4 Nations Face Off - Feb 12-20

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some of you guys just say stuff

weird behavior
Speak for yourself. I never veer off topic and post things to be silly. My messages cut to the quick like a master surgeon with a finely edged scalpel. My musings bear no resemblance to Jack the Ripper with a rusty carving knife.
 
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I'm kind of shocked people are saying bizarre things on here about "why USA lost" as if the USA did not just go toe-to-toe against a team with Connor McDavid, Nate MacKinnon, Sidney Crosby and Cale Maker on it and only barely lose in an overtime where the opposing goaltender made multiple highlight reel saves.

But from the standpoint of a guy who has scouted hockey for years, I'll give it a shot.

1) Cooper out-coached Sullivan: Sullivan's decision to scratch an elite Kyle Connor for Chris Kreider was downright baffling. His constant line switching on a team where players lacked familiarity in the first-place was incorrigible. Predictably, the USA played a hot-and-cold game with little flow. At the end of the game, USA was trapped with a struggling defense pairing against the McDavid line because, despite the home ice advantage, Cooper kept out-maneuvering Sullivan on the match-ups.

2) The Fox/Hanifin pairing was absolutely caved in: On the ice for two of the three Canada goals including the winner, this pairing was defensively liable all tourney long and also contributed next to nothing offensively. On the winning goal Hanifin was in position but Fox or Matthews should have been on a wide-open McDavid in the slot. I'm not going to harp on Matthews because he mostly played a very solid game, Fox did not.

Overall, it was a terrific tourney for the USA. But I also felt the flaws started to show in the Sweden game which, instead of being addressed, were perpetuated -- whereas a better-coached Canada improved all tourney. The brightest light is that USA clearly has the talent to beat any nation on any given night.
Good analysis as always.

I think it should be noted that Hanifan/Fox was caved in part due to the switch that put Faber with Slavin, which took Faber from looking like the biggest chump on our team to looking like a confident defenseman.

I get that the result sucks, but I can't put that one on Sullivan bc it was a case of whackamole without the elder Hughes available.
 
What I didn't get about this breakdown is Hanifan. Why should Fox not protect the house, but instead chase Marner to the corner? That's stupid.

If Hanifan takes the handoff, shouldn't he be netfront then? How do we challenge the guy with the puck then?

I think
A. Good puck movement by Canada
B. Matthews overreacted and should have stayed center on center and let the goalie / netfront D worry about Marner And Hughes rotates down to Marner if he comes up higher.

B for sure - but the fact this play has a name is not uncommon to do says the D should still have a handoff and assignment to follow - maybe not all the way to the corner but at least coverage of some type - nobody did.
 
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Hot take here. If anyone should be coming out for Sanderson at the olympics it’s Slavin. Assuming you have Hughes and Werenski are healthy and there.

Despite the hype that I think is largely stemming from his reputation and that one, block he wasn’t all that great overall in best on best. Still pretty solid defensively but there were times where he struggled to keep up and offensively and in transition he’s not on the same planet as Hughes, Werenski, or Sanderson.

Fox also struggled with the pace. Don’t know if he was banged up or what but some players games aren’t gonna translate nearly as well at this level.
I'm a huge Adam Fox fan -- I'm always lauding the guys I have ranked far over consensus for drafts, and I had Fox as a late 1st/early 2nd pick when everyone else seemed to have him in the 3rd round. I've been backing this kid since he was 16. But something was clearly wrong with him in this series and it's on the coaching for repeatedly sending him back out there to be caved in.

Slavin is another player I've always been a fan of, and I think he had an absolutely tremendous series. I'd say he was the best D on Team USA, and that's saying a lot because Werenski, Faber and (in limited play) Sanderson were all outstanding.

Noah Hanifin was up and down for me. He had some good shifts and good plays, but also some breakdowns and mistakes. I think he's a really good player but his pairing with Fox was certainly the weak link which Cooper seemed to me to be trying to get the McDavid line out there against, especially late in the game.
 
