Value of: 3C to New Jersey

[TBF1972]

Would JUMP at the chance of Backlund. Prob my #1 target, but not sure the pieces work out. Doubt we give up a young D for him and without a first I doubt CGY has something they want for him

they can have the devils 25 1st

 

[canuckslover10]

Both Haula and Palat have NMC's, so there's that. Miller wants to be in NY, please let him go there, full NMC will dictate that. Nemec (who was thrown in the deep end last year) played 60 games last year as an 18- yr old, had 33 pts. Got hurt before the season and lost his spot to the 2 vet D men adds and a wonderful surprise of $750K #7 D man, Johnny Kovacevic (who is playing on a top 5-7 d man squad in the league!). Sil is not above Nemec in top prospect and Casey while good, could not hang on for more than 9 (sheltered) games on the big club. You should probably stop trying to sell us on our players.
Move Miller to NYC and take on Zibanjeds baggage, keep us out of it, our GM is fine doing his thing!

This is why your team never makes it past the 2nd round even though you guys are constantly cup favourites, you guys never make the obvious big move, While palat or Haula have a NMC im sure there is one team they are willing to move to and honestly the cap is not an issue as long as you make the trade close to the TDL.

I'd rather keep Miller at this point his contract is aging well as we are going to see normal top 6 players getting close to 8 million, and Miller RN is a #1 line 100 point centre so that would require a haul.

seriously doubt the devils can make any noise in the playoffs the way their roster is constructed they are built for the regular season.

 

[canuckslover10]

the devils core players around the team is build are:
hischier 26
hughes 23
hughes 21
and hopefully soon:
nemec 20

how you get to a contention window of the next 3-5 years is beyond me. if the gm is keeping cap flexibility (not locking into overpriced long term contracts for declining players) the contention window should be more like 7-10 years.

I was going based off of your goalies, we have seen you guys falter without a goalie, while they are replaceable, besides Markstrom you guys haven't had a solid goalie in a minute, but yea if you were to make that trade it wouldn't effect you cup window it would enhance it, There would be no team in the League with your Center depth and your defensive depth, although tbh the way your roster is constructed id be surprised if you make it past the second round.

 

[Lou Bloom]

This is why your team never makes it past the 2nd round even though you guys are constantly cup favourites, you guys never make the obvious big move, While palat or Haula have a NMC im sure there is one team they are willing to move to and honestly the cap is not an issue as long as you make the trade close to the TDL.

I'd rather keep Miller at this point his contract is aging well as we are going to see normal top 6 players getting close to 8 million, and Miller RN is a #1 line 100 point centre so that would require a haul.

seriously doubt the devils can make any noise in the playoffs the way their roster is constructed they are built for the regular season.

Miller doesn't have the value you think he does. Soon to be 32 year old with 5.5 years left at $8M, an NMC and reported locker room issues. If he does get traded you're going to be extremely disappointed in the return.

 

[dgibb10]

This is why your team never makes it past the 2nd round even though you guys are constantly cup favourites, you guys never make the obvious big move, While palat or Haula have a NMC im sure there is one team they are willing to move to and honestly the cap is not an issue as long as you make the trade close to the TDL.

I'd rather keep Miller at this point his contract is aging well as we are going to see normal top 6 players getting close to 8 million, and Miller RN is a #1 line 100 point centre so that would require a haul.

seriously doubt the devils can make any noise in the playoffs the way their roster is constructed they are built for the regular season.

What are you even talking about lmao.

A) the devils have not been cup favourites consistently since the broduer era
B) the devils have been more than willing to make big moves (see, Hamilton, Meier, etc)
C) NJD is one of the most physical teams in the league
D) There are still 5 more years after which the cap matters on millers contract

 

[TBF1972]

I was going based off of your goalies, we have seen you guys falter without a goalie, while they are replaceable, besides Markstrom you guys haven't had a solid goalie in a minute, but yea if you were to make that trade it wouldn't effect you cup window it would enhance it, There would be no team in the League with your Center depth and your defensive depth, although tbh the way your roster is constructed id be surprised if you make it past the second round.

so the devils are unable to get past the second round unless they trade for jt miller and then they become THE contender regardless any other circumstances.

hfboard is sometimes a weird place. last season nemec showed progress beyond expectations when forced into top4 duties. this season he lost his spot in the nhl lineup due to added veteran depth and some health issues. now every fan base tells us how he is disappointing and we should sell low on him to somehow enhance our chances to win a cup asap.

i don't see the rush. look at the oilers, who had a brilliant foundation with mcdavid and draisaitl but tried to force the team into a cup contender with multiple ill advised moves, which capped them out, thined their prospect pool and so far not paid off. i prefer gradual growth and maturation. the defensive depth is already there and with nemec, casey and silayev in the prospect pool they won't be forced to retain aging players on expensive contracts. they hopefully can just reload their depth from the ahl pool.

the devils still need to develop or trade for a future starter in the goal. but with markstrom under contract this and next season they bought some time. the biggest need is a 3c, which wouldn't look completely out of place short term when hischier or hughes are out of the line-up. this player shouldn't cost a fortune against the cap and in assets to acquire. jt miller is simply to rich for the role to be filled.

