Proposal: 3-way trade: Sabres-Habs-Islanders

[kerrabria]

I corrected myself: He's a PP merchant if he's slotted at Center. Because he's not a good Center. Hence why Ruff moved him to wing even though he had no good options at Center. I conceded that his EVG jump (now that he's a Wing) indicates that he can be more than a PP merchant.

And no, PP goals and production don't indicate how good of a Center you are. Because the best shooter in the league ripping shots from the left dot doesn't indicate his ability to be an effective, 200 ft player in the middle of the ice.

And I do watch and follow the Sabres. I follow all the teams in the East, but the Sabres I like to check in because I'm fascinated by cognitive dissonance of their fanbase. If you listen to Sabres fans, they have a Norris dman, an elite Top 4, an elite 1C, and multiple dynamic forwards plus a wealth of scoring depth on all four lines.

But the reason they're not good is because Pegula is X and Y and other demonstrably wrong Z. And Scooby Doo villain Kevyn Adams and every single coach they bring in is also the problem. But no, it couldn't be that their players just aren't that good.

 

[Lockin17]

Habs pull the trigger on this for sure.

 

[Satanphonehome]

I corrected myself: He's a PP merchant if he's slotted at Center. Because he's not a good Center. Hence why Ruff moved him to wing even though he had no good options at Center. I conceded that his EVG jump (now that he's a Wing) indicates that he can be more than a PP merchant.

And no, PP goals and production don't indicate how good of a Center you are. Because the best shooter in the league ripping shots from the left dot doesn't indicate his ability to be an effective, 200 ft player in the middle of the ice.

And I do watch and follow the Sabres. I follow all the teams in the East, but the Sabres I like to check in because I'm fascinated by cognitive dissonance of their fanbase. If you listen to Sabres fans, they have a Norris dman, an elite Top 4, an elite 1C, and multiple dynamic forwards plus a wealth of scoring depth on all four lines.

But the reason they're not good is because Pegula is X and Y and other demonstrably wrong Z. And Scooby Doo villain Kevyn Adams and every single coach they bring in is also the problem. But no, it couldn't be that their players just aren't that good.

You're flailing.

 

[Quatre Vingt Treize]

Hi,

I’m ready for everyone to hate it (including my team fanbase)—> Crazy 3-way trade on the premise that:

Islanders goes into a full rebuild
Habs want an impactful C + RD
Sabres wants to compete and change the culture for good


Tage Thompson
Mattias Samuelsson



16th ovr (Habs)
17th ovr (Habs)
Michael Hage/Owen Beck (to step in now if preferred)
Logan Mailloux
UPL


Ilya Sorokin
Bo Horvat
Scott Mayfield

I doubt Sabres move Thompson but that package should get Habs Horvat and Mayfield.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Buffalo goes no

 

[MoneyManny]

All 3 of Sorokin, Horvat, and Mayfeild either have a full NTC, or in Sorokin case a full NMC I doubt any off them waive to go to Buffalo

Why not? NYI is kind of a dead end team right now.

 

[shello]

I expected so much worse, I somehow don’t hate this. But, I don’t think it makes the most sense for Buffalo

 

[MOGlLNY]

You're flailing.

Dont worry after Tage is on another team he’ll be back in here telling us we were fools for ever trading him

 

[miscs75]

Yeah, this trade lowballs the Islanders beyond belief. Back to drinking Labatt in Buffalo or Montreal or wherever you’re from.

 

[seabass45]

Always suspicious about these trades where Isles unload a LOT to one team because I suspect we'd get more if we traded them separately. That's before we get into the NTC/NMC situation, which...

Why not? NYI is kind of a dead end team right now.

That doesn't mean they'll waive to go to any other team in the league and certainly not to one that hasn't shown they're in any better shape.

 

[miscs75]

As a Sabres fan, no idea what Islanders are getting; We are giving up our best forward. Horvat is solid and we get a goalie too. samuellson is a cap dump essentially.

Fancy prospects and picks aka hopes and dreams as well as a bad goalie.

 

[Djp]

Hi,

I’m ready for everyone to hate it (including my team fanbase)—> Crazy 3-way trade on the premise that:

Islanders goes into a full rebuild
Habs want an impactful C + RD
Sabres wants to compete and change the culture for good


Tage Thompson
Mattias Samuelsson



16th ovr (Habs)
17th ovr (Habs)
Michael Hage/Owen Beck (to step in now if preferred)
Logan Mailloux
UPL


Ilya Sorokin
Bo Horvat
Scott Mayfield

This deal us awful for the Sabres.

All 4 uses are 30+ on forever contracts who will gave a foot in the grave in 3 yrars.

The idea is that Buffalo receives established players.

They wouldn’t trade Thompson for unknowns.

Sure, Buffalo isn't trading Thompson for futures...but 30+ yr old anvhors?

With all due respect, this trade doesn't sense.

For Montreal:
. And he's an LHD--Sabres are the only team incompetent enough to routinely play defensemen on their offside like as if it doesn't matter.

Dahlin came up pre draft playing on right side. He plays better on right side.

For the Sabres:
This is a lateral move that doesn't actually make them better. They desperately need a forward who can drive play. Horvat can pretty much do everything except that. He'd be the true center they need for their Top 6, but he's a scorer (not as good of a scorer as Thompson), and he doesn't help his linemates produce. Sure they upgrade in net, but Sorokin won't receive Vezina votes playing behind that lineup.