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I'm kind of shocked people are saying bizarre things on here about "why USA lost" as if the USA did not just go toe-to-toe against a team with Connor McDavid, Nate MacKinnon, Sidney Crosby and Cale Maker on it and only barely lose in an overtime where the opposing goaltender made multiple highlight reel saves.

But from the standpoint of a guy who has scouted hockey for years, I'll give it a shot.

1) Cooper out-coached Sullivan: Sullivan's decision to scratch an elite Kyle Connor for Chris Kreider was downright baffling. His constant line switching on a team where players lacked familiarity in the first-place was incorrigible. Predictably, the USA played a hot-and-cold game with little flow. At the end of the game, USA was trapped with a struggling defense pairing against the McDavid line because, despite the home ice advantage, Cooper kept out-maneuvering Sullivan on the match-ups.
I'm completely done with this jerk off. I will never defend him again when Pens fans say that he should be executed by firing range because he's all that's wrong with the world.

I'm about as done with him as I was with Gallant by the time the Rangers had him.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he was a never-was like Gallant. It became pretty apparent that Gallant wasn't really ever a particularly great head coach at the NHL level.

I think Sullivan was, but he's either lost it or he's just became numb being stuck on a dead end Pens team where there's nothing he can do anymore to make them better. I don't think he's definitely gonna be bad forever, but I'm not too scared of the Rangers next year when he's coaching there and I'm starting to think we dodged a bullet if those rumors were true last year where he apparently wished to be released by the Pens to join the Devils. I think that was a bullet dodged, along with not hiring Gallant in 2020, who we definitely were in on. The Sullivan stuff may have just been someone playing insider who took a wild guess that Sullivan was sick of being on a dead end Pens team and wished to be released to join one of the more up and coming NHL teams who had no head coach at the time.

Either way, it's not his fault the Pens are trash, but I don't think he did a bang up job at this tournament, despite Friedman going out of his way on the podcast to say he did a good job and showed he can still be a good head coach lol.
 
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B for sure - but the fact this play has a name is not uncommon to do says the D should still have a handoff and assignment to follow - maybe not all the way to the corner but at least coverage of some type - nobody did.
I hate Fox so I would like to believe it, but I don't see how it is anything other than puck watching Matthews trying to help, and leaving his clear assignment wide open.
 
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I hate Fox so I would like to believe it, but I don't see how it is anything other than puck watching Matthews trying to help, and leaving his clear assignment wide open.
Like I said, they were both at fault on the play. Fox got caught in indecision of whether to play the puck or cover the slot and got caught in no-man's-land. I think Matthews was a bit gassed and was slow on the play. We should also keep in mind that these guys shouldn't have been on the ice -- the icing which led to the face-off was beaten out by Hughes and the ref blew a quick whistle. And Sullivan seemingly had no answer for the fact that Cooper kept getting the McDavid line out whenever the Fox/Hanifin pairing was on the ice despite having last change.

It wasn't the fault of any one thing. The Canadians were a bit better and better coached. They improved throughout the tournament, while the Americans play slipped throughout.
 
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Hot take here. If anyone should be coming out for Sanderson at the olympics it’s Slavin. Assuming you have Hughes and Werenski are healthy and there.

Despite the hype that I think is largely stemming from his reputation and that one, block he wasn’t all that great overall in best on best. Still pretty solid defensively but there were times where he struggled to keep up and offensively and in transition he’s not on the same planet as Hughes, Werenski, or Sanderson.

Fox also struggled with the pace. Don’t know if he was banged up or what but some players games aren’t gonna translate nearly as well at this level.

uh, what? lol Slavin was the best US player in the tournament
 
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I'm completely done with this jerk off. I will never defend him again when Pens fans say that he should be executed by firing range because he's all that's wrong with the world.

I'm about as done with him as I was with Gallant by the time the Rangers had him.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he was a never-was like Gallant. It became pretty apparent that Gallant wasn't really ever a particularly great head coach at the NHL level.