 

[seabass45]

I'd rather keep Miller at this point

Not sure I believe you!

 

[Smitty426]

This is why your team never makes it past the 2nd round even though you guys are constantly cup favourites, you guys never make the obvious big move, While palat or Haula have a NMC im sure there is one team they are willing to move to and honestly the cap is not an issue as long as you make the trade close to the TDL.

I'd rather keep Miller at this point his contract is aging well as we are going to see normal top 6 players getting close to 8 million, and Miller RN is a #1 line 100 point centre so that would require a haul.

seriously doubt the devils can make any noise in the playoffs the way their roster is constructed they are built for the regular season.

"Constantly" Cup favorites, maybe outside of this area but no true Devs fan ever has thought that since the Marty years. Find me a fan that says that truly.
The big move? Sending Haula out is big?
Big move? That added 2 vet defenders to help the kids (2 of our pairs are top 5-7 in the league), they revamped the net and have competency from there out. They need a bottom 6 C and some deoth scoring. Meanwhile it's babysitting all the tantrums in VanCity. Maybe clean that up before trying to fix a team you only think you know.
Peddle Miller etc elsewhere, thx

 

[canuckslover10]

so the devils are unable to get past the second round unless they trade for jt miller and then they become THE contender regardless any other circumstances.

hfboard is sometimes a weird place. last season nemec showed progress beyond expectations when forced into top4 duties. this season he lost his spot in the nhl lineup due to added veteran depth and some health issues. now every fan base tells us how he is disappointing and we should sell low on him to somehow enhance our chances to win a cup asap.

i don't see the rush. look at the oilers, who had a brilliant foundation with mcdavid and draisaitl but tried to force the team into a cup contender with multiple ill advised moves, which capped them out, thined their prospect pool and so far not paid off. i prefer gradual growth and maturation. the defensive depth is already there and with nemec, casey and silayev in the prospect pool they won't be forced to retain aging players on expensive contracts. they hopefully can just reload their depth from the ahl pool.

the devils still need to develop or trade for a future starter in the goal. but with markstrom under contract this and next season they bought some time. the biggest need is a 3c, which wouldn't look completely out of place short term when hischier or hughes are out of the line-up. this player shouldn't cost a fortune against the cap and in assets to acquire. jt miller is simply to rich for the role to be filled.

The Oilers made the SCF and were one game away from winning it all, I would much rather be them than the devils.

Also I never said its only Miller you need but you guys are clearly missing another star, Mier is good but not a star, the only star on your team have been Markstrom,Hughes, and Hischier. Which is solid but you need One more guy to push you over the edge, right now there is no way you beat the leafs,Tampa,Florida, or the Hurricanes.

The devils talk a big game for a team that has not done much in the last ten years.

"Constantly" Cup favorites, maybe outside of this area but no true Devs fan ever has thought that since the Marty years. Find me a fan that says that truly.
The big move? Sending Haula out is big?
Big move? That added 2 vet defenders to help the kids (2 of our pairs are top 5-7 in the league), they revamped the net and have competency from there out. They need a bottom 6 C and some deoth scoring. Meanwhile it's babysitting all the tantrums in VanCity. Maybe clean that up before trying to fix a team you only think you know.
Peddle Miller etc elsewhere, thx

Lol yo could have been cup favourites if you guys weren't so scared to make a move you have a good foundation but are too afraid to trade the necessary pieces in order to get a star player.

 

[canuckslover10]

Miller doesn't have the value you think he does. Soon to be 32 year old with 5.5 years left at $8M, an NMC and reported locker room issues. If he does get traded you're going to be extremely disappointed in the return.

Timo Mier makes 8.8 million and his highest scoring season with the devils is 52 points, I think Millers value is more than okay, his age is inconsequential at this point cause a lot of NHL players are playing great into their mid 30s and Tavares is a prime example.

regardless if it's not at that price I wouldn't trade Miller and would rather just keep him, we are under no obligation to make a trade.

 

[Smitty426]

The Oilers made the SCF and were one game away from winning it all, I would much rather be them than the devils.

