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By chance, I saw the following clip today from April 4th 1988 (the clip incorrectly says '1987'), game 3 of the Edmonton - Winnipeg playoff series:

Mark Messier scores a short-handed goal after Randy Carlyle falls on his ass (ties the game at 3-3, but the Jets would go on to win -- their first playoff win over Edmonton in 13 tries). What's interesting about the goal is that the Oil were 2-men shorthanded at the time, with both Grant Fuhr and Dave Hannan penalized at the time. I watched this game when I was 12, but I didn't remember this detail.

So, any other examples of NHL goals where the scoring team was down 3-men-against-5?
 
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My mind immediately went to Brett Hull doing this in the mid 1990s against Detroit. I can remember it being a breakaway. I looked it up, and yes it did happen. April of 1995. Below is an unofficial list of the players that did this. Phil Housley did this. Why on earth Housley was on the penalty kill on a 5-on-3 is anybody's guess but it happened. For whatever reason this barely happened prior to the 2000s. I have no idea why this would be. Darryl Sittler is the first one, at least on this list, to ever have done it in 1980.

 
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Most of those (above) kind of make sense, but yeah, odd that Housley would be killing a 5 on 3. Mario Lemieux seems odd, too, but I guess if the Pens were down by a goal jate, you may as well roll the dice.
 


Thought of this one in Game 2 Devils/Panthers in 2000. Madden catches Robert Svehla flat footed and Scott Niedermayer joined the rush to score on the rebound.
 
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I remember Edmonton native Eric Johansson scoring a 3-on-5 goal while he played in Sweden years ago, but I never saw this goal with my eyes, just heard it referenced I think on the radio. I think when he played with Leksand. It came across very dramatic through the airwaves.
 
Am I misremembering, or did Daniel Alfreddsson have a major one of these in the playoffs?

I have a vague memory of Brett Hull doing it with the Wings too.
 
DFC said:
Am I misremembering, or did Daniel Alfreddsson have a major one of these in the playoffs?

I have a vague memory of Brett Hull doing it with the Wings too.
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Hull definitely didn’t do it as a Wing so I’m guessing you’re remembering a different/similarly rare feat in this game where the Wings scored 2 SHG on the same opposing PP and Hull got the 2nd.

 
Can’t find a clip but I’m almost sure Joel Otto had one against Edmonton in 87 or 88. Fuhr came way out of the net like to the blue line and misplayed the puck. I think Otto scored on a wrap a round of sorts as Fuhr dove to get back in net.
 
- Phil Housley got one. Cool! Wait.... Why was Housley killing a 5-on-3?
- nice to see Terry Carkner backhanding one top shelf from in close.
- the guy Modano burned was Brad ference. Yes, the guy with 34 career points in 250 NHL games. You've got a 5-on-3 and that's who you choose to put out there to capitalize?? But go take a look at their 01-02 lineup (I assume this is from that season because he had 8 power play assist that year). If Ozolinsh and Hedican weren't playing, Ference was probably the next best guy they could even put out there next to Svehla. Good God, what a roster. Nobody had 20 even strength goals or 20 even strength assists on that team. Their best power play defenseman was actually 25-year-old Dan Boyle, but I guess no one really realized that at the time.
- there's the one I remember Richards scoring on Toronto. He's got 3 in this video, actually.
- Richard park has 2 as well.
- this happens against the leafs way too often.
 
seventieslord said:
- Phil Housley got one. Cool! Wait.... Why was Housley killing a 5-on-3?
- nice to see Terry Carkner backhanding one top shelf from in close.
- the guy Modano burned was Brad ference. Yes, the guy with 34 career points in 250 NHL games. You've got a 5-on-3 and that's who you choose to put out there to capitalize?? But go take a look at their 01-02 lineup (I assume this is from that season because he had 8 power play assist that year). If Ozolinsh and Hedican weren't playing, Ference was probably the next best guy they could even put out there next to Svehla. Good God, what a roster. Nobody had 20 even strength goals or 20 even strength assists on that team. Their best power play defenseman was actually 25-year-old Dan Boyle, but I guess no one really realized that at the time.
- there's the one I remember Richards scoring on Toronto. He's got 3 in this video, actually.
- Richard park has 2 as well.
- this happens against the leafs way too often.
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The only Modano SHG against Florida during Ference's time there that I can find happened on January 9, 2002, but the only penalty preceding Modano's goal is Nieuwendyk for holding the stick. Curious to know what's missing there. For the record, Hedican's in the game but Ozolinsh isn't. I think if one is being fair, regarding Ference as an offensive nonentity is something that requires some hindsight - giving a 22-year old 10OA pick in his first season power play time over a guy who skated beautifully but never really had great production at any point, isn't weird at all.

I was wondering if Buffalo was using a 3-defenseman PK there, especially since Housley is a mile high on that play, but #9 would be Scott Arniel so they aren't.
 
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around 5 second it seem like there is 4 Hawks.

4th guy take a while to appear for the celebration but we see a glove before the camera cut.
 
MadLuke said:
around 5 second it seem like there is 4 Hawks.

4th guy take a while to appear for the celebration but we see a glove before the camera cut.
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You're right. This is the game. Savard unassisted.

www.hockey-reference.com

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The video says it's 1988 plus it's the only SHG he ever scored against the Oilers.

Boxscore confirms just one player was in the box (Manson).
 
Just going off of memory here but I think niedermayer may have done this against the Habs in early 2000s.
 
seventieslord said:
You're right. This is the game. Savard unassisted.

www.hockey-reference.com

Edmonton Oilers vs. Chicago Blackhawks Box Score: February 24, 1988 | Hockey-Reference.com

Get the latest box score updates on the Edmonton Oilers vs. Chicago Blackhawks game played on February 24, 1988 on Hockey-Reference.com
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The video says it's 1988 plus it's the only SHG he ever scored against the Oilers.

Boxscore confirms just one player was in the box (Manson).
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People talk about the 80s being free wheeling, and it was, but take a look at the whack on savard' hands delivered by Anderson at the beginning of the play. That's been an automatic penalty in the league for a long time but it was fair game in the 80s, 90s and well beyond.
 
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JianYang said:
People talk about the 80s being free wheeling, and it was, but take a look at the whack on savard' hands delivered by Anderson at the beginning of the play. That's been an automatic penalty in the league for a long time but it was fair game in the 80s, 90s and well beyond.
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Yes.

The amount of legally allowed (or "pretended not to have seen" by the sole referee) interference, stickwork, "can-opener"-ing, and brutal physical violence back then would be unbelievable to today's younger viewers.

People today are always complaining about the refereeing. The two-system refereeing today is about 10,000 times better and more professional than it was in the 70s / 80s / 90s. When I was kid, in the late-80s, it usually seemed that the one ref would just arbitrarily make calls, not so much to police the game as to try to stay "even" between the two coaches / benches (which would endlessly berate him with 4-letter words and chirps at a level that would never be tolerated today).

The exception to this was Kerry Fraser, who seemed to arbitrarily pick a fight with one coach or the other almost every game. Having decided which coach he disliked that night, Fraser would then call about 9 penalties in a row against one team.
 
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