I think Sullivan was, but he's either lost it or he's just became numb being stuck on a dead end Pens team where there's nothing he can do anymore to make them better. I don't think he's definitely gonna be bad forever, but I'm not too scared of the Rangers next year when he's coaching there and I'm starting to think we dodged a bullet if those rumors were true last year where he apparently wished to be released by the Pens to join the Devils. I think that was a bullet dodged, along with not hiring Gallant in 2020, who we definitely were in on. The Sullivan stuff may have just been someone playing insider who took a wild guess that Sullivan was sick of being on a dead end Pens team and wished to be released to join one of the more up and coming NHL teams who had no head coach at the time.

Either way, it's not his fault the Pens are trash, but I don't think he did a bang up job at this tournament, despite Friedman going out of his way on the podcast to say he did a good job and showed he can still be a good head coach lol.
Sullivan made mistake after mistake throughout the tournament. I don't dislike him personally so this isn't a grudge thing. But benching Connor was... insane. The guy is electrifying and is a top-10 Hart Trophy candidate this year.

I think mistakes were made by management as well -- particularly, not taking Tage Thompson or Clayton Keller in lieu of Brock Nelson and Vincent Trocheck. Again, I really like Nelson and Trocheck -- but they're not game breakers, Thompson and Keller are. Starting Hanifin over Sanderson early in the tournament was... not wise.

But all of these mistakes were superceded by benching the NHL leading American goal-scorer on the team in Connor in favor of a very-very-struggling Kreider with the championship on the line. It wasn't as if Connor was ever put in a position to succeed -- he played maybe 3 or 4 shifts on the top 6 with virtually no PP time.

When I was envisioning the lines prior to the tournament, I thought it would be pretty simple to put together three, well-balanced and explosive scoring lines with Matthews centering Connor and Matt Tkachuk, Eichel centering Guentzel and Tage Thompson, and Hughes centering Boldy and Brady Tkachuk. A terrific 4th line could have been assembled for 10-minutes per game with Larkin, Keller and JT Miller. Well, not Sullivan's fault Thompson and Keller weren't invited, but even so you could've replaced Thompson with Miller and plugged in Nelson and Trocheck on that 4th line and still been fine.

Instead, Sullivan panicked a bit and eschewed any line structure with a rotating carousel of players. After Matt Tkachuk was forced out of the final game (which he by all means should have been scratched for, apparently), Sullivan seemed to just be throwing guys over the boards. Were Kyle Connor in the lineup, you could've just plugged him into that top line role and rolled three lines while mostly benching Kreider and Nelson, who both really struggled immensely in that final. But every USA roster mistake seemed to come back and bite them in a tournament where every team was an all-star team playing their hearts out. There's just no margin whatsoever for error.

Hockey is not math, it's a very Zen sport. The players need some familiarity. How many slick feeds by Hughes were botched by line mates who couldn't believe the puck was on their stick when Hughes got it to them in the first three games alone? 12? 15? They could have at least thought to pair Hughes with Boldy, who had played with Hughes extensively at the US-NTDP, but Sullivan decided Boldy was only a LW (he's played both wings in Minnesota) and Hughes was a LW (um, he's a natural center) and so they saw no time together.

I'm not complaining -- that's not my style -- I'm just saying certain things need to be fixed for the Olympics next year if the USA is to be victorious. Sullivan should not be head coach. Tortorella should not be anywhere near that Team USA bench. Their inability (apparently Tortorella was in charge of defensive changes) to get a struggling Fox/Hanifin pairing away from the McDavid line late in the game was very, very costly. Cooper pretty much dogged them -- 1) put out a lower line against Fox/Hanifin with a face-off ace, 2) win the draw, 3) get it deep with Fox and Hanifin chasing, 4) switch on the McDavid line, 5) repeat.

Anyway, that's all for my 4 Nations commentary. It was an outstanding tournament, and I really enjoyed it. Kudos to Canada for winning big. Also kudos to Finland for a heroic win vs. Sweden and kudos to Sweden for playing their hearts out with nothing on the line vs. USA. I hope we see it again, and I hope the USA learns and continues to improve and establish themselves as a perennial hockey power.
 
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