GDT: 4-Nations Games

[BigRig4]

And we should seriously consider it.

Tkachuk family is absolutely ruthless in negotiations and could very well pressure Brady to request a trade once he gets his NMC.

Don't think he'd do so immediately after gaining the clause but if we take a step back next year, could easily see it happening, at which point we'd have a lot less leverage and ability to garner a fair trade return than we would prior to this summer.

If some asset rich team is willing to offer a king's ransom for Brady before July 1st, Staios has to at least consider it.

Our GM needs to play hardball and tell him “if you want to request a trade you need to do it before your NMC kicks in, or we’re not moving you.” That being said, obviously this is hypothetical until it actually happens.

 

[Relapsing]

If we do it before the summer we can trade him literally anywhere.


Couldn't give a shit if he wants to play with his brother.

Amen, brother.

Who are people cheering for, players, or the team?

If it's the team, maximize the return.

If it's for the players, they can follow them when they're traded for all I care.

 

[Senscore]

And we should seriously consider it.

Tkachuk family is absolutely ruthless in negotiations and could very well pressure Brady to request a trade once he gets his NMC.

Don't think he'd do so immediately after gaining the clause but if we take a step back next year, could easily see it happening, at which point we'd have a lot less leverage and ability to garner a fair trade return than we would prior to this summer.

If some asset rich team is willing to offer a king's ransom for Brady before July 1st, Staios has to at least consider it.

And at the end of the day, if we want to be Tampa Bay or Vegas, then we have to *be like* them.


Think Tampa regrets cutting ties to their long time captain who helped them win multiple Cups?

 

[Relapsing]

And at the end of the day, if we want to be Tampa Bay or Vegas, then we have to *be like* them.


Think Tampa regrets cutting ties to their long time captain who helped them win multiple Cups?

Well said. I'm over the usual narrative of us needing to coddle players to help attract UFAs and get off people's NTC/NMCs.

With cap projections rising in the near future, we can afford to overpay UFAs, and building a winning org negates a lot of the NTC/MNC issues.

Be ruthless. Maximize value. Play hardball.

I want the Ottawa Senators to rise to the top of the league and have a legit shot at winning it all. I don't care who plays on the team to get that done.

 

[bicboi64]

And at the end of the day, if we want to be Tampa Bay or Vegas, then we have to *be like* them.

Think Tampa regrets cutting ties to their long time captain who helped them win multiple Cups?

Pretty much this. There isn't a single player on the roster who's had success with Ottawa because we've been ass for so long. We can't be glued to any of them; none are more important than the crest. None of them are special pieces that can't be moved if the return isn't right.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

And we should seriously consider it.

Tkachuk family is absolutely ruthless in negotiations and could very well pressure Brady to request a trade once he gets his NMC.

Don't think he'd do so immediately after gaining the clause but if we take a step back next year, could easily see it happening, at which point we'd have a lot less leverage and ability to garner a fair trade return than we would prior to this summer.

If some asset rich team is willing to offer a king's ransom for Brady before July 1st, Staios has to at least consider it.

If we don't do damage this year in the playoffs, let alone don't make the playoffs, I think the situation will basically become keep me if you want, but I am not happy here so if you want to trade me go ahead.

Even know he doesn't have trade protection yet, he almost certainly will end up somewhere he wants to be. The price is going to be so high that a team like Columbus isn't going to risk giving up those assets and end up having to trade Brady in two season for a JT Miller-like return because of his NMC. Whoever trades for him is going to want to feel like they have a shot of extending him in 2 years when he is eligible.

If he stays beyond the NMC kicking in, the way I see it working out is that if we aren't in a playoff spot, we'll start to hear noise around January that he wants out. Then we move him at the 2026 deadline or draft, and while we will get more than Vancouver got for JT Miller because Tkachuk is younger, it will not look great.

I think Tkachuk leaving is inevitable. It's just whether he leaves within the year, or whether we build around him for a 4 playoff run window. I don't think the 4 Nations did us any favours. Because it's a lot easier for a player like him to stay and continue to miss the playoffs when he has never personally been a part of or felt what he has missed for a good chunk of his prime. He's about to play in a game equivalent to game 7 of the cup final. I don't know how he can do that, feel what it's like, and stay in Ottawa for another 3 years after this season unless we go on a 2017 type run and it gives him confidence that we can do something with this group.

They made major strides this year and have been one of the best teams in the league the last 30 or so games - but it might be too little too late.