Its worse than lateral. Those are forever contracts.

This was the first season where he didn't score at outsized proportion of his goals on the PP, and I'm sure it had something to do with his extended time at Wing and marked increase in shooting percentage.

Based on my eye test, I disagree. And Ruff must disagree too because he was moved to Wing, and he stayed here even after Norris went down, event though Buffalo didn't have a single proven Top 6 center.

False

Over thr last 4 yrs since his emergence, he's been around 16 PP points per in 3 of the 4 seasons. 22/23 when Buffalo had a top quartilr PP he had 34 PP pts. The other yrs Buffalo has been bottom quartile.

You cut him down to the 16 avg He'd still he a PPG player. 23/24 he was playing with an injury dropping his production some

He is not a PP specialist

He also has played center. This year he played more Wing with them calling up Kulich and using him at center then acquiring Norris for cozens, and last summer acquiring McLeod

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Why not? NYI is kind of a dead end team right now.

Because Buffalo has been out of the playoffs for 14 straight years and with Adams running the ship I don't really see it changing.

I don'tthink Adams has the credibility to turn it around

 

[MoneyManny]

Always suspicious about these trades where Isles unload a LOT to one team because I suspect we'd get more if we traded them separately. That's before we get into the NTC/NMC situation, which...

That doesn't mean they'll waive to go to any other team in the league and certainly not to one that hasn't shown they're in any better shape.

I mean i don't disagree, but at the same time if i'm in their shoes Buffalo is probably one of the teams i wouldn't mind waiving for. Close proximity and (maybe) a future without rebuilding.

 

[seabass45]

I mean i don't disagree, but at the same time if i'm in their shoes Buffalo is probably one of the teams i wouldn't mind waiving for. Close proximity and (maybe) a future without rebuilding.

The Athletic did a survey asking what the first team would be on a player's NTC list and Buffalo came in second.

 

[Fatass]

Sabres have three top four left shot D. Dahlin is a proven top pairing. Power and Byram have the ceilings of top pairing guys.
Trade one of the two younger guys to get help elsewhere. Don’t trade top forwards.

 

[Djp]

I corrected myself: He's a PP merchant if he's slotted at Center. Because he's not a good Center. Hence why Ruff moved him to wing even though he had no good options at Center. I conceded that his EVG jump (now that he's a Wing) indicates that he can be more than a PP merchant.

Buffalo acquired last summer McLeod
They called up Kulich at center and see h I e get does
They had Krebs as bottom 6
They also called kozak as a 4c

And no, PP goals and production don't indicate how good of a Center you are. Because the best shooter in the league ripping shots from the left dot doesn't indicate his ability to be an effective, 200 ft player in the middle of the ice.

They put him at center because of his size and ability to move around to create scoring.

And I do watch and follow the Sabres. I follow all the teams in the East, but the Sabres I like to check in because I'm fascinated by cognitive dissonance of their fanbase. If you listen to Sabres fans, they have a Norris dman, an elite Top 4, an elite 1C, and multiple dynamic forwards plus a wealth of scoring depth on all four lines.

Name a 1C who is elite defensively?

Last time i checked, ever Hab us worth a 1st+

But the reason they're not good is because Pegula is X and Y and other demonstrably wrong Z. And Scooby Doo villain Kevyn Adams and every single coach they bring in is also the problem. But no, it couldn't be that their players just aren't that good.

They are the youngest team

 

[Satanphonehome]

The Athletic did a survey asking what the first team would be on a player's NTC list and Buffalo came in second.

Sabres can't even win this.

 

[miscs75]

Last time i checked, ever Hab us worth a 1st+

That’s because there’s tariffs for wearing the bleu, blanc et rouge.

 

[TageGod]

In the spirit of craziness:

Sabres in: Sorokin, Dobson, Barzal

Islanders:

UPL, Power, Kulich, 1st, 1st

Don't shoot me on total value here. Islanders rebuild with a younger G, younger D, younger C + assets.

Sabres upgrade all 3 positions. 2025 first is high pick, 2026 is "anticipated" significantly lower. If Sabres win the lottery it will be 26/27 picks.

 

[miscs75]

In the spirit of craziness:

Sabres in: Sorokin, Dobson, Barzal

Islanders:

UPL, Power, Kulich, 1st, 1st

Don't shoot me on total value here. Islanders rebuild with a younger G, younger D, younger C + assets.

Sabres upgrade all 3 positions. 2025 first is high pick, 2026 is "anticipated" significantly lower. If Sabres win the lottery it will be 26/27 picks.

Isles pass.

 

[Lockin17]

Isles pass.

Really ??? no way

 

[TageGod]

Isles pass.

Why? just curious.

 

[miscs75]

Really ??? no way

If that 2026 1st was a lock to be the #1 then it’s interesting but that trade solves massive issues for the Sabres while forcing the Isles into a rebuild and no real short term help to make them competitive in the next 5 years. This would make the rebuild a 7 year adventure and not end until the Horvat deal expires. Not smart. Ideally it would give the Isles a better slot this year and a late 1st when they should be after the top pick that season (and 2027).

 

[cwede]

Mailloux off ice past, he’s probably not going anywhere, especially to US team,
unless Habs offer significant incentives

yes he has talent and seems to have had a decent AHL season
but his cruel stupid actions will follow him everywhere