GDT: #4 - 10/11/18 | sharks @ RANGERS | 7:00 - MSG

[Crease]

Haven't really thought about it.

What does that have to do with the idea that we can't ice more than one?

Whether it's Quinn or management, I think it's pretty clear that Shattenkirk and ADA are competing with each other. I think it's also pretty clear that Staal has to be convicted of murder to sit.

I'm going to disagree with the bolded for now.

If management is trying to get more out of ADA and Shattenkirk, it would be a bad idea to send the message that all they have to do to stay in the lineup is outperform Staal.

 

[Off Sides]

The A stands for AHL

He has a clause Against

I think the Rangers kind of tied their own hands already.

 

[aufheben]

Nashville has like eight of them and it's working out pretty well.

Eight, or two?

 

[Machinehead]

I'm going to disagree with the bolded for now.

If management is trying to get more out of ADA and Shattenkirk, it would be a bad idea to send the message that all they have to do to stay in the lineup is outperform Staal.

To me, again, you play your six best.

Staal isn't in our ten best.

He has a clause Against

I think the Rangers kind of tied their own hands already.

Excuses.

 

[aufheben]

I can name plenty of teams playing more than one.

I go back to the idea that we had to choose between Stralman and Boyle (same management) because both move the puck well and Girardi needs to be in to do defense things. And then we had to have Yandle on the third pair because McDonagh puts up points and Staal has to do the defense things.

You don't make the OFD compete with the OFD and the DFD compete with the DFD. You play your six best.

Stralman, who had 13 points that season, is now part of this conversation?

 

[Blue Blooded]

Eight, or two?

Right, excuse my hyperbole, they only have 4.5 of which 3.5 are in their top-4:
Josi, Subban, Ellis, Y. Weber, (Ekholm)

 

[Machinehead]

Stralman, who had 13 points that season, is now part of this conversation?

Fair enough.

I just don't see the Rangers ever putting both Shattenkirk and ADA in the top 4 even though they both should be because they're seen as similar.

It's ok to be redundant if you're a defensive player or outright useless, but not if you're an offensive player. And it's not just the Rangers, it's still a thing around the league, (that idiot in Philly keeps benching Gostibehere because they already have Provorov, for example) but I feel like the Rangers do it.

Shattenkirk is scratched and it's immediately about ADA. He said it himself. Why is there competition between them? Why can't they both play big minutes?

 

[haveandare]

So Chytil is now on neither pp unit and getting 4th line duties. We’re benching guys left and right except for staal. KZB line broken up after first two games.

How is this different than what AV would do? We’re supposed to be rebuilding no?

Did you miss the rookie center on the second line?

 

[Crease]

Shattenkirk is scratched and it's immediately about ADA. He said it himself.

Maybe because ADA is the right-handed defenseman coming out of the skybox. I wager that if Shattenkirk ever gets sat after McQuaid gets the night off, Shattenkirk will say that McQuaid deserves another game.

 

[Machinehead]

Maybe because ADA is the right-handed defenseman coming out of the skybox. I wager that if Shattenkirk ever gets sat after McQuaid gets the night off, Shattenkirk will say that McQuaid deserves another game.

Possibly

 

[Off Sides]

Why can't all of Shattenkirk, ADA and Pionk all play RD in the same game? Give them Skjei, Smith and Claesson or move McQuaid over?

I guess I am crazy but I really think that would work way better than whatever they are going to do. If it worked they do not have to extend McQuaid or replace him next off-season. And even if they do not like the idea of 3 smaller RD the trade value of any of them would go up, again if it worked. Plus then they could decide based on opponent which of McQuaid or Claesson to play.

Or I guess they can not do that, ditch one of Pionk or ADA, extend McQuaid or replace him with another McQuaid and pretty much go through the same annual thing of what are they going to do with the RD.

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

With the Browns winless streak ending at 635 days, made me wonder how many days since our last regular season victory.
Our most recent rsv was March 31, so that was 195 days ago!

 

[Unusual Suspect]

So Chytil is now on neither pp unit and getting 4th line duties. We’re benching guys left and right except for staal. KZB line broken up after first two games.

How is this different than what AV would do? We’re supposed to be rebuilding no?

I must be the only one not gulping huge drafts of the Chytil Kool-Aid right now. That's no commentary at all on whether he's highly skilled or talented, or what he may eventually be. But right now, from what I've seen, he spends way too much time standing around in the offensive zone waiting for other guys to get him the puck, and way too much time in the defensive end standing around somewhat near his check without actually covering anyone effectively. And the team is 0-3. So... tough love. Got no problem with that.

