World Cup: 4 Nations Tournament- Team USA (2025)

[ORRFForever]

And that's fine, I heard otherwise (Harley cleared to play for Canada regardless of Makar's availability) but I wasn't sure if I missed another report.

It seems like a lack of outrage for Canada allowing to Harley to continue to play, but not Hughes. If Harley isn't eligible, then I completely understand Hughes not being allowed, unless for injury/illness.

TBH, if he plays, I think it hurts the U.S. more than if they stick with the status quo. Quinn's rusty and you're messing with the team's chemistry, etc., so...

The Americans can do what they want.

 

[kaptaink]

unfortunately people have muddled this scenario - and it's not hard
The rules say....
Canada was able to bring Harley in because Theodore got injured and Makar was sick, so they were down to five [defensemen]. In the U.S. circumstance, with Charlie going down, they still have their six ‘D

Hughes can only play if an existing D man goes down to injury of illness

 

[Nikki Potnick]

Yea exactly, Harley was added to the roster because Canada was down to 5 D. Quinn could be added to the US roster if they only have 5 D available. The US has been consistent in saying all 6 D are available. Until the US says otherwise, Quinn is not eligible. They’ve been very consistent on this. The same rules apply for both countries.

I don't think you're getting it.

Orginially Harley was added, but couldn't even practice with Canada unless Makar was injured/illness. That ended up being the case and he played. Now, Makar is healthy, but Harley is STILL allowed to play. How is that fair at all? Canada added an extra D regardless of current injury/illness. Canada has 7 D they can play, USA only 6.

unfortunately people have muddled this scenario - and it's not hard
The rules say....
Canada was able to bring Harley in because Theodore got injured and Makar was sick, so they were down to five [defensemen]. In the U.S. circumstance, with Charlie going down, they still have their six ‘D

Hughes can only play if an existing D man goes down to injury of illness

Source to what you're saying.

Here's a source saying you're wrong.

Harley cleared to play for Canada regardless of Makar's availability

Thomas Harley's spot on Canada's 4 Nations Face-Off roster is secured after a standout showing in his debut on Saturday.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

I don't think you're getting it.

Orginially Harley was added, but couldn't even practice with Canada unless Makar was injured/illness. That ended up being the case and he played. Now, Makar is healthy, but Harley is STILL allowed to play. How is that fair at all? Canada added an extra D regardless of current injury/illness. Canada has 7 D they can play, USA only 6.

He wasn’t added, he couldn’t even practice with the team until they declared Makar out. Quinn can practice in Boston all he wants, just not with the team. Again, they have been very consistent on this.

 

[Nikki Potnick]

He wasn’t added, he couldn’t even practice with the team until they declared Makar out. Quinn can practice in Boston all he wants, just not with the team. Again, they have been very consistent on this.

You're lost, you don't know what the conversation is about, or you're just intentionally being obtuse.

 

[William H Bonney]

Yea exactly, Harley was added to the roster because Canada was down to 5 D. Quinn could be added to the US roster if they only have 5 D available. The US has been consistent in saying all 6 D are available. Until the US says otherwise, Quinn is not eligible. They’ve been very consistent on this. The same rules apply for both countries.

You're focusing on the wrong point. The point people are making is that right now, Canada has 20 eligible skaters that they can use to make their lineup whereas the US only has 19 eligible skaters to use even though both teams lost 1 player for the tournament.

They're pointing out the stupidity in the rules that because Canada's injury happened when they had enough time in between games, and because the NHL gave them an exception for Harley to travel to Montreal instead of Boston, they get to have an extra player on their roster than the US.

The rules barely exist and they're being applied stupidly. It's just the NHL being dumb as always.

 

[Nikki Potnick]

You're focusing on the wrong point. The point people are making is that right now, Canada has 20 eligible skaters that they can use to make their lineup whereas the US only has 19 eligible skaters to use even though both teams lost 1 player for the tournament.

