Prospect Info: #36OA - Hurricanes Select G Pyotr Kochetkov

[My Special Purpose]

Yeah! Last summer in some discussions here i was pretty much putting effort to show statistics that high goalie picks are not more "lottory" than other players...or actually even outside top 3OV or at least top 10OV they seem to be even less lottory opposite to a common thinking of many.

So I do believe there is high change here to have future nhl goalie.

He was taken at 36. Ned was taken at 37.

That one save looks like something Vasilevskiy would pull off.

 

[CandyCanes]

Well if Petr Mrazek walks. Maybe in a few years we can bring back the “Petr, Petr, Petr!” like chants, but replace them with “Pyotr, Pyotr, Pyotr!”. As I believe Pyotr is pronounced “Pee-tor”.

 

[DougieSmash]

Kochetkov, not Kotchetkov.

 

[The Faulker 27]

This might be my favorite pick.

 

[Unsustainable]

I think this pick could be our biggest pick of this draft.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

No, we drafted a 6'6 defensemen later on, Unsustainable.

 

[Lempo]

No, we drafted a 6'6 defensemen later on, Unsustainable.

Tom Dundon so cheap I don't think we can get him signed. Too much money and term.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Kochetkov, not Kotchetkov.

Russian to English transliteration is identical.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

Any idea on the timeline for him coming to NA? Could he be in CLT this year? next year?

 

[DaveG]

Any idea on the timeline for him coming to NA? Could he be in CLT this year? next year?

His contract runs through this season. Could be in Charlotte or on the Canes by seasons end given the timing of the KHL season.

 

[Lucky Lindy]

He'll be with SKA atleast this year, but he only has one year left on his contract. So one can hope.

 

[DougieSmash]

by the way:

Rags have Georgiev and Shestyorkin.
Isles have Sorokin.
Caps have Samsonov.
We draft Kochetkov.

Invasion of soviet goalies in our division . I guess it's time CBJ to lock up Bobrovsky.

 

[CandyCanes]

Any idea on the timeline for him coming to NA? Could he be in CLT this year? next year?

Honestly why bring him to Charlotte? That’s the beauty of drafting a European goalie and I’ve been saying this for a while, that the Canes and more teams in general should take a Euro goalie every year. When you’re drafting only North American goalies you kind of get stuck only being able to develop 2-3 goalies at a time properly, and they’re all fighting for starting time in Charlotte. Now you have drafted a prospect goalie who’s likely going to get to be a starter in the second best league in the world, the KHL. That’s huge for his development. Now you sit comfortably developing Booth & Helvig in Charlotte and Kochetkov gets prime development in the KHL without taking away development time from the boys in Charlotte.

You ideally want to hold onto your goalie prospects for 5-6 years to see what they become. For example Daniel Altshuller basically just got kicked to the curb, at year 4 in his development as there was just no room for him in the ECHL or AHL. If Altshuller was a European goalie he’d still likely have a job playing in Europe somewhere, getting development time, and would still be a Hurricanes prospect. He likely wouldn’t of amounted to anything, but you’d at least get another 2-3 years to see if he breaks out into something special.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Honestly why bring him to Charlotte? That’s the beauty of drafting a European goalie and I’ve been saying this for a while, that the Canes and more teams in general should take a Euro goalie every year. When you’re drafting only North American goalies you kind of get stuck only being able to develop 2-3 goalies at a time properly, and they’re all fighting for starting time in Charlotte. Now you have drafted a prospect goalie who’s likely going to get to be a starter in the second best league in the world, the KHL. That’s huge for his development. Now you sit comfortably developing Booth & Helvig in Charlotte and Kochetkov gets prime development in the KHL without taking away development time from the boys in Charlotte.

You ideally want to hold onto your goalie prospects for 5-6 years to see what they become. For example Daniel Altshuller basically just got kicked to the curb, at year 4 in his development as there was just no room for him in the ECHL or AHL. If Altshuller was a European goalie he’d still likely have a job playing in Europe somewhere, getting development time, and would still be a Hurricanes prospect. He likely wouldn’t of amounted to anything, but you’d at least get another 2-3 years to see if he breaks out into something special.

This is actually a good reason for signing foreign players every year at every position.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Everything I've read suggests that Aho wants a shorter deal, but the Canes want a max term deal and that is part of the holdup in the contract. I doubt they'd go for a bridge deal.

by the way:

Rags have Georgiev and Shestyorkin.
Isles have Sorokin.
Caps have Samsonov.
We draft Kochetkov.

Invasion of soviet goalies in our division . I guess it's time CBJ to lock up Bobrovsky.

Not to be a dick, but Russian, not Soviet. Now that we're actually welcoming them into our organization again, we should not call them Soviets. I think everyone will be glad when that term dies.

 

[CandyCanes]

This is actually a good reason for signing foreign players every year at every position.

Very true.

I also really wonder if any teams think hard about this, or this is my own unique thought. Like if I was a GM I’d look at using my 7th round pick or acquiring an extra 7th every year and throwing a dart on a Euro goalie. Could have like 8-10 goalies at one time developing, having that many goalie darts, one of those guys is bound to break out.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Very true.