Also I never said its only Miller you need but you guys are clearly missing another star, Mier is good but not a star, the only star on your team have been Markstrom,Hughes, and Hischier. Which is solid but you need One more guy to push you over the edge, right now there is no way you beat the leafs,Tampa,Florida, or the Hurricanes.

The devils talk a big game for a team that has not done much in the last ten years.


Lol yo could have been cup favourites if you guys weren't so scared to make a move you have a good foundation but are too afraid to trade the necessary pieces in order to get a star player.

Which is it, ARE we cup favs or COULD be favs? You're changing up what you said.

If only the Oil had Auston Matthew's picked up at the TDL, theyd win it all!

Devs have one of the deepest teams in the league. They need to add (as i mentioned) depth, not stars. They were also kids that have grown up. Outside a team or two they can play any style of game and be competitive. They beat Fla in back to backs in 2 totally different ways. Carolina was much less a problem then in years passed. Honestly it's the shitty teams we struggle with, the powerhouses are less of a problem. But you'd know that because your busy following them right?

 

[dgibb10]

The Oilers made the SCF and were one game away from winning it all, I would much rather be them than the devils.

Also I never said its only Miller you need but you guys are clearly missing another star, Mier is good but not a star, the only star on your team have been Markstrom,Hughes, and Hischier. Which is solid but you need One more guy to push you over the edge, right now there is no way you beat the leafs,Tampa,Florida, or the Hurricanes.

The devils talk a big game for a team that has not done much in the last ten years.


Lol yo could have been cup favourites if you guys weren't so scared to make a move you have a good foundation but are too afraid to trade the necessary pieces in order to get a star player.

Did Jesper Bratt die or something?

Also, just want to clarify, Markstrom is a star, but NJD is "too scared to trade the pieces for a star"? How did we obtain Markstrom again?

Every post you get more and more deranged

 

[Lou Bloom]

Timo Mier makes 8.8 million and his highest scoring season with the devils is 52 points, I think Millers value is more than okay, his age is inconsequential at this point cause a lot of NHL players are playing great into their mid 30s and Tavares is a prime example.

regardless if it's not at that price I wouldn't trade Miller and would rather just keep him, we are under no obligation to make a trade.

And Meier wouldn't bring back a crazy haul either so I don't see your point.

"Age is inconsequential", lmao, so I must have imagined all those players getting worse in their 30s.

Nobody is saying you have to trade Miller, we're just pointing out that your offer was ridiculously lopsided in the Canucks' favor.

 

[Cancuks]

The guy wants a 3C, so why are we talking about Miller in this thread. NJ isn't taking on an $8 million dollar 3C and giving up the players to do so. Blueger or Suter would be the best the Canucks could offer. A late 2nd rd pick in a weak draft for either of them is probably fair.

 

[Smitty426]

The guy wants a 3C, so why are we talking about Miller in this thread. NJ isn't taking on an $8 million dollar 3C and giving up the players to do so. Blueger or Suter would be the best the Canucks could offer. A late 2nd rd pick in a weak draft for either of them is probably fair.

appreciate the sanity

 

[HBK27]

This is why your team never makes it past the 2nd round even though you guys are constantly cup favourites, you guys never make the obvious big move, While palat or Haula have a NMC im sure there is one team they are willing to move to and honestly the cap is not an issue as long as you make the trade close to the TDL.

I'd rather keep Miller at this point his contract is aging well as we are going to see normal top 6 players getting close to 8 million, and Miller RN is a #1 line 100 point centre so that would require a haul.

seriously doubt the devils can make any noise in the playoffs the way their roster is constructed they are built for the regular season.

The Oilers made the SCF and were one game away from winning it all, I would much rather be them than the devils.

Also I never said its only Miller you need but you guys are clearly missing another star, Mier is good but not a star, the only star on your team have been Markstrom,Hughes, and Hischier. Which is solid but you need One more guy to push you over the edge, right now there is no way you beat the leafs,Tampa,Florida, or the Hurricanes.

The devils talk a big game for a team that has not done much in the last ten years.


Lol yo could have been cup favourites if you guys weren't so scared to make a move you have a good foundation but are too afraid to trade the necessary pieces in order to get a star player.

Can you please clarify - are the Devils a team that are constantly Cup favorites, one that has not done much in the last ten years or one that could have been Cup favorites? You're all over the place here.

While you're at it, can you also clarify how they are "too afraid" to trade the necessary pieces for a star player and yet still somehow managed to acquire Meier and Markstrom over the past 2 years?

