GDT: #37 | Flyers at Kings | Sunday, December 29, 2024 (TONIGHT) | 9:00 PM Hateful Time | NBCSP, 97.5 FM

[MJL66]

Think it has more to do with Suzuki and Hutson, Caufield is primarily a shooter.
28 goals, 26 PP assists in 241 games. 857 minutes. Mostly on PP1.
Tippett
13 goals, 11 assists, in 192 games. 472 minutes. Mostly on PP2.

Shooters have to score on the PP for playmakers to get assists. Tell me what PP skills does Tippett possess? A strong and accurate one timer from the off wing? Does he move in and out and get open in the bumper and snipe from there? Is he a net front guy who gets tips and pots rebounds? Other than the little curl move up high above the circles that occasionally works. What is his game on the PP?

 

[deadhead]

Signing Tippett to an 8 year deal was a huge mistake by the Flyers. That's a deal that a smart team doesn't make. It's a deal that a team that only cares about marketing makes.

Caulfield put up his first 20+ goal season and has 3 20+ goal seasons and a career high of 28 at 23 years of age. He's on his way this season to a 40 goal season at age 24 and he is younger than Tippett. But Caulfield is close to a finished product and Tippett has more room for improvement? Could you possibly be a bigger homer? Tippett is not raw, he just lacks overall talent. Caulfield has a really good chance to be a regular 35 goal 70 point player while Tippett has virtually zero chance to reach that level.

Caufield also has a real good chance to be out of the league by 30.
He's really small, and can't lose a step. Once he starts getting dinged . . .
While he's faster than average, he's doesn't have elite speed.
Depends on being elusive and a quick release, and he's a mediocre playmaker.

Tippett isn't as good as Caufield, but there's not a huge chasm between them
Tippett is much bigger, much faster and more physical and so far, more durable.
And he's getting paid almost $8M for eight years, which makes $6M for Tippett more than reasonable.

 

[freakydallas13]

Caufield also has a real good chance to be out of the league by 30.
He's really small, and can't lose a step. Once he starts getting dinged . . .
While he's faster than average, he's doesn't have elite speed.
Depends on being elusive and a quick release, and he's a mediocre playmaker.

Tippett isn't as good as Caufield, but there's not a huge chasm between them
Tippett is much bigger, much faster and more physical and so far, more durable.
And he's getting paid almost $8M for eight years, which makes $6M for Tippett more than reasonable.

Yeah, Caufield has a real good chance to be out of the league by 30. But Tippet, the player who relies entirely on his physical tools and possesses almost zero cerebral game? He'll age like a fine wine, surely.

 

[deadhead]

Shooters have to score on the PP for playmakers to get assists. Tell me what PP skills does Tippett possess? A strong and accurate one timer from the off wing? Does he move in and out and get open in the bumper and snipe from there? Is he a net front guy who gets tips and pots rebounds? Other than

He's been on PP2 on a dysfunction PP most of his time here.
Who knows what he can do with good coaching on a real PP.

Yeah, Caufield has a real good chance to be out of the league by 30. But Tippet, the player who relies entirely on his physical tools and possesses almost zero cerebral game? He'll age like a fine wine, surely.

Tippett is so fast he can lose a step and we won't notice it, and he's learning to play more physical and shoot closer to the net. He doesn't have to make major adjustments to be effective into his early 30s, after that, he'll probably be exposed, but his contract will have expired.

 

[Magua]

Caufield also has a real good chance to be out of the league by 30.

Like Zuccarello and Marchessault? The truth is you have no idea, but thanks anyway, Miss Cleo.

 

[MJL66]

He's been on PP2 on a dysfunction PP most of his time here.
Who knows what he can do with good coaching on a real PP.

Tippett is so fast he can lose a step and we won't notice it, and he's learning to play more physical and shoot closer to the net. He doesn't have to make major adjustments to be effective into his early 30s, after that, he'll probably be exposed, but his contract will have expired.