 

[Cosmix]

Our GM needs to play hardball and tell him “if you want to request a trade you need to do it before your NMC kicks in, or we’re not moving you.” That being said, obviously this is hypothetical until it actually happens.

Our GM can say that, but it does not change the situation that would be faced then and now.

Perhaps this is a good time to contact other teams including NYR, Florida, L.A., Vegas, etc. to see what might be possible. Hopefully Staios and Andlauer can see the light!

 

[Senscore]

Just to keep going, remember how gut wrenching it was to trade Karlsson, a player who cried during the post trade media scrum and called Ottawa his "forever home"?

I love Erik Karlsson for how he embraced the city and for what he accomplished during his time here.


But God damn that turned out to be an incredible trade, and by a complete idiot GM too.

These moves can work out.

Brady is literally one of the NHL spotlight darlings right now. And in trade terms is probably coveted more than he actually provides in value.

 

[Cosmix]

What could we reasonably ask for from Florida, NYR, L.A., Vegas, etc.?

NYR: Lafrenniere + NYR 1st round pick in 2025?

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Our GM needs to play hardball and tell him “if you want to request a trade you need to do it before your NMC kicks in, or we’re not moving you.” That being said, obviously this is hypothetical until it actually happens.

It also simply won't work: if the captain and star player requests a trade, they are getting it.

 

[bicboi64]

BTkachuk, AM34, Kyle Connor, etc., American stars on Canadian teams are probably making good use of their media training to not voice support for any politician that is unpopular in Canada (unlike certain tone-deaf idiots like MTkachuk). Having said that, these are rich upper class dudes with not the most education. They're interests are not the same as the thousands of people who pay to see them. This goes for players on Team Canada too.

The least anyone can do is say "no comment" when asked about the anthem instead of bitching about how disrespectful it is to exercise free speech when it conveniently hurts their feefees.

 

[aragorn]

I doubt we see any fireworks in Boston tomorrow night, the US did what they had to to to defuse the situation & stand up for their anthem in Montreal where it was being booed, there is no reason to do it in Boston. I think they will play to win as Team Canada will & given the injuries both teams will be careful not to lose anyone in a fight. Should be a good game & hopefully Bennington will rise to the occasion.

 

[jbeck5]

It also simply won't work: if the captain and star player requests a trade, they are getting it.

Like Yashin?

You could also just tell him to report and if not, you'll suspend him and take him to court, where precedence has been set that the athlete would have to fulfil the contract before he can be freed from it, at least within the NHL and it's partners(other leagues/partnerships)

 

[DackellDuck]

Like Yashin?

You could also just tell him to report and if not, you'll suspend him and take him to court, where precedence has been set that the athlete would have to fulfil the contract before he can be freed from it, at least within the NHL and it's partners(other leagues/partnerships)

If he asks for a trade on July 2nd, you say no and he can go play in his country’s new top ally - Russia.

The reality of the situation is Staios and Andlauer have to be hard ass and practical about it as soon as the season ends.

You go to Brady and tell him that you’re committed to him, but if he’s not committed to you, say so now. Because if it gets past July 2nd, the next 3 years are either in Ottawa or sitting at home.

And if it gets to that, management would have full support of the fanbase, considering everything else that’s going on.

 

[bicboi64]

If he asks for a trade on July 2nd, you say no and he can go play in his country’s new top ally - Russia.

The reality of the situation is Staios and Andlauer have to be hard ass and practical about it.

You go to Brady and tell him that you’re committed to him, but if he’s not committed to you, say so now. Because if it gets past July 2nd, the next 3 years are either in Ottawa or sitting at home.

And if it gets to that, management would have full support of the fanbase, considering everything else that’s going on.

As much as I want GMSS to be a hardass, we can't afford to have any player sitting even if they don't want to be here. We're so asset-depleted we need to move anyone who doesn't want to be here and focus on getting a return that helps us.

 

[DackellDuck]

As much as I want GMSS to be a hardass, we can't afford to have any player sitting even if they don't want to be here. We're so asset-depleted we need to move anyone who doesn't want to be here and focus on getting a return that helps us.

If his NMC kicks in and he tries to pick his destination, you’re getting pennies on the dollar. So you won’t get a return that helps you. Might as well let him sit out.

That’s why I said go to him and make him give you a straight answer after the season. It may not be what you want to hear, but you have to do it. If he wants out, trade him at the draft. That’s when you can get 6-7 teams involved and get a very good return.

