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JojoTheWhale said:
I'm not even saying your guess is wrong. I think it's better than 50-50 you're right.

I am saying it's horrendous process. Look at the A to B here. We can't trade Laughton because Couturier isn't ideally a Center. There's no reasonable overlap between those two players. They have Frost, Cates, and Poheling. They've deployed the worst of those (Poehling) up and down the lineup at will. Hell, they could go trade for another guy who happens to be available dirt cheap. But you can't functionally spend multiple high draft picks on 2023/4 Scott Laughton because of this decision tree or you're fundamentally broken as an org. Stepping outside of the box you've trapped yourself in is rather important.
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Not trading Laughton last year doesn't preclude trading him this year.
His value is higher b/c one less year on his deal plus having a career scoring season.

There is a balance, when I look at some rebuilding teams, they're so stripped that good young prospects are floundering b/c they're paired with scrubs. One reason Chicago has 3 1st rd picks and a 2nd rd pick on their AHL team, it's a better development environment than their NHL squad.

You often see young players leave bad teams where they're thrown in over their head and blossom on good teams where they can spend a year or two in a more sheltered role, with veteran linemates/pairs, and develop their game.

Drysdale is a good example, Flyers pair him with Seeler and put him in a 2nd/3rd pair role where he can work through his mistakes without excessive pressure or expectations. May not work, but better environment for him.

We've seen a lot of "dirt cheap" centers over the last decade.
Generally, you get what you pay for. :oops:
 
deadhead said:
Not trading Laughton last year doesn't preclude trading him this year.
His value is higher b/c one less year on his deal plus having a career scoring season.

There is a balance, when I look at some rebuilding teams, they're so stripped that good young prospects are floundering b/c they're paired with scrubs. One reason Chicago has 3 1st rd picks and a 2nd rd pick on their AHL team, it's a better development environment than their NHL squad.

You often see young players leave bad teams where they're thrown in over their head and blossom on good teams where they can spend a year or two in a more sheltered role, with veteran linemates/pairs, and develop their game.

Drysdale is a good example, Flyers pair him with Seeler and put him in a 2nd/3rd pair role where he can work through his mistakes without excessive pressure or expectations. May not work, but better environment for him.

We've seen a lot of "dirt cheap" centers over the last decade.
Generally, you get what you pay for. :oops:
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Seeler has sucked ass. He isn't a safety net. Why are we pretending he is?
 
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deadhead said:
Not trading Laughton last year doesn't preclude trading him this year.
His value is higher b/c one less year on his deal plus having a career scoring season.

There is a balance, when I look at some rebuilding teams, they're so stripped that good young prospects are floundering b/c they're paired with scrubs. One reason Chicago has 3 1st rd picks and a 2nd rd pick on their AHL team, it's a better development environment than their NHL squad.

You often see young players leave bad teams where they're thrown in over their head and blossom on good teams where they can spend a year or two in a more sheltered role, with veteran linemates/pairs, and develop their game.

Drysdale is a good example, Flyers pair him with Seeler and put him in a 2nd/3rd pair role where he can work through his mistakes without excessive pressure or expectations. May not work, but better environment for him.

We've seen a lot of "dirt cheap" centers over the last decade.
Generally, you get what you pay for. :oops:
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So how do I meet your personal criteria of reasonability for the timing of a Laughton trade? They didn’t do it at multiple major inflection points now. There are PR leaks about how it might be easier in the offseason. When is it appropriate to say they waited too long like we both think with Simmonds? Please keep in mind that I view any resulting moves that could have been done with the assets as a time-limited opportunity. I think that’s reasonable, especially when they’ve shown a willingness to incinerate precedence to move draft picks to a future year at no cost.
 
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Boocowski said:
Just the bad ones right? ;)
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They set the values. That sets and influences everything. They don't need to directly order every move to bear responsibility for moves, since they're responsible for the entire staff of the front office and how they think.

That's why firing GMs here and there changes nothing. With the same people running the show following the same values as always, they just hire more of the same. It's why everyone needs to be fired starting up top. A total and full and uncompromising organizational overhaul and completely opposite approach is what they need.
 