In the last 3 seasons among forwards, only Travis Konecny has more total PP ice time than Tippett has. You don't seem to understand that the players that play on a PP, contribute to a PP's success. A big reason why the Flyers don't have a good PP is because they don't have players who are good on the PP. Seems simple right? Tippett is one of those players who is not very good on the PP. Again, I'll ask you what skill set does Tippett possess that makes you think he can be better on the PP. There aren't many rush plays on a PP.
As far as Tippett losing a step. If he does, that's the ball game. That is 90% of his offense. Being able to beat defenseman with his speed. If he loses that, he's done. He's one dimensional and that's why he is limited offensively. He can't and he won't make major adjustments. He completely lacks hockey sense. Signing him to an 8 year deal was a mistake.

 

[VladDrag]

He's been on PP2 on a dysfunction PP most of his time here.
Who knows what he can do with good coaching on a real PP.

He’s has averaged PP1 time over the last three seasons (seen below).

He’s mostly put on the half wall, but can’t control the puck well enough…hell, half the time he can’t even get the front of his body facing inward to the center of the ice. He’s part of the reason they haven’t had a great PP.

He would be best in the bumper IMO. I would much rather have (in this order) Michkov, Frost, Brink, TK, Foerster, and Couts as halfwall players ahead of Tippett.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Michkov was fined for his highstick/slash on Byfield last night.

 

[deadhead]

Like Zuccarello and Marchessault? The truth is you have no idea, but thanks anyway, Miss Cleo.

Bolth are bigger, what's weirder is both didn't become NHL starters until they were 26.
There's hope for Gendron!

Marshessault is your best comp, Zuccarello is more well rounded as an offensive player, more of a playmaker than goal scorer.

He’s has averaged PP1 time over the last three seasons (seen below).

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He’s mostly put on the half wall, but can’t control the puck well enough…hell, half the time he can’t even get the front of his body facing inward to the center of the ice. He’s part of the reason they haven’t had a great PP.

He would be best in the bumper IMO. I would much rather have (in this order) Michkov, Frost, Brink, TK, Foerster, and Couts as halfwall players ahead of Tippett.

Don't think Couts should be on PP1.
I'd put Tippett or Foerster on the bumper. Until Bonk arrives.

 

[freakydallas13]

He's been on PP2 on a dysfunction PP most of his time here.
Who knows what he can do with good coaching on a real PP.

Tippett is so fast he can lose a step and we won't notice it, and he's learning to play more physical and shoot closer to the net. He doesn't have to make major adjustments to be effective into his early 30s, after that, he'll probably be exposed, but his contract will have expired.

You can write "I'm not worried about a player who relies entirely on physical tools slowing down with age" in as many different ways you want, it's not going to make it sound less crazy.

 

[trostol]

i need this if i continue reading this

 

[FlyerNutter]

I love it. That's the logic that some use. It's hysterical


You said Wade Allison, not Jason Allison, right? When did Wade Allison score 27 goals in an NHL season?

Brother. He didn’t. I’m f***ing around

Tippet is an alright player. I only care about the star power guys after watching the secondary BS for years. Giroux to Michkov. They need a couple more.

 

[MJL66]

Brother. He didn’t. I’m f***ing around

Tippet is an alright player. I only care about the star power guys after watching the secondary BS for years. Giroux to Michkov. They need a couple more.

Need to work on getting sarcasm out or I need to be better. You replied with a simple yes.

 

[VladDrag]

Don't think Couts should be on PP1.
I'd put Tippett or Foerster on the bumper. Until Bonk arrives.

Re Couts, Me either. But I would have him on a halfwall before Tippett.

I would go, Michkov, Frost, Tippett, TK as the first forward group. TK is the net front/behind the net passer, Tip in the bumper, Frost/Michkov on half walls.

 

[zizbuka]

I don't have a problem with Tippet, he seems to be improving. Same with Brink. Foerster's the kind of guy teams need, potentially a better Couts down the road.