After that? Sorry. You’re here Brady. We’re not sending you to Florida for Evan Rodrigues and a late 1st.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Just to keep going, remember how gut wrenching it was to trade Karlsson, a player who cried during the post trade media scrum and called Ottawa his "forever home"?

I love Erik Karlsson for how he embraced the city and for what he accomplished during his time here.


But God damn that turned out to be an incredible trade, and by a complete idiot GM too.

These moves can work out.

Brady is literally one of the NHL spotlight darlings right now. And in trade terms is probably coveted more than he actually provides in value.

That’s true but so many improbable things had to happen to make that trade what it was.

San Jose had to finish bottom 3 a year after being a Cup favourite and we got a promising goalie with the 71st overall pick. That isn't something anybody, including Dorion, anticipated. With how lacklustre our drafting is and hatred of skill, I'm not too excited about receiving draft picks at this point.

 

[DackellDuck]

What could we reasonably ask for from Florida, NYR, L.A., Vegas, etc.?

NYR: Lafrenniere + NYR 1st round pick in 2025?

I think if there was a bidding war during the draft, the return would be massive.

It'll always be understated on this site where you have a large proportion of people who are certain that if it wasn't for coaches players like Erik Brannstrom would be winning Norris' and anyone over 6'2 is a no skill grinder, but in the real NHL, Brady Tkachuk would have incredible value.

I mean, look at what Matthew Tkachuk returned:

Jonathan Huberdeau coming off a 115 point season
Mackenzie Weegar coming off a 44 point season where he played over 23 minutes per game
A 1st round pick

Obviously Huberdeau has taken a step back, but you have to look at his value at the time.

Now, you could say that Matthew is a better player than Brady, and you wouldn't be wrong. But there are advantages that Brady has over his brother: he's cost controlled in a rising cap league for the next 3 seasons, he's bigger and more physical, he's a captain and more of a "face of the team" type of guy. Plus, thanks to this tournament, his profile is huge right now.

Now, I have no interest in trading him. But if he asks out after the season, we'd get a huge return.

Take the NYR as an example. With how people are talking about Brady now (especially non-hockey media), if he goes to NY, I think he'd vault right up next to Judge and Brunson in terms of being the toast of the town. He'd completely revitalize their brand and get them on TNT every Saturday. He'd be an American Messier.

How much would James Dolan trade for that? A lot. Much more than HFBoards Ranger fans would be comfortable with.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I don't know, he very well may not be; but it is safe assumption that he is considering his background.

Either way, I don't care: I watch him play hockey. He could say "I love Trusk" and I'd still be super pumped when he scores for Ottawa.

Unless he comes out and says something nefarious there's really no reason to care. Hockey players are white millionaires who grew up with upper-class upbringings and focused on hockey for their entire lives. You don't need to do much analysis to figure out where that demographic usually stands politically with the statistics that are out there.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[bicboi64]

Huge benefit that QHughes isn't suiting up. Even a 50% healthy Hughes is good enough to be a gamechanger for USA the way he's been playing this season.

 

[DackellDuck]

Just a bizarre sequence of events. The guys hasn't been medically cleared by the Canucks and Mike Sullivan says he's en route to Boston at a press conference...

 

[armani]

Huge benefit that QHughes isn't suiting up. Even a 50% healthy Hughes is good enough to be a gamechanger for USA the way he's been playing this season.

Yep. It also means Sanderson may actually play. This would be huge for his confidence (and motivation to win the Stanley Cup after losing to the good ol’ Canadians).

Wonder if Sullivan was playing mind games before the finals?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Just a bizarre sequence of events. The guys hasn't been medically cleared by the Canucks and Mike Sullivan says he's en route to Boston at a press conference...

It is weird. Harley was brought in and played when Canada had only 5 D ready to play but he could not replace anyone when they got back to 6 .. I wonder if its a similar case with Hughes IE if the US had 6 ready to play, Hughes could not. I haven't heard that but it kind of makes some sense even though he was originally named to the team, he was replaced.

Canucks' Quinn Hughes won't be joining Team USA for 4 Nations Face-Off final

It appears Quinn Hughes won't be heading to Boston after all. The Vancouver Canucks captain won't be joining Team USA ahead of Thursday's 4 Nations Face-Off final versus Canada, Sportsnet can confirm.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Back in Black]

I wanna be sedated

I bet most won't get that...