They're pointing out the stupidity in the rules that because Canada's injury happened when they had enough time in between games, and because the NHL gave them an exception for Harley to travel to Montreal instead of Boston, they get to have an extra player on their roster than the US.

The rules barely exist and they're being applied stupidly. It's just the NHL being dumb as always.

Exactly, as I said, if Harley isn't eligible until an injury/illness, then I'm fine with the decision and it applies to Hughes as well. However, from all that I've seen reported, that's not the case, the rules are being applied differently for Canada/USA, which is bs.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Gary should just realize that it’s way better for drama/product/entertainment/clicks to have Quinn play and make a call in about 3 hours here.

Casual eyeballs don’t give a flying f*** about the minute rules of a made up in season tourney. Just get the best players on the ice.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

You're focusing on the wrong point. The point people are making is that right now, Canada has 20 eligible skaters that they can use to make their lineup whereas the US only has 19 eligible skaters to use even though both teams lost 1 player for the tournament.

They're pointing out the stupidity in the rules that because Canada's injury happened when they had enough time in between games, and because the NHL gave them an exception for Harley to travel to Montreal instead of Boston, they get to have an extra player on their roster than the US.

The rules barely exist and they're being applied stupidly. It's just the NHL being dumb as always.

Again, you and the other guy are completely missing the application of the rules. If Hanifin and McAvoy had been hurt against Canada and Quinn was healthy, Quinn could’ve been added to the roster. If Hanifin had become healthy by the Sweden game he could rejoin the lineup but the US would have to sit a D.

Just like Canada/Harley

 

[ORRFForever]

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8/10

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[Hazy Little Thing]

Exactly, as I said, if Harley isn't eligible until an injury/illness, then I'm fine with the decision and it applies to Hughes as well. However, from all that I've seen reported, that's not the case, the rules are being applied differently for Canada/USA, which is bs.

Harley can’t play unless they scratch someone. Canada would be dressing too many skaters. This is basic math.

 

[Nikki Potnick]

Harley can’t play unless they scratch someone. Canada would be dressing too many skaters. This is basic math.

Harley cleared to play for Canada regardless of Makar's availability

Thomas Harley's spot on Canada's 4 Nations Face-Off roster is secured after a standout showing in his debut on Saturday.

www.sportsnet.ca

But this says you're wrong. Basic reading.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Harley cleared to play for Canada regardless of Makar's availability

Thomas Harley's spot on Canada's 4 Nations Face-Off roster is secured after a standout showing in his debut on Saturday.

www.sportsnet.ca

But this says you're wrong. Basic reading.

Cleared to play, if Canada scratches someone. Just stop. A team can’t play with too many players, that’s a basic rule.

Are you getting too hung up on the Makar part?

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Harley can’t play unless they scratch someone. Canada would be dressing too many skaters. This is basic math.

I guess the question would be can Canada only have Harley play if they scratch a D-Man or could they (for some unknown reason) run an 11-7 lineup?

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

I guess the question would be can Canada only have Harley play if they scratch a D-Man or could they (for some unknown reason) run an 11-7 lineup?

Reporting has been it has to be D for D and F for F.

I don’t particularly like it but that’s what the NHLPA agreed to.

 

[William H Bonney]

Again, you and the other guy are completely missing the application of the rules. If Hanifin and McAvoy had been hurt against Canada and Quinn was healthy, Quinn could’ve been added to the roster. If Hanifin had become healthy by the Sweden game he could rejoin the lineup but the US would have to sit a D.

Just like Canada/Harley

You're still wrong. The US was down to 11 forwards against Sweden despite dressing all available players. The rules do not state that when a team has less than the minimum skaters necessary to ice a full lineup that the injury replacement must be the same skater position.

The US should have been able to add to their roster because they were shorthanded against Sweden and McAvoy is out for the tournament. But the NHL is choosing to base their ruling on arbitrary timing and not whether a team has the same eligible roster players as the other teams.

