GDT: #35 | Flyers at Penguins | Monday, December 23, 2024 | 7:00 PM | NBCSP, 93.3 FM

[deadhead]

He isn't a 1C. This was always them being the smartest people in the room. I don't doubt for a second that Jett is going to be a serviceable to good NHL player. I'm sure he's going to be a better Laughton. But that's about where it ends. A better Laughton is still a very good hockey player.

Buium or Helenius who is an 18 year old in the AHL averaging half a point and playing great two way hockey was ALWAYS the right decision.

I had Hage higher than most, as well as Boisvert. But i won't malign them for not taking them. Buium and Helenius were always the right decisions.

I'll wait. Not sold on Buium yet, sophomore season looks just like his freshman season, notice two Denver forwards are #1 and #2 in NCAA scoring, so Buium being the leading scoring NCAA D-man isn't as impressive as it looks. Denver inflates scoring, look at Rizzo and Brink putting up elite numbers. Devine is also 7th rd pick doing the same.

Helenius was further advanced, Jett has more upside, again, I'll wait.
Helenius is having a good AHL season for a 18 year old.

Jett made the Canadian team over more hyped and older prospects, he's the third youngest position player on the team. Doesn't guarantee anything, but a good sign.

All three should be top 6/top 4. Whether they turn out to be first line/first pair remains to be seen.
At #12/#13, all are good picks. All three may turn out to be better than Cutter/Drysdale.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I’m just assuming that Torts is deliberately trying to sabotage his point totals. Can’t have that kid winning an award or anything, might get cocky. Or worse yet, steal the narrative. It’s not about protecting the youth, it’s about protecting a dead legacy.

when Torts comes out even before game #1 and says "this isnt going to become the MM show.." it shows all the cards..

what other Org. would get a draftee like MM then tell the fanbase he isnt going to be allowed to be a show stealer..

#sameasiteverwas...

They aren't getting a top pick this year. They are already pretty firmly entrenched around 8-12th OA. NHL standings barely move after Christmas.

yea we will pick like 12-14th as usual drafting yet another nobody who ends up being a nobody..

#darkesttimeline...

 

[Gurglesons]

Saw the Pens broadcast. They had some extended time talking to Dubas as play went on. That GM is not in the same playing field as ours. Made it a point to single out and praise Sanheim - bonus points for that.

Just because Dubas is good at talking doesn't mean he is a good GM.

 

[Audible Velvet]

Just because Dubas is good at talking doesn't mean he is a good GM.

Yes.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Over the past two years, they've added two free agents, Hathaway and Poehling.
One trade for Johnson after they traded Walker and had two other D-men on IR.
Didn't even pick up a serviceable veteran in the Provorov deal.
Drysdale has struggled but is improving, meanwhile Gauthier has 9 ES points in 33 games.

Everyone else is a draft pick or acquired before Briere (Tippett).

They have the worst goalies in the league, two guys who shouldn't be starting but Hart . . .

After a horrendous start, they are now 15th in xGF and 17th in HDCF.
By the end of the season I won't be surprised if they're in the top 10.

This is EXACTLY what rebuilding looks like.
A young team struggling but showing flashes.
But also making a lot of mistakes.
Draft picks: #12, #18, #27, #39, #43, #44

No, that's what inaction looks like. They aren't rebuilding; rebuilding teams don't marry themselves to the status quo like the Flyers do. They aren't doing any thing. Hextall all over again.


I again remind you that xGF and HDCF is a mirage in a Tortorella offense because he smashes away the playmaking that other teams use to make those chances actually properly dangerous.

 

[MJL66]

No, that's what inaction looks like. They aren't rebuilding; rebuilding teams don't marry themselves to the status quo like the Flyers do. They aren't doing any thing. Hextall all over again.


I again remind you that xGF and HDCF is a mirage in a Tortorella offense because he smashes away the playmaking that other teams use to make those chances actually properly dangerous.

Flyers are 21st in the league in HDCF/60. Have to account for score effects also. The Flyers spend so much time behind and chasing the game. With the other team sitting back that it inflates their chance generation stats. They're a poor offensive team that is badly coached offensively. Tortorella systems stifle offense and most of it comes from individual efforts rather than from a cohesive designed offensive attack strategy. Hiring Tortorella was a huge mistake from day 1.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Flyers are 21st in the league in HDCF/60. Have to account for score effects also. The Flyers spend so much time behind and chasing the game. With the other team sitting back that it inflates their chance generation stats. They're a poor offensive team that is badly coached offensively. Tortorella systems stifle offense and most of it comes from individual efforts rather than from a cohesive designed offensive attack strategy. Hiring Tortorella was a huge mistake from day 1.

Those inflated chances also aren't particularly dangerous, as on top of the singular efforts you've described, they're often limited to staying on the same half of the ice. North South movement that doesn't get goalies moving laterally. Goalies are not challenged to stay on angles or forced to open up. So while a particular event may qualify as "HD," it isn't so much that because the play that precedes it didn't do much to unsettle the defense or goalie. A shot following a lateral pass across half-ish of the ice is way more dangerous than one that came from the faceoff dot after a pass from the boards.

The Penguins looked like their prime Sullivan form last night, on that note. They won Cups on being able to identify the gaps in team coverage and then passing through them from the boards to the other side of the slot.

 

[MJL66]

Those inflated chances also aren't particularly dangerous, as on top of the singular efforts you've described, they're often limited to staying on the same half of the ice. North South movement that doesn't get goalies moving laterally. Goalies are not challenged to stay on angles or forced to open up. So while a particular event may qualify as "HD," it isn't so much that because the play that precedes it didn't do much to unsettle the defense or goalie. A shot following a lateral pass across half-ish of the ice is way more dangerous than one that came from the faceoff dot after a pass from the boards.

The Penguins looked like their prime Sullivan form last night, on that note. They won Cups on being able to identify the gaps in team coverage and then passing through them from the boards to the other side of the slot.

No doubt. Moving the puck from one side of the ice to the other, setting up scoring triangles and getting a goalie to move are cornerstones of high quality offensive play. It is absent in the Flyers play. It's pretty much a forecheck and individual play. Rather than a coordinated attack strategy. It's just ice age hockey from a coach who the modern day NHL game has long passed him by.

 

[PDX Flyer]

The Flyers now have a Goal Differential worse than Buffalo, Chicago, Anaheim, and Montreal.

Unethical non-competitive team. I heard a rumor Keith Jones was spotted eating a Karl Marx book too. There is no bottom.

We did have a presidential candidate openly quoting Marx and Mao so you may be on to something here.