Fitz reworked the roster this offseason bringing in a starting goalie, replacing half the defense and adding depth players in Noesen and Cotter. Adding in another high paid, let alone aging, forward wasn't really at the top of the list for an already capped out team. It's the forward depth that needs to be further addressed, which is what this thread is supposed to be about, not your obsession with wanted to dump JT Miller for a haul that's never gonna happen.

 

[mm11]

Nelson shouldn't get a 1st, not with his play this year.

3 years in a row of 30 plus and steps up in the playoffs. Someone will give a 1st plus. Try popping in goals for the anemic nyi at the moment. One month of poor play won't change much. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Smitty426]

Can you please clarify - are the Devils a team that are constantly Cup favorites, one that has not done much in the last ten years or one that could have been Cup favorites? You're all over the place here.

While you're at it, can you also clarify how they are "too afraid" to trade the necessary pieces for a star player and yet still somehow managed to acquire Meier and Markstrom over the past 2 years?

Fitz reworked the roster this offseason bringing in a starting goalie, replacing half the defense and adding depth players in Noesen and Cotter. Adding in another high paid, let alone aging, forward wasn't really at the top of the list for an already capped out team. It's the forward depth that needs to be further addressed, which is what this thread is supposed to be about, not your obsession with wanted to dump JT Miller for a haul that's never gonna happen.

Yeah, for a guy who thinks he knows everything Devs, he knows nothing

 

[McJedi]

Think the habs just re sign him if that’s all they can get unless his contract ask is outrageous. They’ve got plenty of picks and they’re in the mix for a wild card spot

I'd self rental Evans if I ran the Habs. He's good. He won the Habs vs Avs game for his team. Made a huge defensive play that was the only reason the Habs were able to score the tying goal.

He's going to get paid really well this summer. Way more than the Habs fans think.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

The Oilers made the SCF and were one game away from winning it all, I would much rather be them than the devils.

Also I never said its only Miller you need but you guys are clearly missing another star, Mier is good but not a star, the only star on your team have been Markstrom,Hughes, and Hischier. Which is solid but you need One more guy to push you over the edge, right now there is no way you beat the leafs,Tampa,Florida, or the Hurricanes.

The devils talk a big game for a team that has not done much in the last ten years.


Lol yo could have been cup favourites if you guys weren't so scared to make a move you have a good foundation but are too afraid to trade the necessary pieces in order to get a star player.

If there is one thing Canuck fans know, it's how to be successful in the playoffs.

Why should anyone take what you're saying seriously at all when you think you know everything there is to know about the Devils but can't spell Meier correctly?

The fact that you jumped in to a thread about the Devils needing a 3C with peddling JT Miller shows exactly how little you know about the Devils.

 

[crackdown44]

I'd self rental Evans if I ran the Habs. He's good. He won the Habs vs Avs game for his team. Made a huge defensive play that was the only reason the Habs were able to score the tying goal.

He's going to get paid really well this summer. Way more than the Habs fans think.

Yeah but if they’re only getting a 2nd and a meh prospect they might as well just keep him to help ensure their young guys are playing meaningful games down the stretch. They’ve got more than enough draft capital as is

Same goes for Savard and Armia. If teams are only offering 3rds and 4ths just keep them. Maybe you bring them back maybe they walk in the summer but the experience of a potential playoff push is worth more than a couple extra mid round picks when you already have a dozen of them imo

If they stumble between now and the TDL it’ll be a different story though

 

[McJedi]

Yeah but if they’re only getting a 2nd and a meh prospect they might as well just keep him to help ensure their young guys are playing meaningful games down the stretch. They’ve got more than enough draft capital as is

Same goes for Savard and Armia. If teams are only offering 3rds and 4ths just keep them. Maybe you bring them back maybe they walk in the summer but the experience of a potential playoff push is worth more than a couple extra mid round picks when you already have a dozen of them imo

If they stumble between now and the TDL it’ll be a different story though

Armia and Savard are only ever going to bring back 3rd (or possibly a 2nd if the market is seller friendly as it is some years and not others). They just aren't good enough to fetch more.

But Evans... That guy is really good. Habs will be worse on the ice the moment he's not on the roster. He'd be like losing a Danault or Artturi Lehkonen. He's not as good as either of them, but he is cut from the same cloth type of player.

Easily the most value TDL asset the Habs have this season.

Don't be surprised when Jake Evans signs his next contract that looks like this.

6 years $29.4MM (AAV of $4.9MM/per).

 

[Sevendust]

Is Boston willing to eat half of Coyle's contract?

Coyle has one more year on his contract. What would your offer be for him with 50 percent retained?

 

[PelagicJoe]

Detroit is willing to part with Andrew Copp. Make an offer.

 

[swissdude]

I kind of like the idea of aquiring Suter and he would certainly have little problem integrating lol