It's why folks keep telling you that if Harley was no longer eligible to dress when Makar returned, no one would be saying anything. You're just densely confusing the point because you don't have a valid counterpoint to what people are saying.

Reporting has been it has to be D for D and F for F.

I don’t particularly like it but that’s what the NHLPA agreed to.

That reporting has not been consistent, no.

I guess the question would be can Canada only have Harley play if they scratch a D-Man or could they (for some unknown reason) run an 11-7 lineup?

They can run an 11-7 lineup if they want. They have 20 eligible players to dress. The US only gets 19.

 

[RandV]

I don't think you're getting it.

Orginially Harley was added, but couldn't even practice with Canada unless Makar was injured/illness. That ended up being the case and he played. Now, Makar is healthy, but Harley is STILL allowed to play. How is that fair at all? Canada added an extra D regardless of current injury/illness. Canada has 7 D they can play, USA only 6.


Source to what you're saying.

Here's a source saying you're wrong.

Harley cleared to play for Canada regardless of Makar's availability

Thomas Harley's spot on Canada's 4 Nations Face-Off roster is secured after a standout showing in his debut on Saturday.

www.sportsnet.ca

To me this sounds like an NHLPA aspect of the rules, considering it's a short and limited tournament to not have extra guys sitting in the press box vs having a two week vacation. The rules allow a guy to be added in case of emergency, and if such an event happens there's no reason to send the guy home after. Having Harley as the 19th (?) skater for the final game sitting in the press box doesn't actually give Canada any advantage.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

You're still wrong. The US was down to 11 forwards against Sweden despite dressing all available players. The rules do not state that when a team has less than the minimum skaters necessary to ice a full lineup that the injury replacement must be the same skater position.

The US should have been able to add to their roster because they were shorthanded against Sweden and McAvoy is out for the tournament. But the NHL is choosing to base their ruling on arbitrary timing and not whether a team has the same eligible roster players as the other teams.

It's why folks keep telling you that if Harley was no longer eligible to dress when Makar returned, no one would be saying anything. You're just densely confusing the point because you don't have a valid counterpoint to what people are saying.



That reporting has not been consistent, no.



They can run an 11-7 lineup if they want. They have 20 eligible players to dress. The US only gets 19.

The US could’ve chosen to add someone for the Sweden game but decided against it whether because it was a meaningless game, timing, or logistics.

 

[Korpse]

Exactly, as I said, if Harley isn't eligible until an injury/illness, then I'm fine with the decision and it applies to Hughes as well. However, from all that I've seen reported, that's not the case, the rules are being applied differently for Canada/USA, which is bs.

The rules may be unclear and ill conceived but they are not being applied differently. The parallel here is when Shea Theodore got injured in game 1 and Canada was not able to replace him, like the US isn’t able to replace McAvoy. It wasn’t until Makar was ruled out for the USA game and Canada was down to 5 D was Harley added to the roster. Once named to the roster he remains there. This scenario hasn’t happened to USA.

 

[AmericanDream]

My same exact thoughts. Matthew is reaching legendary heel status, get to tell my grandkids I was alive for this one day

 

[William H Bonney]

The US could’ve chosen to add someone for the Sweden game but decided against it whether because it was a meaningless game, timing, or logistics.

No, it's because they didn't have enough time. Which is again what people keep pointing out to you on why the rules are dumb.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

No, it's because they didn't have enough time. Which is again what people keep pointing out to you on why the rules are dumb.

Re-read my post, timing was listed

 

[AmericanDream]

Someone please take this dudes phone away...

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

Someone please take this dudes phone away...

Take Fronk’s phone away?

 

[Ratsreign]

The small roster sizes probably have something to do with players not being interested in being involved and most likely be a scratch the whole tourney.

US should have someone available to them as 7th D. As soon as Macavoy was ruled out, he should be able to be replaced. Even if he can only play in an emergency situation. What if a D man gets hurt at the game day morning skate?