 

[NYR Viper]

Why can't all of Shattenkirk, ADA and Pionk all play RD in the same game? Give them Skjei, Smith and Claesson or move McQuaid over?

I guess I am crazy but I really think that would work way better than whatever they are going to do. If it worked they do not have to extend McQuaid or replace him next off-season. And even if they do not like the idea of 3 smaller RD the trade value of any of them would go up, again if it worked. Plus then they could decide based on opponent which of McQuaid or Claesson to play.

Or I guess they can not do that, ditch one of Pionk or ADA, extend McQuaid or replace him with another McQuaid and pretty much go through the same annual thing of what are they going to do with the RD.

I am listening to the Spittin Chiclets podcast with Adam Oates and he is currently discussing how so many players bobble and mishandle the puck and how if there is a D to D pass and then a pass is made in someones feet that is a major mistake. Interesting that we are seeing that pretty regularly with Staal

 

[Tawnos]

I am listening to the Spittin Chiclets podcast with Adam Oates and he is currently discussing how so many players bobble and mishandle the puck and how if there is a D to D pass and then a pass is made in someones feet that is a major mistake. Interesting that we are seeing that pretty regularly with Staal

I've been seeing that pretty regularly with Skjei and Shattenkirk too.

 

[will1066]

Someone is getting their first points of the season in the standings tonight.

 

[LieutenantLackluster]

I must be the only one not gulping huge drafts of the Chytil Kool-Aid right now. That's no commentary at all on whether he's highly skilled or talented, or what he may eventually be. But right now, from what I've seen, he spends way too much time standing around in the offensive zone waiting for other guys to get him the puck, and way too much time in the defensive end standing around somewhat near his check without actually covering anyone effectively. And the team is 0-3. So... tough love. Got no problem with that.

I feel the same. He's an amazing passer but still need a ton of work. I'm also not as high on Buch as other posters.

 

[Leonardo87]

Shatty in the shame box

But the team should respond to this by playing better, unless more of them want to join him.

 

[haveandare]

Haven't liked Shattenkirk's play so far this year, but his attitude about the scratch is admirable. Hope he can get his play going again.

 

[Off Sides]

I am listening to the Spittin Chiclets podcast with Adam Oates and he is currently discussing how so many players bobble and mishandle the puck and how if there is a D to D pass and then a pass is made in someones feet that is a major mistake. Interesting that we are seeing that pretty regularly with Staal

To McQuaid's credit I think he makes some decent passes in/out of his own zone and I do think maybe those go away if he was moved over.

I have only seen Claesson here and there but he seems to like to hang back a bit but he also does not seem to make risky passes.

My rant is more about them moving forward, they have had a need for RD for a long time, not sure I have seen them have 3 natural RDs all play the same game in a long time before this season. I'd love for them to be able to fix that long term or at least take the lack of RD other teams have to their advantage on the trade market.

 

[Levitate]

He had the secondary assist on the ENG against the Preds and the primary assist on Buch’s powerplay goal against Carolina. I’d attribute both goals to Mika and ADA more than Buch, but that’s just me. He’s been fine offensively, but he’s been dog**** on defense. His effort there is what’s been most disappointing for someone that’s supposed to be a leader.

He has always been bad on defense.

He hustles back to backcheck which makes people think he's good on defense but generally his positioning and intensity int he defensive zone isn't very good. This may be something he has to "learn" under the new coaching staff since under AV that was pretty par for course and he expected his forwards to fly the zone at a moments notice rather than engage much

 

[TheTakedown]

Pionk aint playing tonight my dude. For some reason they're playing Claesson without taking Staal out of the lineup.

Ugh didn't see the lineup posted right before that post. Practice lines were SMith-Pionk...

Claesson isn't bad though, he could be our next Hunwick

 

[Leonardo87]

Haven't liked Shattenkirk's play so far this year, but his attitude about the scratch is admirable. Hope he can get his play going again.

Hopefully it sends a message to not just him but everyone else that Quinn is not playing around. It's bold but even with this rebuild, players need to be giving it their all now.

 

[E-Train]

Pionk and Chytil should both be in Hartford playing 20 min a night in all situations.

At some point both could be likely this season.

 

[FJB]

Stop giving out NMCs to defensemen. Staal is worthless.