some PRIDE, Eric...
...not downplaying anything; explaining that Bergevin's entire involvement with this deal was to be swayed into saying yes and that's it...as my first post explains...and then I got chirped for posting it while others invented a narrative that it was something it was not...so expect a response...
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Tetragrammaton
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It's going to be a long year
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I have zero faith in him, seems far too injury prone for a young man. My Boy Arber Xhekaj is going to be the future.
BigDaddyLurch
Have some PRIDE, Eric...
...my only worry is that I can see a touch of Chris Simon in him and he might go too far one day on some poor unsuspecting...ah, who am I kidding, I hope he goes full Simon on Brad Marchand the first time they play each other...