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Beef Invictus said:
I maintain that Ellis was a good idea, but that perhaps their physical should have been more thorough then checking vitals
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Nahhh BS.

No way in hell a corpse of Patrick would be moved for Ellis.

That was too good to be true, and the reason was clear early on.
 
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Since when does Couturier not turn and shoot that?????

Can he not physically do it? That was worrying to watch. I swear the shot was wide open
 
Beef Invictus said:
Yeah, Nashville obviously knew. The Flyers didn't care to know, is my bet.

This isn't an era of diligence
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It’s what I mean.

A legit question. The last downright good move they actively went out to make?

Worthwhile FA signing, trade, drafting someone who turned out to be worth an actual damn.

Other than Mich, holy shit I can’t think of one example.
 
FlyerNutter said:
It’s what I mean.

A legit question. The last downright good move they actively went out to make?

Worthwhile FA signing, trade, drafting someone who turned out to be worth an actual damn.
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Move that they made and which was firmly successful?

I'd say Seeler if they'd dealt him at peak value, but they didn't.


Soooooo uhhh. Yeah..Coburn is a good candidate, but probably also the Schenn trade which was a little more recent.
 
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FlyerNutter said:
I’m trying to think of the last good decision they made as an organization.

Coburn to the lightning?
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Not raising prices on STH’s since before COVID. It’s probably coming this year but every year I’m surprised that they don’t f*** that one up.

On ice? It gets a good bit harder because every thing I come up with has a move tied to it that makes the whole thing dumb.
 
Beef Invictus said:
They set the values. That sets and influences everything. They don't need to directly order every move to bear responsibility for moves, since they're responsible for the entire staff of the front office and how they think.

That's why firing GMs here and there changes nothing. With the same people running the show following the same values as always, they just hire more of the same. It's why everyone needs to be fired starting up top. A total and full and uncompromising organizational overhaul and completely opposite approach is what they need.
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Except, no. But you go on believing that.

(but which team is doing that "completely opposite approach" that you want?)
 
deadhead said:
That's the crux of the problem, and it extends to LHV, where Rizzo's surgery, Richard aging out of center left them with Abols, Gardner as their top centers to start the season. Rizzo getting healthy and Gaucher emerging has helped that problem, but none are NHL ready/quality. Abols has stepped up his game recently, someone to watch.
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That holds no water. You do know that Abols is older than Richard, right?
 
Beef Invictus said:
They set the values. That sets and influences everything. They don't need to directly order every move to bear responsibility for moves, since they're responsible for the entire staff of the front office and how they think.

That's why firing GMs here and there changes nothing. With the same people running the show following the same values as always, they just hire more of the same. It's why everyone needs to be fired starting up top. A total and full and uncompromising organizational overhaul and completely opposite approach is what they need.
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Relax. Boocowski ignores facts and cannot counter any argument with facts of his own
Boocowski said:
Except, no. But you go on believing that.

(but which team is doing that "completely opposite approach" that you want?)
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See
 
The Provorov trade was a great move, got a 1st and 2nd for him (rumor is CBJ is now hoping to get a 1st) and got a 2nd, Walker and Grans for taking on Peterson's contract. Then turned Walker into a 1st rd pick by taking Johansen's contract. That's a better return than the Coburn trade. Though getting (2) 2nd rd picks for Kimmo's corpse was highway robbery.

JoJo doesn't understand option theory.

Trading #32 for Edmonton's first meant they bought an option - at worst another #32, at best a pick in the high teen and low 20s. Options have value, Finance 101.

"Time value of money" doesn't apply in the draft, it's more arbitrage across GMs with different discount rates - those in fear of losing their jobs have high discount rates, those who are secure or are rebuilding have low discount rates. So Briere should be looking to accumulate 2026 and 2027 draft picks, GMs with high discount rates will pay more in later picks, while given his stash of 2025 picks, additional 2025 picks have less value on the margin.
 
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