Couts is where we need to be concerned. He's the highest paid forward, and we have him for 5 more years after this season. Ouch! Good chance he'll be a major anchor if the team can ever get good. Never should've signed him to that contract.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I don't have a problem with Tippet, he seems to be improving. Same with Brink. Foerster's the kind of guy teams need, potentially a better Couts down the road.

Couts is where we need to be concerned. He's the highest paid forward, and we have him for 5 more years after this season. Ouch! Good chance he'll be a major anchor if the team can ever get good. Never should've signed him to that contract.

He’s headed for a buyout at some point imo.

So weird to name him the C how they went about it last year, and Torts on his ass right after. He’s a good soldier though, keeps his lips shut even when they spit on him.

 

[deadhead]

Both are bigger, what's weirder is both didn't become NHL starters until they were 26.
There's hope for Gendron!

Marshessault is your best comp, Zuccarello is more well rounded as an offensive player, more of a playmaker than goal scorer.


Don't think Couts should be on PP1.
I'd put Tippett or Foerster on the bumper. Until Bonk arrives.

 

[deadhead]

He’s headed for a buyout at some point imo.

So weird to name him the C how they went about it last year, and Torts on his ass right after. He’s a good soldier though, keeps his lips shut even when they spit on him.

I think Couts could have a few good years left at LW, where he can use his size and smarts, and not have to skate as much.
I could see Couts - Jett - Michkov/TK.
Couts would be a security blanket for Jett and could take the tough faceoffs.
Jett's speed could cover for Couts and Michkov.

 

[Curufinwe]

Most everyone thought it was good value when he signed, and figured he had a good chance of being a 1C into his mid 30s like Kopitar. You can't predict multiple back surgeries for a player who had never had back issues before.

 

[TCTC]

Most everyone thought it was good value when he signed, and figured he had a good chance of being a 1C into his mid 30s like Kopitar. You can't predict multiple back surgeries for a player who had never had back issues before.

Only the tank at all costs crowd could've been unhappy with that contract.

 

[freakydallas13]

Most everyone thought it was good value when he signed, and figured he had a good chance of being a 1C into his mid 30s like Kopitar. You can't predict multiple back surgeries for a player who had never had back issues before.

I wished they traded him instead of re-signed him, but the actual contract was fine for what he brought and would presumably bring.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Most everyone thought it was good value when he signed, and figured he had a good chance of being a 1C into his mid 30s like Kopitar. You can't predict multiple back surgeries for a player who had never had back issues before.

He was a physical tank until he wasn't. An outcome that also isn't surprising, given the miles and usage. But it wasn't some terrible gamble IMO. Such is the way of pro sports.

 

[ybnvs]

He would be best in the bumper IMO. I would much rather have (in this order) Michkov, Frost, Brink, TK, Foerster, and Couts as halfwall players ahead of Tippett.

This is why you're not an NHL coach.

Frost is a much better playmaker and can handle the puck more carefully than Tippett, so he should be in the bumper position or net-front because that's obviously where to utilize his talent and skills best.

Tippett, who has yet to develop a brain inside that ugly head of his, is much more suited to play the halfwall, the position which requires quick thinking and accurate passing more often than not.

To not fall in line with Rocky Thompson's decision-making is essentially a direct extension of being insubordinate of the God Emperor Tortorella. Shame on you. Shame, shame.... shame on you!

 

[MJL66]

This is why you're not an NHL coach.

Frost is a much better playmaker and can handle the puck more carefully than Tippett, so he should be in the bumper position or net-front because that's obviously where to utilize his talent and skills best.

Tippett, who has yet to develop a brain inside that ugly head of his, is much more suited to play the halfwall, the position which requires quick thinking and accurate passing more often than not.

To not fall in line with Rocky Thompson's decision-making is essentially a direct extension of being insubordinate of the God Emperor Tortorella. Shame on you. Shame, shame.... shame on you!

The sadness of that is that it really isn't far from reality.

 

[ybnvs]

The sadness of that is that it really isn't far from reality.

Which part wasn't historically accurate?