I also really wonder if any teams think hard about this, or this is my own unique thought. Like if I was a GM I’d look at using my 7th round pick or acquiring an extra 7th every year and throwing a dart on a Euro goalie. Could have like 8-10 goalies at one time developing, having that many goalie darts, one of those guys is bound to break out.

Yeah, but the problem, is that you don't really know until the guy plays in North America. Look at all the Euro goalies around the prospect pools right now. There's a ton of them, and in most cases, the numbers are stunning. But nobody really knows what "breaking out" means because they all look great. Francouz came over and put up great numbers in the AHL this year, and even he has virtually no trade value because you just don't know about goalies. And ... he's 29 years old. So again, who knows.

And I mentioned in the GDT for the draft that I thought the first round very much looked to me that teams were favoring European players over North American guys, *especially* the ones headed to U.S. Colleges. How else do you explain Seider, Broberg, Podkolzin and Soderstrom going before Boldy and Caufield?

There was another run later in the first where Lassi Thomson, Ville Heinola, Tobias Bjornfot, Simon Holmstrom went before six kids from Canada (including Suzuki).

So yeah, I think the secret is out.

 

[ookhaab]

Seider, Broberg and Soderstrom

Lassi Thomson, Ville Heinola, Tobias Bjornfot,

 

[My Special Purpose]

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I just think that's an oversimplification. The d-men did go at the top of their respective tiers, which I was not expecting, but in terms of reach picks from lower tiers, it was almost always a European player being taken over North American players of similar talent levels.

 

[Lempo]

Yeah, but the problem, is that you don't really know until the guy plays in North America. Look at all the Euro goalies around the prospect pools right now. There's a ton of them, and in most cases, the numbers are stunning. But nobody really knows what "breaking out" means because they all look great. Francouz came over and put up great numbers in the AHL this year, and even he has virtually no trade value because you just don't know about goalies. And ... he's 29 years old. So again, who knows.

And I mentioned in the GDT for the draft that I thought the first round very much looked to me that teams were favoring European players over North American guys, *especially* the ones headed to U.S. Colleges. How else do you explain Seider, Broberg, Podkolzin and Soderstrom going before Boldy and Caufield?

There was another run later in the first where Lassi Thomson, Ville Heinola, Tobias Bjornfot, Simon Holmstrom went before six kids from Canada (including Suzuki).

So yeah, I think the secret is out.

You retain the rights for the European draftees for four year, while the guys drafted from NA junior club for only two years. You'd have to sign the NA guys to ELC before they are even AHL-eligible or they'll re-enter the Draft. The Euro guys meanwhile are AHL-eligible at 18 (unless the overseas club chooses to be really difficult) while being slideable, so that's another bonus. For under-20 CHL-drafted guys it's either NHL or CHL.

The college guys who look to graduate have the enciting UFA option that you'd have to try to bribe them out of using.

It's all about the asset value.

 

[zman77]

Pyotr Kochetkov will be a Star in the NHL.............Awesome pick by the 'Canes!!
February 2019 – 19-year-old Kochetkov, who has been passed over twice in the NHL Draft, has been great this season at the VHL which is the second-best pro level in Russia. In fact, he’s been arguably as good as Daniil Tarasov who was drafted in the third round by Columbus two years ago. On top of that, Kochetkov has really made a name for himself in international tournaments. First, he outplayed Tarasov at the CIBC Canada/Russia Series, and then he did the same thing at the World Juniors where he won the WJC Best Goaltender award after leading the Russian team to bronze medal. Kochetkov is likely one of the first goalies to be taken in the 2019 NHL Entry Draft. He’s quick and agile but also covers a lot of net with his size. There’s definitely potential for him to become a starting goalie in the NHL. Jokke Nevalainen
Pyotr Kochetkov

 

[vorbis]

a decent story in The Hockey News about Kochetkov, with a bit of background on his junior career in Russia and (be still my heart) some actual quotes from the guy.

The long, winding path of Carolina Hurricanes prospect Pyotr Kochetkov - TheHockeyNews

But when he spoke with NHL teams at the draft combine this year, Kochetkov (through a translator) couldn’t help but have some fun with all those talent hawks who couldn’t figure out where he came from.
“When scouts asked me that question I said ‘Maybe you guys were looking in the wrong places or looking poorly,’ ” he said. “But I’ve always been a realist and maybe I wasn’t good enough the previous years. But I never lost hope.”

 

[vorbis]

 

[vorbis]

this one is rather similar to the "save of the tournament" at the world juniors.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

These types of saves are so elite physically and hockey IQ wise. What I like about him vs. a Thomas or Khudobin or Hasek even who would make these crazy out of nowhere saves is at how controlled and aware he is while doing it. He doesn't flop and flail hoping that the shooter will shit the bed or he will somehow miraculously get the knob of his stick or skate blade on the puck to stop it. He reads the situation so well and is like 'OK, the puck is there. I am here. This is the opening. The shooter is going here. This is the best and fastest way to close off that chance'.

Like I'm sure there is *some* level of panic and adrenaline going on but he doesn't show it on the ice. Just smooth, calm, and calculated and as mentioned earlier, for a goalie with a big frame that is very impressive.